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2 minutes ago, nico002 said:

I think 90% of us are happy. 

I know that I definitely am. But all I'm hearing from the media and many of the posters is how they're so unhappy with they are so unhappy with the HC and how dare the front office get involved in the decision-making on the coaching staff. I don't understand what everybody's crying about they're trying to sign Solutions and they've offered us an offensive specialist and a defensive specialist and what was one of last year's best special teams.

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12 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

I for one was all in on Gase and Williams from the get-go and never wanted McCarthy.

Huh?  How is this possible?  Gase was barely mentioned until later in the process, and Williams wasn't really mentioned at all until after Gase was hired.  So you were a Gase/Williams guys from the very start of the offseason?

It's cool if you liked the end result, but don't pretend retroactively that you had been ahead of the curve on who the new Jet coaches should be. 

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12 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

I just don't get it SMH! Didn't we just hear for the last four years, how Todd Bowles crappy friend Kacy Rogers completely sucked as a DC? Didn't our offensive coordinators get fired three out of the last four seasons? I don't understand the criticism and lambasting of the owner and GM, trying make sure we are not in that situation this time around? Apparently they were ready to fire Todd Bowles during the bye week but there was nobody on the coaching staff capable of being an interim head coach correct? So why wouldn't they dot Their I's and cross their T's? I don't know if it's the media or the fans or whatever but it seems like everyone just wants to find something to critique and complain about. I for one was all in on Gase and Williams from the get-go and never wanted McCarthy. This team is going to kick major ass imo..

Hired a Miami Dolphin castoff - with a losing record...and is consistently called an offensive genius yet hasn't produced an offense outside of the bottom 3rd of the league.

I think the hope for many fans would be to hire someone that has delivered even a modicum of success.

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I feel like it went like this:

Day 1 of the Hire: 90% upset, 10% happy

Day 2: 75% upset, 25% happy

Day 3: 50% upset, 50% happy

And so forth. 

But as is true in life in general; the detractors and complainers are MUCH louder and more cynical than most of the folks who are okay with giving the hire a chance.

I also think there's a small population here (and everywhere to be fair) that wants things to fail so that they can be right about this hiring being a wrong. And they can say "See, I told you so in those 30,000 posts I made."

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My guy was jim Schwartz who I knew we weren't going to hire but I think he will be a great head coach somewhere in the next couple of years. Gase was pretty much the one coach I did not want us to hire simply because I thought every single other potential coach we brought in had more to offer. I am not unhappy with the hire and am still a fan of the team. (it is okay to not get your way every now and then but still support the team) I hope that I am proven wrong. For the record last time around the guy I really wanted was Bowles so it is not like I am a guru at selecting coaches.

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It’s really not that complicated. Gregg Williams is a better coach than Kacy Rodgers and though his rankings are varied, he basically knows what he is doing and at least he has a competent vision for what he wants the defense to do. 

Regardless of who you wanted more as head coach, Gase will do a better job in all likelihood than Bates/Bowles could do. 

So on the face they upgraded. 

Here are the issues that most people have problems with including myself. Jamming a staff on a head coach creates the potential for a lot of trust issues and problems. It isn’t guaranteed to happen, but you are creating a source of friction and delegating responsibilities on people that the head coach didn’t personally pick themselves. While the fans see this interaction one day a week, the coaches spend quite a bit of time together and mistrust or miscommunication can create a lot of conflict. 

The organizational chart puts the honus of decisionmaking on the owners, who are quite clearly out of their element. They have double downed essentially and decided hey, though Bowles and Mac had clear friction, let’s basically do the same thing to the new head coach and his staff. 

Meanwhile Gase says he’s fine with it, but for a dude who seems really high strung, i bet he’d make a lot of concessions to make sure he can head coach again right away even if he doesn’t love the arrangement. 

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5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Huh?  How is this possible?  Gase was barely mentioned until later in the process, and Williams wasn't really mentioned at all until after Gase was hired.  So you were a Gase/Williams guys from the very start of the offseason?

It's cool if you liked the end result, but don't pretend retroactively that you had been ahead of the curve on who the new Jet coaches should be. 

Hey sorry man I wish I knew how to look up my older posts but I definitely am telling you the truth. The minute gaze was fired and the minute they said Williams probably wouldn't be retained as the HC of the Browns I wanted both of those guys. In fact in one of the McCarthy threads I said I wanted Gase or Monken, and Greg Williams as the DC. Fact

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3 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

Hey sorry man I wish I knew how to look up my older posts but I definitely am telling you the truth. The minute gaze was fired and the minute they said Williams probably wouldn't be retained as the HC of the Browns I wanted both of those guys. In fact in one of the McCarthy threads I said I wanted Gase or Monken, and Greg Williams as the DC. Fact 

I'll believe you.  Kudos.

Just don't expect everyone to put on the green goggles.  10-34 the last 3 years does that to you.  Especially when the process by which we reached the end result of Gase/Williams as a duo was messy, to put it lightly.

The best you can say is we made the correct hires but the means by which we landed there were flawed. 

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19 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

I know that I definitely am. But all I'm hearing from the media and many of the posters is how they're so unhappy with they are so unhappy with the HC and how dare the front office get involved in the decision-making on the coaching staff. I don't understand what everybody's crying about they're trying to sign Solutions and they've offered us an offensive specialist and a defensive specialist and what was one of last year's best special teams.

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8 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

It's not so much the hiring of Williams as it is the insistence that whomever they hired as HC had to agree to him as well. Pretty crappy way to do business. Hiring Williams is fine, but the entire process through which hiring both Gase and Williams happened really showed how inept the Johnson brothers, Macaggnan, and the entire franchise is. Hiring a coordinator before hiring the head coach is ******* dumb. And not giving the head coach of a NFL team the right to pick and choose his staff is indefensible.

Reality is we can blame GM's, HC's, or whatever for the demise of this franchise for the past decade, but the incompetence begins at the top and it doesn't look like much changed this offseason based on the way things went down. This franchise has never done anything to inspire confidence from its fans so I'm not sure what they did this time around that's supposed to change that.

Point taken. However if they came to an agreement with Adam Gase, and he is in agreeance which he said he was on the radio interview with Francesa, that he would focus solely on offense and Sam I'm getting a very experienced former head coach to be the DC then what is all the complaining about? And if Williams was actually Adams choice would we be complaining? I'm pretty freaking psyched about having these three coordinators running our team man!

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22 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Hired a Miami Dolphin castoff - with a losing record...and is consistently called an offensive genius yet hasn't produced an offense outside of the bottom 3rd of the league.

I think the hope for many fans would be to hire someone that has delivered even a modicum of success.

Come on dude not even a modicum of success? Have you looked up his history in any way? What is a quarterback coach? An offensive coordinator? Tim Tebow in the playoffs? Peyton Manning in the playoffs? The best quarterback stats in a season ever with Manning in Denver? Jay Cutler's best season as a professional ever with the Bears? How can you possibly say he hasn't been successful? He beat the Jets five out of six times didn't he? Oh yeah and he had Miami in the playoffs his first year

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6 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

Point taken. However if they came to an agreement with Adam Gase, and he is in agreeance which he said he was on the radio interview with Francesa, that he would focus solely on offense and Sam I'm getting a very experienced former head coach to be the DC then what is all the complaining about? And if Williams was actually Adams choice would we be complaining? I'm pretty freaking psyched about having these three coordinators running our team man!

The problem is you're giving the Johnsons and their front office the benefit of the doubt and they have not done anything since buying the franchise to deserve such leeway. There's far more reason to believe this situation is going to end poorly because, well, every situation has ended poorly so far, and this one is off to a pretty terrible start.

Reality is the Jets are run by the football version of James Dolan, but Woody or Wold don't play a kazoo on national television so they doesn't come off as blatant.

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7 minutes ago, TeddEY said:

The team has 14 wins in 3 years, and you ask "what would make me happy?"

How about not retaining the GM, who may suddenly get better, but was the architect of those past 3 losing seasons and has a documented history of failure in acquiring players?

How about not hiring a coach who seems clearly to have been our 3rd choice, who was fired by our rival, and who has a history of failure to this point?

How about not continuing this absurd organizational structure where everyone is on the level and reports to the owner?

How about not hiring your coordinators first, and dictating your HC hire by who's willing to be okay with that?

The only way to be happy about this, in my estimation, is if you believe it was all Bowles' fault - which, many do, but that's dumb.  And, if you don't believe it's dumb, then you probably should hope we can get Ardarius Stewart and Chad Hansen back, so that Gase can "coach 'em up."

So, what will make me happy?  If it works.  Right now, I'm just indifferent.  But, if all of these dumb things the Jets have done, somehow combine to not just be more failure - and they start winning, I will be happy.  But, I'm not jumping on board before.  Nope.

What boggles my mind is many cheering this hire have said the Johnsons are inept and Macc is bad at his job. But somehow they just nailed the head coaching hire. Like, what?

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1 minute ago, CrazyCarl40 said:

What boggles my mind is many cheering this hire have said the Johnsons are inept and Macc is bad at his job. But somehow they just nailed the head coaching hire. Like, what?

Jets fans always score perfect 10's in mental gymnastics.

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33 minutes ago, Greenbloodblitz said:

I just don't get it SMH! Didn't we just hear for the last four years, how Todd Bowles crappy friend Kacy Rogers completely sucked as a DC? Didn't our offensive coordinators get fired three out of the last four seasons? I don't understand the criticism and lambasting of the owner and GM, trying make sure we are not in that situation this time around? Apparently they were ready to fire Todd Bowles during the bye week but there was nobody on the coaching staff capable of being an interim head coach correct? So why wouldn't they dot Their I's and cross their T's? I don't know if it's the media or the fans or whatever but it seems like everyone just wants to find something to critique and complain about. I for one was all in on Gase and Williams from the get-go and never wanted McCarthy. This team is going to kick major ass imo..

Stop reading at the end of the bold letters.  For instance, all Jets fan should be critical of both of those two clowns.   Macc more than anybody for building a college teams level and in the process missing on about everybody in the draft when he is not overpaying for scrubs.  He is almost at the Matt Millen level, if not there.  The other douchebag whose Football IQ is probably around 1, not only retained Macc but also gave him a vote of confidence with praise and everything.  I love Darnolds but wouldn't you have taken Mahomes instead and get all those 3 second round back that we surrendered cause this clown though Hackenberg was the real deal.   Macc got his fall guy probably bought himself another 4 years with this orchestrated move.  We the fans paid dearly getting a second tier coach instead of the real deal.  

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