Philc1 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: More than the offsides, my problem with Dee Ford Sunday was that, like most of the Chiefs, he seemed like a no show on running plays. And Ford has been a no show on running plays all year the chiefs run defense was ranked 27th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Maybe there’s a reason he was a backup? Futile to continue this. Believe what you will. Facts don’t matter. Time to move on. You can have the last word if you want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, MaxAF said: I’m all in for drafting Allen at #3 I think the hype machine helps Haskins move up to 2 so we can draft either Allen, or by some miracle, Bosa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 42 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: A guy who helps on passing downs only is a Maybin or Luvu replacement IMO. I want a starter that can pressure. Ford seems like a guy that can pressure on any passing down. I'm just saying if he's a bit of a liability on run plays, I can accept that. We've avoided grabbing a true EDGE rusher since Gholston burned us over a decade ago. "How's that going for ya?" is applicable here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Jet Nut said: A big part of it is they're signed by teams who are desperate, like the Giants. Solder was horrible his last couple of seasons and the Giants threw all that money at him and then stick him on an OL that was horrible with or without him. BB is great at getting rid of these players at the right time, he knows when theyre done. I think thats a big part of it, know it applies to Solder and Mankins. And I do think with the reputation the Pats have that they do get the benefit of the doubt too often Not to meantion Solder actually played much better as the season went along he only sucked the first four-five games it happens after free agents get big contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Philc1 said: I think the hype machine helps Haskins move up to 2 so we can draft either Allen, or by some miracle, Bosa A win-win situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I learned that Dee Ford is not a force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJETS Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Imagine playing the Pats OL twice a year instead of one every three years, then guarantee his number will definitely drop by a good margin. I remember on one occasion watching a Pats linemen dragging him like a rag doll on a running play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammagen Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 11:11 PM, Philc1 said: This is true. Ask anyone who has played OL in college or nfl. I knew a guy who played D1 at Mississippi State said they hold every play it’s just what gets caught not caught, please use the word called because i have seen refs look directly at the holding and not call it they were caught but not called Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 13 hours ago, DRJETS said: Imagine playing the Pats OL twice a year instead of one every three years, then guarantee his number will definitely drop by a good margin. I remember on one occasion watching a Pats linemen dragging him like a rag doll on a running play. Nothing like a sample size of one play to pass judgment on the kid's entire career to date and into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFerg726 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I learned in this game that I want Tre Flowers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 3 hours ago, jgb said: Nothing like a sample size of one play to pass judgment on the kid's entire career to date and into the future. Same poster who criticizes me for pointing out Ford has had 4 or less sacks in 3 out of 5 seasons as a pro Talk about a small sample Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 23 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Ford seems like a guy that can pressure on any passing down. I'm just saying if he's a bit of a liability on run plays, I can accept that. We've avoided grabbing a true EDGE rusher since Gholston burned us over a decade ago. "How's that going for ya?" is applicable here. Jets fans apply a completely different standard to non-Jets players than to their own. Their capacity to justify atrocious underperformance of guys wearing the laundry would make a contortionist envious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJETS Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 hours ago, jgb said: Nothing like a sample size of one play to pass judgment on the kid's entire career to date and into the future. Sample size how about the whole game. He was total invisible being man handle by a super Pats OL on the biggest stage. Granted it is just a game and I don’t see him often but the impression I got is that he is a just a pretender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 On 1/21/2019 at 10:45 AM, jack48 said: they are taught the proper way to hold. The proper way to hold in the NFL so no flag is thrown. Step 1) Put on a Patriots uniform Step 2) Hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 51 minutes ago, DRJETS said: Sample size how about the whole game. He was total invisible being man handle by a super Pats OL on the biggest stage. Granted it is just a game and I don’t see him often but the impression I got is that he is a just a pretender. He bombed in the biggest game he played in. That's bad. (ahem: Curtis Martin). But--you need players who can perform at an elite level during the season (13 sacks qualifies) to even get to the big games. I'm not saying he's Lawrence Taylor 2.0 but he'd be the most accomplished pass rusher this team has had since Abraham. Worth a look? Very difficult to agree with anyone who'd vote "hard pass." I pray next off season we are dissecting which Jets underperformed in the the AFC Champ game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRJETS Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, jgb said: He bombed in the biggest game he played in. That's bad. (ahem: Curtis Martin). But--you need players who can perform at an elite level during the season (13 sacks qualifies) to even get to the big games. I'm not saying he's Lawrence Taylor 2.0 but he'd be the most accomplished pass rusher this team has had since Abraham. Worth a look? Very difficult to agree with anyone who'd vote "hard pass." I pray next off season we are dissecting which Jets underperformed in the the AFC Champ game. Fair enough, I got your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, DRJETS said: Fair enough, I got your point. Well that was surprisingly cordial. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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