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5 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

 They’ve coached a bunch of games already. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. And Williams has improved quite a few of the defenses he’s coached.  

So has Gase.  Manning and Cutler prospered.  Osweiler didn't.

Miamis offense ranked higher than Clevelands defense.  I say it's meaningless, you only want to talk about Miami and make it the end all. 

Shocking. 

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With Adam Gase hiring Dowell Loggains as offensive coordinator, what can Jets expect? Pros, cons, analysis, what it means for Sam Darnold

By Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com | Posted January 23, 2019 at 05:16 PM

It looks like Dowell Loggains could soon be on his way to the Jets, as new head coach Adam Gase's offensive coordinator. Loggains, who was the offensive coordinator under Gase in Miami, has been cleared to speak with other teams. And he is expected to land with Gase in Florham Park. So let's break down what you can expect from Loggains, shall we? 

Brynn Anderson | AP

Loggains has an interesting background. 

His first name, by the way, rhymes with "towel," and his last name is pronounced "LOG-ins." 

What is his playing background?

Loggains started his coaching career in 2008 as an offensive quality control coach with the Titans. Before that, he barely played at Arkansas as a walk-on quarterback, but was able to make the team, even though he is 5-foot-6. His final collegiate season was 2003. He always knew he wanted to coach, since he obviously didn't have a future playing.

"It's the same way in coaching," Loggains said last year -- regarding his walk-on playing career -- when the Dolphins hired him. "You might not be the smartest guy. You've got to know your limitations and try to work harder than the next guy. That's how you stay in this league -- try to outwork as many people as you can."

Loggains broke into the NFL in 2005 as a scouting assistant for the Cowboys. 

Another youthful voice

Loggains is 38 -- two years younger than Gase. So perhaps they will bring some fresh ideas to a Jets offense that has become stale in recent seasons. Then again, the Jets' failed offensive coordinator last season, Jeremy Bates, is 42. So youth doesn't always mean coaching success. 

Has background working with quarterbacks

This could be a plus for the Jets and second-year quarterback Sam Darnold. Loggains not only played quarterback in college (though not with any degree of success), but he also has coached quarterbacks in the NFL, just like Gase. Loggains was the Titans' quarterbacks coach from 2010-11 and held that same role with the Browns in 2014 and Bears in 2015. 

How much coordinator experience does Loggains have?

A good deal, even though he is young. He was the Titans' offensive coordinator from 2012-13 and held that role with the Bears from 2016-17. After Matt Nagy (an offensive-minded head coach) was hired by the Bears last year, Loggains went to Miami and spent one season as Gase's offensive coordinator before Gase was fired. Now, they are expected to reunite with the Jets. 

Almost worked for Giants

In early 2014, the Giants were looking for an offensive coordinator, and Loggains was looking for a job, since he had just been fired as the Titans' offensive coordinator (along with head coach Mike Munchak). The Giants interviewed him for their vacant offensive coordinator job, but Loggains wound up landing in Cleveland as quarterbacks coach during Johnny Manziel's rookie season. Loggains had taken over as the Titans' coordinator late in the 2012 season, so 2013 was his first full year as an NFL coordinator. He was still quite green when the Giants interviewed him. They wound up hiring Ben McAdoo as coordinator. 

 

How will Gase craft his offensive staff?

Last year, Darnold had an offensive coordinator (Bates) who doubled as his quarterbacks coach. This year, Gase will be the Jets' de facto offensive coordinator, even though Loggains has that title. Gase said he is unlikely to hire a third person with the "quarterbacks coach" title. So Gase and Loggains will combine to coach Darnold. Again, both Gase and Loggains have experience as a quarterbacks coach. 

What would Loggains actually do with Jets?

Same situation as last year in Miami. Gase will call the Jets' plays, but Loggains will obviously be involved in game planning and coaching Darnold. It'll be a tag-team effort with Gase and Loggains -- in terms of coaching Darnold (since the Jets likely won't have a separate quarterbacks coach) and crafting the offensive game plan. But Gase will call the plays during games. No different than what Gase did last year when Loggains was his coordinator with the Dolphins. 

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How did Loggains' offenses perform?

Here's a rundown of what Loggains has done as a coordinator, in terms of Football Outsiders' offensive DVOA ratings: 

2012 Titans*: 29

2013 Titans: 16

2016 Bears: 16

2017 Bears: 28

2018 Dolphins**: 26

*Loggains, who was the Titans' quarterbacks coach, took over for Chris Palmer in late November of 2012. 

**Gase called the offensive plays. 

(After the 2013 and 2017 seasons, Loggains was fired as a part of head coaching changes in Tennessee and Chicago, as an offensive-minded coach took over in both instances -- Ken Whisenhunt with the Titans and Matt Nagy with the Bears.) 

Why is Gase hiring Loggains?

Gase is familiar with Loggains, obviously. And Loggains is familiar with Gase's offense. They first worked together in 2015 with the Bears. Gase was the offensive coordinator, Loggains the quarterbacks coach. Loggains took over as coordinator in 2016 when Gase got the Dolphins' head coaching job. And when Loggains needed a job in 2018, Gase hired him in Miami. So they're clearly close -- and on the same page when it comes to scheme. 

And it's not like Gase was going to get an offensive coordinator, with the Jets, who wanted to call plays, since Gase is going to do that himself. Plus, Loggains' background working with quarterbacks will let Gase take his preferred route of not hiring a third guy to just coach that position. It'll be Gase and Loggains working with Darnold (and on the game plan) throughout the week -- and Gase calling the plays on Sundays. 

This is the arrangement Gase wanted. And he'll get it, while having a chance to work with a coach, Loggains, who brings personal and scheme familiarity. Obviously, some of Loggains' results as a coordinator leave something to be desired. But ultimately, the success or failure of the Jets' offense (and of Darnold) will fall on Gase. 

What does Loggains as coordinator mean for Sam Darnold?

Not a ton. Loggains is going to carry out Gase's plan and scheme. In the end, this is Gase's offense and Gase's road map for developing a quarterback. Loggains will put his own coaching touches on things, of course. But the Jets hired Gase largely for his offensive and quarterback-developing plan and vision. It's not like Loggains is really going to deviate from that. It's just a matter of how Loggains can supplement Gase's teachings, as they try to mold Darnold. Again, though, the final offensive/Darnold results fall on Gase's shoulders. He will get the credit or blame, as he should. 

What are Loggains and Gase up against with Jets?

A grim recent history of offensive results, though there is some hope with Darnold now in the mix. 

This is where the Jets have ranked in offensive DVOA since their last very good offensive season, when they finished fifth in 2004: 

2018 -- 29

2017 -- 24

2016 -- 31

2015 -- 14

2014 -- 25

2013 -- 27

2012 -- 30

2011 -- 21

2010 -- 16

2009 -- 22

2008 -- 19

2007 -- 25

2006 -- 15

2005 -- 31

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4 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

So has Gase.  Manning and Cutler prospered.  Osweiler didn't.

Miamis offense ranked higher than Clevelands defense.  I say it's meaningless, you only want to talk about Miami and make it the end all. 

Shocking. 

I’m comparing their complete body of work not just one team. Williams is much better at his job then Gase and Dowell. 

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20 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

I’m comparing their complete body of work not just one team. Williams is much better at his job then Gase and Dowell. 

What body of work?  Williams missed the playoffs as did Gase last year

 

As a head coach in 3 years working with nothing but garbage qbs Gase went 23-25, one playoff appearance and his record in games decided by 10 points or less is like 20-7

 

The biggest knock on Gase is he didn’t win super bowls with the likes of Tannehill, Osweiler, Moore and Cutler coming off the couch with Karmen Cavallari

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17 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

Let I said. Post what each coach did. What the teams ranks were before and during their stay. 

Like I said, only hold Gase and Dowell to their rankings without their QB, call it a stupid hire. 

Ignore worse numbers of Williams defense, call it a good hire.

Makes no sense.  One can't be stupid the other good.  I don't care how you spin it if you're going by numbers.  

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3 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Like I said, only hold Gase and Dowell to their rankings without their QB, call it a stupid hire. 

Ignore worse numbers of Williams defense, call it a good hire.

Makes no sense.  One can't be stupid the other good.  I don't care how you spin it if you're going by numbers.  

You still haven’t posted the rank of Williams defense before and during his term and Gase/Dowell. See what coaches improved the team more. 

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16 hours ago, Spoot-Face said:

Ripping the Dowell Loggains hire is like ripping the Kacey Rodgers hire under Bowles. It literally means nothing. This will be Gase's offense, therefore Loggains will only be as awful/good as Gase is.

Unfortunately, Gase's offense has sucked.

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1 hour ago, LIJetsFan said:

A grim recent history of offensive results, though there is some hope with Darnold now in the mix. 

This is where the Jets have ranked in offensive DVOA since their last very good offensive season, when they finished fifth in 2004: 

2018 -- 29

2017 -- 24

2016 -- 31

 2015 -- 14

2014 -- 25

2013 -- 27

2012 -- 30

2011 -- 21

 2010 -- 16

2009 -- 22

2008 -- 19

2007 -- 25

2006 -- 15

2005 -- 31

Yikes

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4 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said:

Please file in the "Gase sucks" thread

Which is all of them...

I'm sorry you feel the need to contort yourself into knots to make it seem like Gase has been successful or spew out the ridiculous notion that his past should be ignored and everyone should just "Hope" he somehow reverse course.

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1 minute ago, Losmeister said:

absolutely insane that there are 115 things about Loggins.

 

yup.  Everyone knew that Gase would be bringing his guy Loggains along to help him install and manage Gase's offense. Everyone knows that Gase is calling 100% of the offense.  There is absolutely no reason to be upset about Loggains, unless of course you are negative about Gase... in that case it just gives the folks yet another thread to continue the Gase whining.

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19 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

You still haven’t posted the rank of Williams defense before and during his term and Gase/Dowell. See what coaches improved the team more. 

The Browns ranked 30th.  Jets were 29.  Is your point he improved their defense?  Dolphins offenses were in the 20s.  Pointless, not a difference that makes Williams a great hire Gase/Dowell stupid.  No matter how many times you ask.  

You don't like Gase, don't know who you wanted but it's been long enough, we get it.  

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What exactly is the Jets overarching plan? Can anyone articulate it? It seems we have two head coaches, along with a OC who’s here to keep Gase company.

The General Manager didn’t say a word at the press conference introducing the guy he apparently had a part in hiring.

Outside of Darnold turning into Aaron Rodgers and compensating for every gap in the front office and roster, what exactly are the Jets doing hiring Miami castoffs? What’s the plan?

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10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

The Browns ranked 30th.  Jets were 29.  Is your point he improved their defense?  Dolphins offenses were in the 20s.  Pointless, not a difference that makes Williams a great hire Gase/Dowell stupid.  No matter how many times you ask.  

You don't like Gase, don't know who you wanted but it's been long enough, we get it.  

That has nothing to do with it. What were the defenses ranked that Williams took over before and during his stay and the same for Gase/Dowell but offenses. Not what were the Jets and Browns ranked. Did defenses improve when Williams took over and did offenses improve when Gase/Dowell took over. 

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4 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

What exactly is the Jets overarching plan? Can anyone articulate it? It seems we have two head coaches, along with a OC who’s here to keep Gase company.

The General Manager didn’t say a word at the press conference introducing the guy he apparently had a part in hiring.

Outside of Darnold turning into Aaron Rodgers and compensating for every gap in the front office and roster, what exactly are the Jets doing hiring Miami castoffs? What’s the plan?

The plan was that they know they wanted Williams as DC. And they knew they wanted a HC mostly to help Darnold. They probably wanted Monken or someone as OC if the HC was inexperienced such as Rhule. But since they know Gase is running the offense and has experience they said sure bring in your buddy, we don't care. 

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This discussion about whether Gase sux or not is silly. We all know Bowles was gone.  So we had to find a new HC hire.  Gase was one of the better available.  So we hired one of the best AVAILABLE.  Now he may or may not suk but he's a major improvement over Bowles who was AVAILABLE. 

This is the same argument I see here all the time on this message board.  Why did we choose/hire such and such, he sux!  Well 90% of the time we needed a hire/selection and we had to choose from what is available.  It's not their fault that they were all that was available!!

This ain't Madden.  Get over it Jets fans.  

   

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30 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

That has nothing to do with it. What were the defenses ranked that Williams took over before and during his stay and the same for Gase/Dowell but offenses. Not what were the Jets and Browns ranked. Did defenses improve when Williams took over and did offenses improve when Gase/Dowell took over. 

Are you just refusing to think?  If they were ranked 30th how can you even begin to argue that Williams improved them?  Gase lost his starting QB in Miami.  A retired Cutler them Osweiler. The numbers are stupid, mean little without context.  It's your out, take it.  Just admit, you used numbers to rip Gase because you don't like him and are ignoring worse numbers for Williams because you like Williams.  Clearly.  

 

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2 hours ago, Matt39 said:

What exactly is the Jets overarching plan? Can anyone articulate it? It seems we have two head coaches, along with a OC who’s here to keep Gase company.

The General Manager didn’t say a word at the press conference introducing the guy he apparently had a part in hiring.

Outside of Darnold turning into Aaron Rodgers and compensating for every gap in the front office and roster, what exactly are the Jets doing hiring Miami castoffs? What’s the plan?

We have two HCs?  Lol work this nonsensical argument.  Gase hired Williams.  Williams works for Gase.  Should have hired a scrub DC who didn't have any HC experience on his resume.  

Should start asking all the doom and gloom whiners who their choice of HC was.  I can punch more holes in their guy

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40 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

What exactly is the Jets overarching plan? Can anyone articulate it? It seems we have two head coaches, along with a OC who’s here to keep Gase company.

I'm not on the Gase bandwagon, but this is complete nonsense. There's a long list of head coaches who have a hands off approach to their defense and give their DCs free reign, starting with Sean McVay and Wade Phillps in LA. There's a big contingent of whiners here who love to delve into false narratives that have no basis in fact.

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Terrible hire. Just awful. Nothing more to it. Even if it is Gase’s offense ans he’ll be developing, teaching, while calling the plays, I would have loved someone with SOME success involved in Sam Darnold’s development. He sucks.

I hope I’m proven wrong, or he’s that insignificant where he doesn’t do any harm.

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48 minutes ago, Dcat said:

yup.  Everyone knew that Gase would be bringing his guy Loggains along to help him install and manage Gase's offense. Everyone knows that Gase is calling 100% of the offense.  There is absolutely no reason to be upset about Loggains, unless of course you are negative about Gase... in that case it just gives the folks yet another thread to continue the Gase whining.

The argument for Gase is that he's learned so much.  This news is very relevant to that, as this hire would unfortunately suggest he hasn't learned in the slightest, considering he focused all of his attention for a coordinator position to simply wait around for a known failure, based on a personal relationship.  It already shows a lack of willingness to adapt.

I'm at the point that I'm desperately looking for any reason for optimism with this mess, and still none can be found beyond blind faith.  It sucks.

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