mattyb143224 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Key Points: Transition to 4-3 Defense [Re-invest into DT, DE, OLB] Address Pass Rusher [FA & Draft] Address Trenches [Offensive Line Specifically] Get Weapons for Samy D [FA & Draft] Resign / Extend: WR / KR - Andre Roberts CB - Morris Claiborne OLB - Brandon Copeland WR - Robby Anderson Cut: OT - Kelvin Beachum [$8.0M Free Cap Space Post June 1] RB - Isaiah Crowell [$4.0M Free Cap Space Post June 1] Free Agency: RB - Le'Veon Bell WR - John Brown C - Matt Paradis DE - Trey Flowers DT - Gerald McCoy [Cap Casualty Cut by Tampa] Draft: Trade 1st Round 3rd Overall Pick to Jags [Jags Take QB at 3] Jets Receive Jags 1st Round 7th Overall Pick, 2nd Round Pick, 3rd Round Pick, and 2020 2nd Round Pick 1. OT Jonah Williams 2. OLB Montez Sweat 3. DE Jaylen Ferguson 3. OG Daryl Williams 3. WR Riley Ridley 4. CB Iman Marshall 5. DT Ed Alexander 6. WR Emanuel Hall 7. DT Daylon Mack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I like the intent ... but no way do the Jets cut their starting OT and rely on drafting his immediate replacement. One, it relies on him being there at #7, and two, it relies on him being good enough to start at LT straight away. Not Mike's MO at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 minute ago, jamesr said: I like the intent ... but no way do the Jets cut their starting OT and rely on drafting his immediate replacement. One, it relies on him being there at #7, and two, it relies on him being good enough to start at LT straight away. Not Mike's MO at all. Also as much as we like to cast aside Beachum, dude is a solid LT. You don't just cut those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I’m not a fan of trading back if Allen is there at 3. He will be a much biggest asset then getting a 2nd rounder. How many of our 2nd round picks have been huge busts? Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, kevinc855 said: I’m not a fan of trading back if Allen is there at 3. He will be a much biggest asset then getting a 2nd rounder. How many of our 2nd round picks have been huge busts? Exactly How many of the first round picks of been bust? Trading down is the best thing by far no matter who is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 30 minutes ago, ElBarrioJets said: Also as much as we like to cast aside Beachum, dude is a solid LT. You don't just cut those guys. Especially with one of the worst OLs in nfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc855 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, New York Mick said: How many of the first round picks of been bust? Trading down is the best thing by far no matter who is there. Don’t know how you say that without knowing who’s Gona be there at 3. A top 3 pick is a blue chip piece on your team usually. Sliding out top 5 you are gambling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 37 minutes ago, jamesr said: I like the intent ... but no way do the Jets cut their starting OT and rely on drafting his immediate replacement. One, it relies on him being there at #7, and two, it relies on him being good enough to start at LT straight away. Not Mike's MO at all. Yup. I agree with this. Let Beachum play out his contract. We have Brandon Shell coming back from a major injury - so we might need Jonah at RT with Beachum at LT. If Shell is healthy next season, by most account Williams can play inside as well, so if we cut anyone, I would rather it be Spencer Long who can be cut with no cap hit. Then you give Jonah a season playing inside and he can transition to LT in year 2 after Beachum's contract is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, New York Mick said: How many of the first round picks of been bust? Trading down is the best thing by far no matter who is there. Staying put at 3 trading down it doesn't matter we need a HR pick all these wasted busts draft picks have put this team where it is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, ElBarrioJets said: Also as much as we like to cast aside Beachum, dude is a solid LT. You don't just cut those guys. beachum has been pretty steady and at least puts out the effort. i don't think i'd be too quick in launching him until an upgrade is found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 44 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Staying put at 3 trading down it doesn't matter we need a HR pick all these wasted busts draft picks have put this team where it is today. it's so true. mac really needs to draft guys who can step in. i can't say he'll be able to find all pros in the third round and lower but the #3 pick needs to be impactful and the the3rd rounders need to be able to get on the field. after that it's fill ins. and if he can get good value for trading down, it might be a good option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, kevinc855 said: Don’t know how you say that without knowing who’s Gona be there at 3. A top 3 pick is a blue chip piece on your team usually. Sliding out top 5 you are gambling Top players drafted since 2000 5-10. There was a few more that could be added but injuries (effected or affected??) impacted their careers too much. B Chubb Q Nelson M McGlinchey M Williams C McCaffrey P Mahomes J Ramsey R Stanley T Gurley B Scherff K Mack O Beckham (12) A Donald (13) J Matthews M Evans E Ebron E Ansah L Kuechly P Peterson J Jones T Smith JJ Watt (11) R McClain I would take any of those guys plus 2 2nd round picks plus. If the Jets can pick up a 2nd this year plus a 2nd next year they have ammo in 2020 to trade up if there’s a player they really want or stay put and pick up 2 solid prospects in the 2nd round. Trading down this year is the best move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 I like this, but not sold on Williams. Just like mine, we are doing this all WAY early. I don't think there is ANY chance Paradis is available, which is why I went with a guy like FInney. I hear NY Mick, moving down and taking picks, but Allen could be too hard to pass up. I have been thinking about my Mock, and I am starting to think I would rather stay there and take Allen than move down and take Gary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Re Beachum - Maccagnan should go after Brown in FA if available and if he lands him either cut Beachum or flip him to RT or guard. Beachum is only signed for next year so LT is a clear long-term need - time to put together a long-term line rather than band-aids constantly. I think the more likely Maccagnan move will be hanging onto Beachum and trying to develop a day 2 tackle this year. Beachum's contract is nice but the priority should be building around Darnold and the best and most important place to do that in FA this offseason is the offensive line. Drafting and developing offensive linemen has become harder over the years with the change in college schemes and the Jets have shown little to no propensity for doing it effectively. Bring in established pros with that hoard of cap space. Obviously there are other huge pieces to their success but bringing in Whitworth and Sullivan in 2017 to play LT and C respectively was huge for the Rams - they have a quality OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, ElBarrioJets said: Also as much as we like to cast aside Beachum, dude is a solid LT. You don't just cut those guys. 1 hour ago, rangerous said: beachum has been pretty steady and at least puts out the effort. i don't think i'd be too quick in launching him until an upgrade is found. also they probably would have to pay him half his remaining contract, eat a bunch of dead cap if they cut or trade beachum at any point this season https://overthecap.com/player/kelvin-beachum/1614/ funny item from that page if Beachum made the pro bowl either 2017 or 2018 he could have voided his contract. LOL if you ever want to know what the Jets are going to do in any given situation, pick the cheapest option and you'll probably be correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, bitonti said: also they probably would have to pay him half his remaining contract, eat a bunch of dead cap if they cut or trade beachum at any point this season https://overthecap.com/player/kelvin-beachum/1614/ funny item from that page if Beachum made the pro bowl either 2017 or 2018 he could have voided his contract. LOL if you ever want to know what the Jets are going to do in any given situation, pick the cheapest option and you'll probably be correct we can only hope they finally figured out you get what you pay for. i'm thinking that hiring gase and williams will make the jets a pretty attractive place for free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: I like this, but not sold on Williams. Just like mine, we are doing this all WAY early. I don't think there is ANY chance Paradis is available, which is why I went with a guy like FInney. I hear NY Mick, moving down and taking picks, but Allen could be too hard to pass up. I have been thinking about my Mock, and I am starting to think I would rather stay there and take Allen than move down and take Gary. I’d rather take 10 guys over Allen. The more stuff I watch and focus on him the less I want him. His stats are inflated by making plays against sh*tty opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 56 minutes ago, New York Mick said: I’d rather take 10 guys over Allen. The more stuff I watch and focus on him the less I want him. His stats are inflated by making plays against sh*tty opponents. Fair enough Mick. As quickly as I say stay and draft Allen, I can be easily persuaded in trading down. I don't think we will get a boatload of picks, but recouping the second, possibly an extra pick this year, and then future ones? That is hard to pass up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, derp said: Re Beachum - Maccagnan should go after Brown in FA if available and if he lands him either cut Beachum or flip him to RT or guard. Beachum is only signed for next year so LT is a clear long-term need - time to put together a long-term line rather than band-aids constantly. I think the more likely Maccagnan move will be hanging onto Beachum and trying to develop a day 2 tackle this year. Beachum's contract is nice but the priority should be building around Darnold and the best and most important place to do that in FA this offseason is the offensive line. Drafting and developing offensive linemen has become harder over the years with the change in college schemes and the Jets have shown little to no propensity for doing it effectively. Bring in established pros with that hoard of cap space. Obviously there are other huge pieces to their success but bringing in Whitworth and Sullivan in 2017 to play LT and C respectively was huge for the Rams - they have a quality OL. When I did this Mock, it was under the assumption that Brown gets resigned. Brady is 42 next year. I THINK he might want a 6'8" 355 pound guy protecting his blindside. That said, they do have a lot of Free Agents, including Gronk, to pay. This is probably why I should have waited another 6 weeks to do this as we might have a better idea on what will happen with some of this stuff! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 Trading back is probably not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: Fair enough Mick. As quickly as I say stay and draft Allen, I can be easily persuaded in trading down. I don't think we will get a boatload of picks, but recouping the second, possibly an extra pick this year, and then future ones? That is hard to pass up. Going by the chart they wouldn’t get a 2nd next year I don’t think. Jets 3rd - 2200 Jax 7th - 1500, 38 - 520 then a 3rd next year. Not sure how that would work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, CanadaSteve said: When I did this Mock, it was under the assumption that Brown gets resigned. Brady is 42 next year. I THINK he might want a 6'8" 355 pound guy protecting his blindside. That said, they do have a lot of Free Agents, including Gronk, to pay. This is probably why I should have waited another 6 weeks to do this as we might have a better idea on what will happen with some of this stuff! Totally agree - that's why I said if available. I think Plan A is Brown if he shakes free (the other variable for the Pats is Trey Flowers had a tremendous year and is also a FA), and then B would be hanging onto Beachum and drafting somebody. I don't think they'd cut him before the draft - makes the LT need too obvious and frankly he's on a decent contract for his position and might attract some mid-late round pick trade market attention come August if a contending team has an injury on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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