Patriot Killa Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenOfTroy Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Much too early for this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 The way Gaints fans talk, they'd take Barkley all day errday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 imagine the browns with barkley and mayfield. and the jets probably would have had rosen. but no, the giants messed that all up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 So, whomever did this, said the Jets got to watch all of 2018 and with Darnold gone, still took Allen? Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, TeddEY said: So, whomever did this, said the Jets got to watch all of 2018 and with Darnold gone, still took Allen? Come on. They obviously think Allen did better than Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 After watching the season I’d take Barkley or Nelson. Zero chance it’s Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: They obviously think Allen did better than Rosen. Yes, but with the power of hindsight, you take Barkley there. It's unfortunate, but you don't pass of a generational runner for a poor QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Yeah, the pick would be Barkley. People are weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 It really would be fascinating to see what the Giants would do if they could pick again after seeing everyone play a year. I think they'd probably stay with the sure thing in Barkley. I'm not trying to troll here, I'm just not as convinced that Darnold is guaranteed to be the super star most of you are convinced he will be, and I am convinced about Barkley. I also think the Browns are satisfied with the rookie trio of Mayfield QB, Ward CB(probable DROY) and Chubb RB over Mayfield/Barkley, although I have to be honest, if I were them, last year I'd have picked Barkley at 1, then taken whichever QB was left at 4 among Darnold, Allen and Rosen. That would've left Mayfield for the Jets, and left me all warm and fuzzy, LOL. Guess that's why I was never hired as a GM. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Macaggnan taking Allen after the absolute dogsh*t he displayed on the field this year makes a looooooot of sense tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: It really would be fascinating to see what the Giants would do if they could pick again after seeing everyone play a year. I think they'd probably stay with the sure thing in Barkley. I'm not trying to troll here, I'm just not as convinced that Darnold is guaranteed to be the super star most of you are convinced he will be, and I am convinced about Barkley. I also think the Browns are satisfied with the rookie trio of Mayfield QB, Ward CB(probable DROY) and Chubb RB over Mayfield/Barkley, although I have to be honest, if I were them, last year I'd have picked Barkley at 1, then taken whichever QB was left at 4 among Darnold, Allen and Rosen. That would've left Mayfield for the Jets, and left me all warm and fuzzy, LOL. Guess that's why I was never hired as a GM. ? I think that Darnold showed enough good stuff and Eli showed enough bad stuff that they'd take Darnold if they could do it again. Also, the scary thing is that Rosen was even worse than Allen this year. I'd still draft Rosen > Allen though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tfine Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I don’t get the point of this. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoJetsFan Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: It really would be fascinating to see what the Giants would do if they could pick again after seeing everyone play a year. I think they'd probably stay with the sure thing in Barkley. I'm not trying to troll here, I'm just not as convinced that Darnold is guaranteed to be the super star most of you are convinced he will be, and I am convinced about Barkley. I also think the Browns are satisfied with the rookie trio of Mayfield QB, Ward CB(probable DROY) and Chubb RB over Mayfield/Barkley, although I have to be honest, if I were them, last year I'd have picked Barkley at 1, then taken whichever QB was left at 4 among Darnold, Allen and Rosen. That would've left Mayfield for the Jets, and left me all warm and fuzzy, LOL. Guess that's why I was never hired as a GM. ? After watching a year of Darnold the Giants would absolutely take Darnold. They will have to roll the dice on high draft capital or spend a huge amount of cap space on mediocre free agents hoping to find something that resembles stability at the QB position. As Jets fans we know the crapshoot they face and I’d rather have a legit young guy like Sam Darnold and try to find a great running back than vice verca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, CTM said: I think that Darnold showed enough good stuff and Eli showed enough bad stuff that they'd take Darnold if they could do it again. Also, the scary thing is that Rosen was even worse than Allen this year. I'd still draft Rosen > Allen though I agree with Rosen over Allen. Good point about Eli, but the potential of the rookies aside, do you really think he played worse then Allen, Rosen and Darnold? Darnold playing with OBJ and the rest of the Giants WRs and TE would've been interesting to watch, that's for sure. That's why I think this thread is a fun thing to talk about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, tfine said: I don’t get the point of this. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app It what Jet fans do during the post season to still be involved in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, TokyoJetsFan said: After watching a year of Darnold the Giants would absolutely take Darnold. They will have to roll the dice on high draft capital or spend a huge amount of cap space on mediocre free agents hoping to find something that resembles stability at the QB position. As Jets fans we know the crapshoot they face and I’d rather have a legit young guy like Sam Darnold and try to find a great running back than vice verca. Or they could just stay where they are, and probably get the top QB in this draft, and certainly no worse then the second best. Again you're assuming a lot with Darnold in thinking he'll automatically become an elite QB. Right now he has the potential to be, but he hasn't separated himself from any of the other rookie QBs. In fact he's behind Mayfield, and whether you like the way he plays or not, possibly Jackson, who revitalized his team and led them to the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: It really would be fascinating to see what the Giants would do if they could pick again after seeing everyone play a year. I think they'd probably stay with the sure thing in Barkley. I'm not trying to troll here, I'm just not as convinced that Darnold is guaranteed to be the super star most of you are convinced he will be, and I am convinced about Barkley. I also think the Browns are satisfied with the rookie trio of Mayfield QB, Ward CB(probable DROY) and Chubb RB over Mayfield/Barkley, although I have to be honest, if I were them, last year I'd have picked Barkley at 1, then taken whichever QB was left at 4 among Darnold, Allen and Rosen. That would've left Mayfield for the Jets, and left me all warm and fuzzy, LOL. Guess that's why I was never hired as a GM. ? When we had Sanchez there were things that made you say, he could become really good or he could just stay a JAG. Same thing with Geno. But with Darnold, I honestly don't see how someone can watch him even purely objectively and not think that he will almost 100% become a franchise QB and possibly better than that. Without almost any weapons, and with a suspect at best OL, and a doofus head coach, he was one of the best QBs in the NFL the last 4 weeks after he came back from injury. He had three potential knocks against him in college: 1. Ball security Was VERY bad in college. But he fixed it so well basically instantly that he was the best in the NFL at not fumbling. 2. Elongated release which should cause slow delivery Gone. He has among the fastest releases in the NFL 3. Interceptions He threw a lot. However 2/3 of them were in 3 very bad games, and he had only 1 in his last 4 games, His decision making and decisiveness in the last 4 games suggest that INTs are not likely be a big issue going forward Add to that: Youth, arm strength, ability to throw on the run, movement in the pocket, packet awareness, decent scramble ability, intelligence, ability to correct flaws almost instantly and then factor in the very poor coaching he got from Bowles and Bates, and a move to an offensive head coach and I am just not sure how anyone can think, barring injury that Sam will be anything less than a Top 10 QB in the league. Darnold over Barkley after a year of review is the biggest no brainer since Jordan over Sam Bowie. And over their careers Darnold will be better than Mayfield, though having him at 1 still is probably correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 28 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: It really would be fascinating to see what the Giants would do if they could pick again after seeing everyone play a year. I think they'd probably stay with the sure thing in Barkley. I'm not trying to troll here, I'm just not as convinced that Darnold is guaranteed to be the super star most of you are convinced he will be, and I am convinced about Barkley. I also think the Browns are satisfied with the rookie trio of Mayfield QB, Ward CB(probable DROY) and Chubb RB over Mayfield/Barkley, although I have to be honest, if I were them, last year I'd have picked Barkley at 1, then taken whichever QB was left at 4 among Darnold, Allen and Rosen. That would've left Mayfield for the Jets, and left me all warm and fuzzy, LOL. Guess that's why I was never hired as a GM. ? Sorry my friend, but you lost me at the Darnold comment. I'm not saying this as a Jet fan, but as a football observer. Darnold is the real deal. I don't see how you can doubt that. As far as Barkley goes, I am a Penn State fan who saw tons of Barkley in college, love him as a player, and feel that as a pro he is even better than expected. That being said, the Giants made a big mistake not taking Darnold. They will regret it. Only way they deflect some of the damage from that pick is if, they trade up, snag Haskins, and he develops into something close to Sam which frankly, I don't see. Otherwise by the time they fix their QB dilemma they will be. Otherwise by the time they have an established QB, { post Eli} they will be four years into the career of a Marquee running back playing a position that has a short shelf life, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said: Sorry my friend, but you lost me at the Darnold comment. I'm not saying this as a Jet fan, but as a football observer. Darnold is the real deal. I don't see how you can doubt that. As far as Barkley goes, I am a Penn State fan who saw tons of Barkley in college, love him as a player, and feel that as a pro he is even better than expected. That being said, the Giants made a big mistake not taking Darnold. They will regret it. Only way they deflect some of the damage from that pick is if, they trade up, snag Haskins, and he develops into something close to Sam which frankly, I don't see. Otherwise by the time they fix their QB dilemma they will be. Otherwise by the time they have an established QB, { post Eli} they will be four years into the career of a Marquee running back playing a position that has a short shelf life, given where the giants are with their qb mess, no doubt they would take darnold with the benefit of hindsight. and we'd have rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, tfine said: I don’t get the point of this. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app To give Jets fans nightmares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 47 minutes ago, Jet9 said: Yeah, the pick would be Barkley. People are weird. The pick would be a QB. We spent a lot of draft capital to move up to #3. You don't spend that for a RB, even one as good as Barkley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said: I feel like I'm living in alternate universe via a tear in the space/time continuum, where the Jets drafted Darnold... Because that ^^^ right there, is the Jets and reality that i know all too well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, TeddEY said: So, whomever did this, said the Jets got to watch all of 2018 and with Darnold gone, still took Allen? Come on. 1 hour ago, Patriot Killa said: They obviously think Allen did better than Rosen. Rich Cimini did the redraft for the JETS on this. I saw the article last night. He said that basically the Jets would have probably selected Rosen this year had Darnold been gone, but after seeing this season and how Allen outperformed Rosen he, Cimini, took Allen. IMO this is a pretty dumb move. I still think Allen is going to be the worst of the 4 (Mayfield, Sam, Rosen, Allen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 This was an ESPN thing with their beat reporters and it was Cimini who made the Allen pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 54 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: It really would be fascinating to see what the Giants would do if they could pick again after seeing everyone play a year. I think they'd probably stay with the sure thing in Barkley. I'm not trying to troll here, I'm just not as convinced that Darnold is guaranteed to be the super star most of you are convinced he will be, and I am convinced about Barkley. I also think the Browns are satisfied with the rookie trio of Mayfield QB, Ward CB(probable DROY) and Chubb RB over Mayfield/Barkley, although I have to be honest, if I were them, last year I'd have picked Barkley at 1, then taken whichever QB was left at 4 among Darnold, Allen and Rosen. That would've left Mayfield for the Jets, and left me all warm and fuzzy, LOL. Guess that's why I was never hired as a GM. ? @joenamathwouldn'tcry We both generally agree on most things, and are both around the same age. We've seen a lot of water under the bridge with this team over the years, and therefore are both likely to take a wait and see approach with young players. I'm genuinely curious, since I rarely leave a negative or butt fumble react, why you left one for the above post. In my mind its a fun thread where we can rehash what teams would do if they had a mulligan in last years draft. I made it a point to say I wasn't trolling, just gave my opinion on how things played out, and said how I wished they would have if I were a GM. No hard feelings my friend, I'm just curious about what made you react... EDIT as soon as I posted this I saw your reply above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said: Sorry my friend, but you lost me at the Darnold comment. I'm not saying this as a Jet fan, but as a football observer. Darnold is the real deal. I don't see how you can doubt that. As far as Barkley goes, I am a Penn State fan who saw tons of Barkley in college, love him as a player, and feel that as a pro he is even better than expected. That being said, the Giants made a big mistake not taking Darnold. They will regret it. Only way they deflect some of the damage from that pick is if, they trade up, snag Haskins, and he develops into something close to Sam which frankly, I don't see. Otherwise by the time they fix their QB dilemma they will be. Otherwise by the time they have an established QB, { post Eli} they will be four years into the career of a Marquee running back playing a position that has a short shelf life, No problem, I'm glad you took the time to explain. Before I saw this I left a post asking you about your reaction. I'm glad you did, so disregard that post. I respect your view, its a valid position to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, johnnysd said: When we had Sanchez there were things that made you say, he could become really good or he could just stay a JAG. Same thing with Geno. But with Darnold, I honestly don't see how someone can watch him even purely objectively and not think that he will almost 100% become a franchise QB and possibly better than that. Without almost any weapons, and with a suspect at best OL, and a doofus head coach, he was one of the best QBs in the NFL the last 4 weeks after he came back from injury. He had three potential knocks against him in college: 1. Ball security Was VERY bad in college. But he fixed it so well basically instantly that he was the best in the NFL at not fumbling. 2. Elongated release which should cause slow delivery Gone. He has among the fastest releases in the NFL 3. Interceptions He threw a lot. However 2/3 of them were in 3 very bad games, and he had only 1 in his last 4 games, His decision making and decisiveness in the last 4 games suggest that INTs are not likely be a big issue going forward Add to that: Youth, arm strength, ability to throw on the run, movement in the pocket, packet awareness, decent scramble ability, intelligence, ability to correct flaws almost instantly and then factor in the very poor coaching he got from Bowles and Bates, and a move to an offensive head coach and I am just not sure how anyone can think, barring injury that Sam will be anything less than a Top 10 QB in the league. Darnold over Barkley after a year of review is the biggest no brainer since Jordan over Sam Bowie. And over their careers Darnold will be better than Mayfield, though having him at 1 still is probably correct. “Darnold, he’s like a cow on ice,’’ Shonka said. “His footwork is all over the place. His feet in the pocket are embarrassing. When you turn the ball over [35 times] in 26 games, you’re intellectually dishonest when you’re talking about bringing in Sam Darnold as your next savior. This guy opens his hands over the ball, it just drops out when he’s in the pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 minute ago, 14 in Green said: @joenamathwouldn'tcry We both generally agree on most things, and are both around the same age. We've seen a lot of water under the bridge with this team over the years, and therefore are both likely to take a wait and see approach with young players. I'm genuinely curious, since I rarely leave a negative or butt fumble react, why you left one for the above post. In my mind its a fun thread where we can rehash what teams would do if they had a mulligan in last years draft. I made it a point to say I wasn't trolling, just gave my opinion on how things played out, and said how I wished they would have if I were a GM. No hard feelings my friend, I'm just curious about what made you react... I didn't want to insult you in any way. I just posted the down vote as a way of saying that I didn't agree. No slight intended. I thought that was what a butt fumble was for, not a down vote. You know I respect your knowledge and viewpoints. If it bothers you I will remove it. That being said I think the Website needs a emoji to symbolize that you don't necessarily agree, without the negative connotation that you felt with the down vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said: I didn't want to insult you in any way. I just posted the down vote as a way of saying that I didn't agree. No slight intended. I thought that was what a butt fumble was for, not a down vote. You know I respect your knowledge and viewpoints. If it bothers you I will remove it. That being said I think the Website needs a emoji to symbolize that you don't necessarily agree, without the negative connotation that you felt with the down vote. Actually I really like that we both used the term "my friend" simutaneously in both our posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: Or they could just stay where they are, and probably get the top QB in this draft, and certainly no worse then the second best. Again you're assuming a lot with Darnold in thinking he'll automatically become an elite QB. Right now he has the potential to be, but he hasn't separated himself from any of the other rookie QBs. In fact he's behind Mayfield, and whether you like the way he plays or not, possibly Jackson, who revitalized his team and led them to the playoffs. That’s absurd. Not a single NFL GM is taking Lamar Jackson over Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: Actually I really like that we both used the term "my friend" simutaneously in both our posts. I consider you one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Saul Goodman said: That’s absurd. Not a single NFL GM is taking Lamar Jackson over Darnold. That's not what I said. And yeah, I might've gone a bridge too far using his name, but hey, I was on a roll... LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 hours ago, 14 in Green said: It really would be fascinating to see what the Giants would do if they could pick again after seeing everyone play a year. I think they'd probably stay with the sure thing in Barkley. I'm not trying to troll here, I'm just not as convinced that Darnold is guaranteed to be the super star most of you are convinced he will be, and I am convinced about Barkley. I also think the Browns are satisfied with the rookie trio of Mayfield QB, Ward CB(probable DROY) and Chubb RB over Mayfield/Barkley, although I have to be honest, if I were them, last year I'd have picked Barkley at 1, then taken whichever QB was left at 4 among Darnold, Allen and Rosen. That would've left Mayfield for the Jets, and left me all warm and fuzzy, LOL. Guess that's why I was never hired as a GM. ? The problem is, Darnold doesn’t have to be a “superstar” for him to end up being the guy who got away. If Darnold is an above-average to very good 10 year starter, the Giants f*cked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Jet Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I thought it came out after the draft that Maccagnan rated Allen fourth out of the four quarterbacks (excluding Lamar Jackson who was never going to be a top five pick). By that logic, had Sam been off the board at #3, he would have taken Rosen at #3. Allen has seduced a few pundits this season with his mobility and capacity to make plays on the ground, and his poor completion percentage has been excused by the fact he's playing with a broken down LeSean McCoy, Robert Foster and a bunch of scrubs. To be honest, I think the Bills will extract a good career out of Allen. He has all the physical attributes required to succeed in Buffalo. If the Bills can put some talent around him, he'll be a good QB. Rosen on the other hand looked terrible in his first season with the Cardinals. But that organisation clearly had a number of issues. From memory, they fired their OC early in the season and then fired their rookie HC at the end of the season. The linemen seemed incapable of run-blocking or pass-blocking. No doubt Rosen's confidence was shredded by the end of the season, compounded by the fact that David Johnson was pretty poor for most of the season, and he only had two receivers worth their roster spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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