the naysayers are planting the seed

[rangerous]

i for one am fairly pleased at the coaching staff the jets have put together.  maybe it sounds bad because gase came from an enemy team but he was fired, in part, because he didn't like the way that team was heading.  he wants to win.  likewise i don't see williams putting in any less effort in trying to get this team turned around.  and the way they have effectively split the team into offense and defense should keep  these guys doing what they know best.  will there be a clash if one side perceives the other isn't pulling it's weight?  maybe but this happened during the rex and bowles years and those guys didn't have real firebrands as their offensive coaches.  will we see williams decking gase like buddy ryan did to gilbride?  doubtful.  gilbride was just not a good coach by any stretch.

NFL watching fiery Jets pairing of Adam Gase, Gregg Williams

By Brian Costello

January 24, 2019 | 8:40pm

Modal Tri

MOBILE, Ala. — It is the Florham Park chemistry experiment people around the NFL are watching: What will combining one part Adam Gase and one part Gregg Williams yield?

We’ll soon find out how this new Jets coaching staff meshes, but it is a source of curiosity in the league and was a topic people were discussing this week at the Senior Bowl in bars, restaurants and hotel lobbies.

The new Jets head coach and defensive coordinator are both known as alpha males, the type not to take any crap and always have their intensity dialed up to 11. The main question from NFL people this week was: Can two people like that coexist on the same coaching staff? Will it lead to in-fighting? Will the offense and defense be pitted against each other?

Gase chose Williams, so he knows what he is getting into. Gase said on Day 1 on the job that he wanted to find a “head coach of the defense,” indicating he is going to turn that side of the ball over to Williams and stay out of his way. That could create an interesting situation.

Williams, a 20-year veteran as a defensive coordinator and head coach in the NFL, is known as a divisive personality. Last year as the Browns defensive coordinator, he was featured on HBO’s “Hard Knocks” fighting with offensive coordinator Todd Haley during one practice. After a defender hit quarterback Baker Mayfield, Haley yelled at the defense, “Don’t touch the [bleeping] quarterback in practice! Good teams don’t do it!” Williams responded, “somebody’s gotta [bleeping] block ’em.”

Inside the Jets, they are not afraid of this situation. They are embracing it. The word you hear from most people around the Jets is “energy.” There is a feeling Gase and Williams will both bring a new energy to the organization. Former coach Todd Bowles was laid back, too laid back in the eyes of some.

The Jets are hoping spirited practices and competition between the offense and defense in practices will push both sides to be better. There is also a feeling inside the Jets that an infusion of alpha was needed and players like Leonard Williams and Darron Lee could benefit from a kick in the butt.

“I’m excited. I just keep picturing practice is … going to be the difference-maker for us is, it’s going to be like a game every day,” Gase said last week in an interview with Pro Football Talk. “Because the competition and the competitiveness between Gregg, myself, the staffs, that’s what you want. That’s how you get that energy you want to where the players feel that, they’re practicing like that, they’re creating that attitude. So now all of a sudden it becomes the fourth quarter, it’s a close game, our guys have been there before.”

The truth is most football teams feel like two squads — the offense and the defense. The two sides rarely feel like they are one unit. But it is a fine line. Some separation and competition is healthy. But sometimes one side begins to resent the other if there is a feeling of superiority on one side. Rex Ryan’s Jets fell victim to that with the defense increasingly feeling like the offense was not pulling its weight during the 2011 and 2012 seasons. Finger-pointing begins and it is all downhill from there.

The Jets are counting on Gase being able to manage the situation and keep it from going from healthy competition to dysfunction. The model they are looking at is Sean McVay and Wade Phillips with the Rams, who will play in the Super Bowl next week. Now, Phillips does not quite have the outsized ego of Williams, but those who have worked with him say he does have more of a dominant personality than you think. The Rams have succeeded with McVay running the offense and Phillips controlling the defense.

The other element to watch in this chemistry experiment is general manager Mike Maccagan, who is quieter and more reserved than Gase and Williams. Will that lead to them pushing him around when it comes to personnel decisions? Maccagnan retained control of the 53-man roster, but he will listen to his coaches. But he also must be able to tell them “no” when he does not agree with their personnel evaluations. That may not be easy with Gase and Williams.

All of it sets up a fascinating storyline to watch with the 2019 Jets. Will they be one happy family or will they engage in more infighting than the five New York crime families?

Plenty of people around the NFL are fascinated to find out the answer

[redlichtie]

Interesting analysis and thanks for posting. It’s not an invalid point and I personally can see this going South just as easily as it could turn out to be a master stroke 

I’d be surprised if the Bowles led Jets didn’t have exactly the same ‘them and us’ feelings going round as either side of the ball failed each other so often that even if Gase and Williams create a polarising atmosphere around both units it likely won’t be any different to the last couple of years....it’ll just be more obvious and out in the open.

[LIJetsFan]

18 minutes ago, rangerous said:

 

After a defender hit quarterback Baker Mayfield, Haley yelled at the defense, “Don’t touch the [bleeping] quarterback in practice! Good teams don’t do it!” Williams responded, “somebody’s gotta [bleeping] block ’em.”

 

How insane is our upcoming pre-season going to be?  Buckle up Jets fans!   

[LionelRichie]

Williams is overrated as a DC.  Somehow the bounty gate actually made him into this defensive genius.   In reality, his teams have underachieved their talent levels at almost every stop he’s made, including Cleveland last year.  

[Anthony Jet]

Every time I read head coach of the defense, I think of Robert loggia 

“now let’s analyze what’s been working for us”

”NOT A GOD DAM THING”

[Dcat]

1 hour ago, rangerous said:

i for one am fairly pleased at the coaching staff the jets have put together.  maybe it sounds bad because gase came from an enemy team but he was fired, in part, because he didn't like the way that team was heading.  he wants to win.  likewise i don't see williams putting in any less effort in trying to get this team turned around.  and the way they have effectively split the team into offense and defense should keep  these guys doing what they know best.  will there be a clash if one side perceives the other isn't pulling it's weight?  maybe but this happened during the rex and bowles years and those guys didn't have real firebrands as their offensive coaches.  will we see williams decking gase like buddy ryan did to gilbride?  doubtful.  gilbride was just not a good coach by any stretch.

NFL watching fiery Jets pairing of Adam Gase, Gregg Williams

By Brian Costello

January 24, 2019 | 8:40pm

Modal Tri

MOBILE, Ala. — It is the Florham Park chemistry experiment people around the NFL are watching: What will combining one part Adam Gase and one part Gregg Williams yield?

We’ll soon find out how this new Jets coaching staff meshes, but it is a source of curiosity in the league and was a topic people were discussing this week at the Senior Bowl in bars, restaurants and hotel lobbies.

The new Jets head coach and defensive coordinator are both known as alpha males, the type not to take any crap and always have their intensity dialed up to 11. The main question from NFL people this week was: Can two people like that coexist on the same coaching staff? Will it lead to in-fighting? Will the offense and defense be pitted against each other?

Gase chose Williams, so he knows what he is getting into. Gase said on Day 1 on the job that he wanted to find a “head coach of the defense,” indicating he is going to turn that side of the ball over to Williams and stay out of his way. That could create an interesting situation.

Williams, a 20-year veteran as a defensive coordinator and head coach in the NFL, is known as a divisive personality. Last year as the Browns defensive coordinator, he was featured on HBO’s “Hard Knocks” fighting with offensive coordinator Todd Haley during one practice. After a defender hit quarterback Baker Mayfield, Haley yelled at the defense, “Don’t touch the [bleeping] quarterback in practice! Good teams don’t do it!” Williams responded, “somebody’s gotta [bleeping] block ’em.”

Inside the Jets, they are not afraid of this situation. They are embracing it. The word you hear from most people around the Jets is “energy.” There is a feeling Gase and Williams will both bring a new energy to the organization. Former coach Todd Bowles was laid back, too laid back in the eyes of some.

The Jets are hoping spirited practices and competition between the offense and defense in practices will push both sides to be better. There is also a feeling inside the Jets that an infusion of alpha was needed and players like Leonard Williams and Darron Lee could benefit from a kick in the butt.

“I’m excited. I just keep picturing practice is … going to be the difference-maker for us is, it’s going to be like a game every day,” Gase said last week in an interview with Pro Football Talk. “Because the competition and the competitiveness between Gregg, myself, the staffs, that’s what you want. That’s how you get that energy you want to where the players feel that, they’re practicing like that, they’re creating that attitude. So now all of a sudden it becomes the fourth quarter, it’s a close game, our guys have been there before.”

The truth is most football teams feel like two squads — the offense and the defense. The two sides rarely feel like they are one unit. But it is a fine line. Some separation and competition is healthy. But sometimes one side begins to resent the other if there is a feeling of superiority on one side. Rex Ryan’s Jets fell victim to that with the defense increasingly feeling like the offense was not pulling its weight during the 2011 and 2012 seasons. Finger-pointing begins and it is all downhill from there.

The Jets are counting on Gase being able to manage the situation and keep it from going from healthy competition to dysfunction. The model they are looking at is Sean McVay and Wade Phillips with the Rams, who will play in the Super Bowl next week. Now, Phillips does not quite have the outsized ego of Williams, but those who have worked with him say he does have more of a dominant personality than you think. The Rams have succeeded with McVay running the offense and Phillips controlling the defense.

The other element to watch in this chemistry experiment is general manager Mike Maccagan, who is quieter and more reserved than Gase and Williams. Will that lead to them pushing him around when it comes to personnel decisions? Maccagnan retained control of the 53-man roster, but he will listen to his coaches. But he also must be able to tell them “no” when he does not agree with their personnel evaluations. That may not be easy with Gase and Williams.

All of it sets up a fascinating storyline to watch with the 2019 Jets. Will they be one happy family or will they engage in more infighting than the five New York crime families?

Plenty of people around the NFL are fascinated to find out the answer

Good article. Especially the last part which clearly demonstrate how Maacagnan can be an obstacle to the dynamics of this coaching staff.  Mac clearly doesn't fit in, but Chris Johnson had to keep him around for some inexplicable reason.  

[joenamathwouldn'tcry]

I find this "arrangement' as the recipe for success, and here's why.  We now know that the Cleveland situation was a cesspool of backstabbing and throwing of people under the bus. Todd Haley is a well know a$$hole of the first degree.  Williams was able to function in that environment despite a meddling owner, friction between the front office and Hue Jackson and a culture of "rattlesnakes", something we know is adverse to his nature as a "straight shooter".  He not only was able to navigate it but succeeded  there, not only improving the Defense, but being successful in his role as the "Interim Head  Coach".  He should feel "freed" to be away from that situation, and be allowed to escape the drama and get back to doing what he does best.  Which brings us to Gase.  In Miami ,the perception was that  all of the added responsibilities piled on his plate, whether assumed or required, distracted him from what he likes to do and does best.  That thing is running an Offense and play-calling.  Without personnel  decisions to deal with and having an experienced Defensive "Strongman" at his disposal, Gase can concentrate on the development of Sam Darnold and the rebuilding of the Offense. Having what is considered to be a somewhat easy going, non-meddling ownership should be a breath of fresh air for both of these men.  Chris Johnson doesn't impress as the type to come in with "suggestions" unlike his counterpart in Miami.  MacCagnan is also said to be laid back and appears to have less of an ego than say,  John Dorsey. Driven, perfectionist personalities can co-exist and thrive, the "Climate"  just has to be right.

[Joe W. Namath]

There will be no issues because Gase has given williams cart blanche to do what he wants.

Gase wants no part of the D so there wont be any miscommunication.  The D is williams show to run.

[NYJ1]

Cautiously optimistic is how I would put it. The Jets achieved their objective. They wanted an experienced coach with an offensive background. Gase fits that bill. There also wasn't any Bill Parcells type guys. Apparently and most importantly, Darnold and Adams approve of the hire.

[Ken Schroy]

Fair article, but I am optimistic that it will work out, and we just might have the best CS since Parcells/Belli, etc.

[Adoni Beast]

I didn’t interrupt it as an automatic naysay against the Jets. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. I think it will be good for us, but we’ll see.

[Creepy Lurker]

28 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

There will be no issues because Gase has given williams cart blanche to do what he wants.

Gase wants no part of the D so there wont be any miscommunication.  The D is williams show to run.

The only reason that I didn’t like Rex/Bowles neglecting 1 side of the ball and only focusing on defense, was because it wasn’t offense. I don’t mind a head coach that focuses on offense only because that’s what wins games today.

If you are going to be a defensive head coach, you better have a great offensive staff or be like Belichicken and a great overall coach. Rex and Bowles never had good offensive coordinators because they never needed them when they were coordinators and scared all the good candidates away with all the “ground and pound” crap that was dying in this league.

You can’t just neglect offense and hope for the best. The Jets kept Schitty because of nepotism and they had high hopes for him. Then they just switched out coordinators every 1-2 years until now.

It’s crazy how backwards we have been in the modern NFL. Not just from team building philosophy. Coaching has been a disaster. Sorry for the rant haha. 

[Jetster]

1 hour ago, LionelRichie said:

Williams is overrated as a DC.  Somehow the bounty gate actually made him into this defensive genius.   In reality, his teams have underachieved their talent levels at almost every stop he’s made, including Cleveland last year.  

The bummer boys....womp....womp....waaaaah.

[Scott Dierking]

It will depend upon clearly outlining (needs to be done by Gase), hierarchy of structure, responsibilities and roles. Presumably, this has been done at the time of interview. Then, they need to live up to that structure and not allow factions of disagreement to fester at any time. Open communication.

Parcells and Bellichick were both fiery and competitive. They did not necessarily like each other. But they both respected each other and had ground rules as to expectations.

[FidelioJet]

We do this every time we get a new HC.

We hire the opposite of what we had before to the other extreme and everyone gets all excited.

Fact is Gase has failed as a HC and Williams has had an up and down career as a DC...All the rah-rahing in the world isn't going to make this team good unless they have good players.

We need playmakers.

[Jetster]

The Jets have had so many offensive coordinators how in the hell do you develop any chemistry? 

Im completely positive with the Gase hire as he's not only the head coach he's the OC and playcaller. Yes, he's got a guy, and he's here to take some crap off of Gase plate. 

It was imperative that Chris Johnson move fast and bring in an offensive X & O guy to put in a system for Sam Darnold to build off every year. You build a system where 15/20 plays are repeated so often everyone can do them in their sleep. Then you build off of those core plays until you now can DICTATE to a defense like Brady & the Pats do. System continuity is the path to continued success in this league that has so much change every year. Sam will be the best QB Gase has worked with since Payton. I love the fact he chose the Jets & knows he's still facing the best football team twice a year in the Patriots. Except he won't be blovating like Rex, he'll just go about preparing for them and keep everything to football.

[naturalscience]

Was talking to a buddy who is a Miami fan and he said to expect more of the same game mismanagement and frustrating play calling we had with Bowles. 

 

[UntouchableCrew]

2 hours ago, rangerous said:

 

The Jets are hoping spirited practices and competition between the offense and defense in practices will push both sides to be better. There is also a feeling inside the Jets that an infusion of alpha was needed and players like Leonard Williams and Darron Lee could benefit from a kick in the butt.



I've been saying this is one of the benefits of the Williams hire since it was first rumored. Club Med with Coach Bowles is over. Time to dial up the intensity for Williams and Lee.

[The Crusher]

It’s simple, if they can win some Games  it will work if they start losing it will explode like the Deathstar

[Jetster]

22 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

We do this every time we get a new HC.

We hire the opposite of what we had before to the other extreme and everyone gets all excited.

Fact is Gase has failed as a HC and Williams has had an up and down career as a DC...All the rah-rahing in the world isn't going to make this team good unless they have good players.

We need playmakers.

Yes, we do this everytime. We did it with Mangini & those fantastic QBs noodle arm Chad, and Kellen Clemens, and Favre for one year, then Rex and that fantastic QB Sanchez, and Geno, and Vick, and on to Bowles with the great Fitzpatrick, and Josh McCown. 

This is the 1st coaching change we've ever had with a potential 22 year old QB who has flashed huge potential. So, no, this change is totally different than the coaching changes of past years. This time after firing Bowles we actually because of Sam Darnold had multiple coaches who actually were lining up for interviews, that has NEVER HAPPENED HERE! EVER. 

The Jets got Adam Gase (highly recommended by Payton Manning) no one wanted McCarthy except the Cards, the Browns stuck with their OC Kitchens? and lost Williams (the most experienced DC) available & we landed him too. The NY Jets ended up with the most experienced coaches that were available without creating a power struggle. This is uncharted territory for us, especially with a potential franchise QB in Darnold. NOT THE SAME AS ANY YEAR for this franchise.

[Jetster]

13 minutes ago, naturalscience said:

Was talking to a buddy who is a Miami fan and he said to expect more of the same game mismanagement and frustrating play calling we had with Bowles. 

 

That's what Jet fans told Seattle fans when they brought in Pete Carroll.

[JetFreak89]

15 minutes ago, naturalscience said:

Was talking to a buddy who is a Miami fan and he said to expect more of the same game mismanagement and frustrating play calling we had with Bowles. 

 

Talk to a fan of any team that hasn't won the Super Bowl in the last couple of years and you will hear the same thing. Fans complain about playcalling, it's what they do. 

[Jetster]

7 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

It’s simple, if they can win some Games  it will work if they start losing it will explode like the Deathstar

The division games like always are crucial. Gase knows the division. Outside of Brady (if he doesn't retire if he wins another Super Bowl), there are no QBs to fear. Allen is not accurate under pressure, runs way too much, and likely won't last a full season, Tannyhill is already regarded as a mediocre bust. Win the division games, win home games & your in the tournament. 

[KRL]

To me that article is Costello coming up with something during down time at the Senior
Bowl.  I doubt highly anyone in the NFL cares about the dynamics of a Gase/Williams
relationship.  He did bring up a valid point though, I believe Bowles personality
infected the team to the point where they got comfortable with losing.  The attitude
of "we'll get them next week" made it too easy to swallow losses, outside of Adams
and a few others you never saw anger.  I do believe Johnson & Maccagnan made it a point
to bring in a coach with an intense "Type A" personality that will push the team     

[Jetster]

8 minutes ago, KRL said:

To me that article is Costello coming up with something during down time at the Senior
Bowl.  I doubt highly anyone in the NFL cares about the dynamics of a Gase/Williams
relationship.  He did bring up a valid point though, I believe Bowles personality
infected the team to the point where they got comfortable with losing.  The attitude
of "we'll get them next week" made it too easy to swallow losses, outside of Adams
and a few others you never saw anger.  I do believe Johnson & Maccagnan made it a point
to bring in a coach with an intense "Type A" personality that will push the team     

Way too many smiles on the bench while we were losing another game. Bowles Jets had zero confidence in the coaching staff. I'm sure it felt like they were coaching themselves. Strangest 4 years in Jets history.

[FidelioJet]

26 minutes ago, Jetster said:

Yes, we do this everytime. We did it with Mangini & those fantastic QBs noodle arm Chad, and Kellen Clemens, and Favre for one year, then Rex and that fantastic QB Sanchez, and Geno, and Vick, and on to Bowles with the great Fitzpatrick, and Josh McCown. 

This is the 1st coaching change we've ever had with a potential 22 year old QB who has flashed huge potential. So, no, this change is totally different than the coaching changes of past years. This time after firing Bowles we actually because of Sam Darnold had multiple coaches who actually were lining up for interviews, that has NEVER HAPPENED HERE! EVER. 

The Jets got Adam Gase (highly recommended by Payton Manning) no one wanted McCarthy except the Cards, the Browns stuck with their OC Kitchens? and lost Williams (the most experienced DC) available & we landed him too. The NY Jets ended up with the most experienced coaches that were available without creating a power struggle. This is uncharted territory for us, especially with a potential franchise QB in Darnold. NOT THE SAME AS ANY YEAR for this franchise.

No one was hiring Gase....McCarthy will get a job whenever he wants.

We have a QB, I'm confident in that - but that's all this team has.  Little talent, an offensive HC that isn't good at coaching offense, A 4 year GM that has built one of the worst rosters in the NFL.

With all of that said - Having the QB is by FAR the most important thing - just surround him with some talent and this team can succeed.  

But we need offensive playmakers...

[peebag]

39 minutes ago, Jetster said:

That's what Jet fans told Seattle fans when they brought in Pete Carroll.

Name one.

[Beerfish]

I'm more worried about our HC and OC affect on the offense than i am with williams and his defense

[#27TheDominator]

What the **** are you guys talking about? 

McCarthy will get hired whenever he wants?  I think not.  Pretty sure he was on record as wanting to coach in 2019.

Coaches were lining up to interview for the Jets job?  They do every time. I think the unprecedented thing was the number of guys turning down jobs/interviews with this organization recently - Bates refused OC, Studesville refused OC, DeFilippo refused interview for OC.  That is what never happened before, but I think that was based on having Bryce Petty and Christian Hackenberg as your only signed QBs.  Particularly if they were touting Hackenberg as remotely competent.

 

[joenamathwouldn'tcry]

8 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I'm more worried about our HC and OC affect on the offense than i am with williams and his defense

Worrying is bad for your health.  It can lead to intestinal distress and result in ulcers.

[JustInFudge]

I think my favorite part of the defense of Adam Gase being fired in Miami is that "he forced his way out because he didnt like the direction of the organization, he wants to win now".  

Isnt the newly decided direction of the organization directly correlated to the fact the Gase failed?  I mean, he had the chance to change the direction of the team and win now and he failed.  One could argue, he's the reason they are where they are.  Why didnt he just do that while he was there, then he wouldnt have had to "force his way out" to "win now'.

[ChuckkieB]

I'm totally looking forward to having a HC and DC who's sole collective purpose and motivation it to win games and do whatever it takes to make that happen.

[14 in Green]

I think we all feel Williams is going to be a change for the better as the DC. Who doesn't want an aggressive, attacking defense? I think he'll be successful even with the players we had last year. Give him an edge guy and one more good player for the DL, and we could be elite on that side. I can't wait to see this unit on the field next season.

The offensive side is a different story. I'm willing to buy into this urban legend that Gase is a QB whisperer and an offensive mastermind, only because I've been told its true. Honestly, I'm not smart enough to have made that connection from what I've seen in Miami, Chicago and Denver. I'm willing to be a lot more patient with Gase though, because of the lack of talent he has to work with right now. Even if the Jets are able to make additions there this offseason, they'll have a unit with a lot of new faces and a second year QB learning a new offense.

Bottom line? I'm okay with the Gase hire, I think he's a solid, but not inspiring choice. I hope he proves me wrong though. Williams is the exact guy I wanted, but I never expected him to be available, much less see the Jets sign him. My prediction? Because I'm never correct about this stuff, Gase has a successful 10 year run with us, and Williams is let go after a third year of solid play plagued with constant infighting within the CS.

[Jetster]

32 minutes ago, JiF said:

I think my favorite part of the defense of Adam Gase being fired in Miami is that "he forced his way out because he didnt like the direction of the organization, he wants to win now".  

Isnt the newly decided direction of the organization directly correlated to the fact the Gase failed?  I mean, he had the chance to change the direction of the team and win now and he failed.  One could argue, he's the reason they are where they are.  Why didnt he just do that while he was there, then he wouldnt have had to "force his way out" to "win now'.

How many games was Tannyhill injured in those 3 years? I would imagine if Belly lost Brady for that same amount of time over the last 3 years, Miami would have challenged them for the division. Gase has a young QB to work with here, it's like night & day from his 1st year at Miami.

[Jetster]

15 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

I think we all feel Williams is going to be a change for the better as the DC. Who doesn't want an aggressive, attacking defense? I think he'll be successful even with the players we had last year. Give him an edge guy and one more good player for the DL, and we could be elite on that side. I can't wait to see this unit on the field next season.

The offensive side is a different story. I'm willing to buy into this urban legend that Gase is a QB whisperer and an offensive mastermind, only because I've been told its true. Honestly, I'm not smart enough to have made that connection from what I've seen in Miami, Chicago and Denver. I'm willing to be a lot more patient with Gase though, because of the lack of talent he has to work with right now. Even if the Jets are able to make additions there this offseason, they'll have a unit with a lot of new faces and a second year QB learning a new offense.

Bottom line? I'm okay with the Gase hire, I think he's a solid, but not inspiring choice. I hope he proves me wrong though. Williams is the exact guy I wanted, but I never expected him to be available, much less see the Jets sign him. My prediction? Because I'm never correct about this stuff, Gase has a successful 10 year run with us, and Williams is let go after a third year of solid play plagued with constant infighting within the CS.

I think we have success & Williams is tabbed as another teams future head coach is why we lose him. Guy was 5-3 & all 3 games were winnable & Mayfield threw some ill timed picks like the last game in Baltimore.