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On 1/27/2019 at 8:58 AM, CTM said:

I'd love to see it, you make the risky pick in Klingsbury, go all in and get him the QB he wants to run the system 

Agreed! Klingsbury needs a QB with a certain skill set to run his offense.  That being said, I do NOT think Rosen is that QB.

 

They could trade back and still get Murray at #7 thru #27........ who knows how teams view him.

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After drafting Shepard & Foley, if we keep Leo, there is no way in hell we're drafting Quinnen Williams, Ed Oliver or Rashan Gary, amirite? Jets always seem to have a high pick when it doesn't mesh with needs. Bosa is a no brainer but does anyone really believe he makes it to #3? 

I know its not popular here but Greedy Williams is certainly in play. Mo Clairborne is a free agent, Skrine is gone, Tru had a bad year, our CBs are terrible because the past regimes missed on so many secondary guys like Kyle Wilson, Milliner & Pryor.

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4 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Agree I can see them trading Rosen 

If like Floyd Mayweather walked into a Vegas sportsbook and asked for custom odds on the Cards trading Rosen and going QB at 1 (murray) what odds would you offer? 

this isn't a troll, serious question. I'd offer like 7-1 or 8-1 even tho it's probably like 12-1 just to make it seem better than it is

it seems like a ludicrous series of specific events that would have to break just right 


 

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8 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Agreed! Klingsbury needs a QB with a certain skill set to run his offense.  That being said, I do NOT think Rosen is that QB.

 

They could trade back and still get Murray at #7 thru #27........ who knows how teams view him.

This is why I think the cardinals are considering Haskins at 1 overall.  Rosen is a pure drop back web he doesn’t fit Kingsbury’s offense

 

Maybe we offer our first plus Leo to move up to 1st overall and I have get Bosa

 

Sign Sheldon Richardson who is better than Leo

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1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

Arizona will look to deal Rosen so Kingsbury can draft his QB I see the Giants making a desperation move. 

Agree I’m thinking the giants want to make up for not drafting Sam last year

 

Barkley is a nice player he isn’t anywhere near as valuable as Rosen could be if he panned out

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4 minutes ago, bitonti said:

If like Floyd Mayweather walked into a Vegas sportsbook and asked for custom odds on the Cards trading Rosen and going QB at 1 (murray) what odds would you offer? 

this isn't a troll, serious question. I'd offer like 7-1 or 8-1 even tho it's probably like 12-1 just to make it seem better than it is

it seems like a ludicrous series of specific events that would have to break just right 


 

Murray isn’t going in the top 3.  Haskins could

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2 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Murray isn’t going in the top 3.  Haskins could

None in the top 3 is the most likely 

ok so floyd money mayweather walks into the Philc1 casino and wants to bet on a QB going top 3 in this draft, he's got 100k to lose. What do you give him? 

in this draft i can't give him better than 4-1 and that seems ridiculously high. 25% chance basically it feels like 10% but it is fairly random.

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17 minutes ago, Jetster said:

No they're not. Darnold is a better QB than Rosen in that he's mobile & Rosen has cement shoes ala Ken Obrien. Larry Fitzgerald is in his swan song year, Chandler Jones will be gone. Jets have way more upside in 2019 than the Cards.

lets see the Cards picking 1st and the Jets picking 3rd...but they arent just as bad lol..Cards have all pro running back ...allpro cornerback...all pro DE..HOF wr....jets pro bowl safty...only established player on the whole team...what flavor kool aid are you drinkin

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2 minutes ago, redstorm61 said:

lets see the Cards picking 1st and the Jets picking 3rd...but they arent just as bad lol..Cards have all pro running back ...allpro cornerback...all pro DE..HOF wr....jets pro bowl safty...only established player on the whole team...what flavor kool aid are you drinkin

Green of course is there another? 

Image result for green kool aid pics

*not sure if that's the new green. 

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12 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

This is why I think the cardinals are considering Haskins at 1 overall.  Rosen is a pure drop back web he doesn’t fit Kingsbury’s offense

 

Maybe we offer our first plus Leo to move up to 1st overall and I have get Bosa

 

Sign Sheldon Richardson who is better than Leo

I'm not sure that Haskins fits the "run & gun" frenetic offense Klingsbry wants to run either?

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On 1/27/2019 at 10:05 AM, TuscanyTile2 said:

I hope so.  And not that I know that much about these FA OL but supposedly Paradis and Trent Brown are both good OL.  What if we sign those guys and then trade down and get Jonah Williams?  We'd have our OL rebuilt right there plus we'd probably be able to recoup a 2nd rounder this year.  Darnold would be in his 2nd year in the league with an already rebuilt OL.  I like the sound of that. 

The OL has to be priority #1.  Once that's established, we can start to build up the rest of the roster.

I always love this time of year when everyone spouts out the two best free agents and makes it seem like it's just easy and inevitable that the Jets should sign them.

Meanwhile...there's probably 15 other fan message boards with the exact same thought for their teams.

Just because we have the money and the need, doesn't mean we will get them.  Certainly having Darnold helps because we can sell them on a promising future....but we can't just assume that we are going to get these guys and we can't just blame Macc if we don't get them.

In any event, be prepared to overpay if we want them.

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6 hours ago, IndianaJet said:

I always love this time of year when everyone spouts out the two best free agents and makes it seem like it's just easy and inevitable that the Jets should sign them.

Meanwhile...there's probably 15 other fan message boards with the exact same thought for their teams.

Just because we have the money and the need, doesn't mean we will get them.  Certainly having Darnold helps because we can sell them on a promising future....but we can't just assume that we are going to get these guys and we can't just blame Macc if we don't get them.

In any event, be prepared to overpay if we want them.

Of course I have no idea if this is a good plan (maybe these guys are overrated or don't fit our scheme, etc) but I do know our OL needs an upgrade and protecting Sam should be priority #1 right now (early in his career).  Also, we have the 2nd most cap room (I think next to Indy who already has a great OL) so I would think we're probably in a good position to sign who we want.  

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On 1/27/2019 at 10:59 AM, Jetster said:

I don't think Gruden + Carr is working at all. Gonna be a very interesting draft with all the Picks the Raiders have. Could we see Carr moved? I could see a team like the Jaguars interested. 

And the reason why Carr had his best season if they cant work? 

And who in the draft is anywhere near as talented as Carr or has a chance to become Carr?  Especially with Gruden who has never developed a young QB, ever.

If it happens it means Gruden is a total moron on every level 

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Thing about free agency is you almost always over pay. Most all the better free agents want a five year deal at a minimum. Only 2 or 3 of those years are productive before a fall off, so it’s all about the contract how it affects the team in years 4 and on, also does the team have an out. As I recall last off season many top free agents did not get the long term deals and bet on themselves short term with contenders. My belief Mac had this issue with several players last year and may have that issue again. It’s about the long term effect of the contracts not the short term.

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7 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Agreed! Klingsbury needs a QB with a certain skill set to run his offense.  That being said, I do NOT think Rosen is that QB.

 

They could trade back and still get Murray at #7 thru #27........ who knows how teams view him.

That is why if the Cards truly want Murray, they will take him at one.  Trading back for a player that you're already disrupting your franchise for, is not a good idea,  and not worth the chance.  If they go down this road, the only thing that makes sense would be to trade Rosen before the draft. If they play games with the Murray pick they could be left with no one.

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14 hours ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said:

That is why if the Cards truly want Murray, they will take him at one.  Trading back for a player that you're already disrupting your franchise for, is not a good idea,  and not worth the chance.  If they go down this road, the only thing that makes sense would be to trade Rosen before the draft. If they play games with the Murray pick they could be left with no one.

I hope Arizona takes that path and drafts Murray. That will leave us with either Bosa or being the most logical choice for a trade up. If someone wants Haskins .... #3 would be the wise choice in getting ahead of Oakland and the Giants.

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15 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

And the reason why Carr had his best season if they cant work? 

And who in the draft is anywhere near as talent as Carr or has a chance to become Carr?  Especially with Gruden who has never developed a young QB, ever.

If it happens it means Gruden is a total moron on every level 

Last year was Carrs 3rd year right? Aren't they picking right after the Jets? If we're picking 4th in 2021 please shoot me!

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On ‎1‎/‎28‎/‎2019 at 7:08 AM, Bowles Movement said:

They could have had him last year but passed .   You think they want him after seeing his rookie year?

Where would you rank Rosen against this year's class?  If you are on the board at 7, for example, and you could draft Haskins or trade the pick for Rosen, which way would you go?

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45 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

I hope Arizona takes that path and drafts Murray. That will leave us with either Bosa or being the most logical choice for a trade up. If someone wants Haskins .... #3 would be the wise choice in getting ahead of Oakland and the Giants.

I just don't see anyone traded all the way up to the third pick when they can wait until the pick drops to them.  

There really isn't any "hot" qb prospect out there and I don't see anyone wanting to drop a lot of resources to take someone like Murray or Haskins.

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23 hours ago, Jetster said:

After drafting Shepard & Foley, if we keep Leo, there is no way in hell we're drafting Quinnen Williams, Ed Oliver or Rashan Gary, amirite? Jets always seem to have a high pick when it doesn't mesh with needs. Bosa is a no brainer but does anyone really believe he makes it to #3? 

I know its not popular here but Greedy Williams is certainly in play. Mo Clairborne is a free agent, Skrine is gone, Tru had a bad year, our CBs are terrible because the past regimes missed on so many secondary guys like Kyle Wilson, Milliner & Pryor.

If we can't trade down, Gary would be hard to pass up on. Clowney, Williams, Pennell, and Gary. Sounds good to me.

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6 minutes ago, peebag said:

I just don't see anyone traded all the way up to the third pick when they can wait until the pick drops to them.  

There really isn't any "hot" qb prospect out there and I don't see anyone wanting to drop a lot of resources to take someone like Murray or Haskins.

Do you believe Haskins and Murray are not as good as any of the 5 QBs taken in the first round last year?  Because all five of them were either drafted 1st or traded up for.

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1 hour ago, peebag said:

I just don't see anyone traded all the way up to the third pick when they can wait until the pick drops to them.  

There really isn't any "hot" qb prospect out there and I don't see anyone wanting to drop a lot of resources to take someone like Murray or Haskins.

Haskins had a 47 passing TD's against only 8 picks & had 4 rushing TD's. 

4800 yds. Those are impressive #'s for anyone.... better than Darnold, Allen and Rosen. Not sure about Baker.

Big Ben R. body type with a BIG arm..... somebody below the Giants will want that! Even Oak may want that during their rebuild?

Just sayin'......... Young QB's are in demand right now (Jags, Giants, Skins, Miami) & maybe NE, Chargers and Pitt sooner than later.

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9 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

Haskins had a 47 passing TD's against only 8 picks & had 4 rushing TD's. 

4800 yds. Those are impressive #'s for anyone.... better than Darnold, Allen and Rosen. Not sure about Baker.

Big Ben R. body type with a BIG arm..... somebody below the Giants will want that! Even Oak may want that during their rebuild?

Just sayin'......... Young QB's are in demand right now (Jags, Giants, Skins, Miami) & maybe NE, Chargers and Pitt sooner than later.

PIttsburgh just drafted Mason Rudolph and it set Ben off.  Can you imagine what drafting Haskins in the first would do?  The Patriots do draft QBs, but they do it as a commodity -Brissett and Garoppolo played backup and rolled into trades.  I can't see them moving up for one. 

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13 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

PIttsburgh just drafted Mason Rudolph and it set Ben off.  Can you imagine what drafting Haskins in the first would do?  The Patriots do draft QBs, but they do it as a commodity -Brissett and Garoppolo played backup and rolled into trades.  I can't see them moving up for one. 

Good critique of those teams..... forgot about Ben's "hissy-fit" over Rudolph. Some are saying Pats like the kid from Duke as a grooming project that won't hurt Brady's fragile ego. Man I hate that guy soooo much!!

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On 1/29/2019 at 10:34 AM, nycdan said:

Where would you rank Rosen against this year's class?  If you are on the board at 7, for example, and you could draft Haskins or trade the pick for Rosen, which way would you go?

I have never been a Rosen fan.   I think he is immobile, brittle and injury prone, and selfish.

He was my least favorite of the 4 last year.

if my choice was Haskins or Rosen, it’s Haskins.   And I know very little about Haskins

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3 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

I have never been a Rosen fan.   I think he is immobile, brittle and injury prone, and selfish.

He was my least favorite of the 4 last year.

if my choice was Haskins or Rosen, it’s Haskins.   And I know very little about Haskins

I think the cards trade Rosen and draft Haskins.  Giants would be a good spot for Rosen as Eli’s eventual successor 

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3 hours ago, Philc1 said:

I think the cards trade Rosen and draft Haskins.  Giants would be a good spot for Rosen as Eli’s eventual successor 

The Cardinals should do that.  Giants give their first round pick to the Cardinals for Rosen.   Cardinals should owe the Giants something but they won't have to pay up (loss of year on contract).  

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4 hours ago, Philc1 said:

I think the cards trade Rosen and draft Haskins.  Giants would be a good spot for Rosen as Eli’s eventual successor 

That would be odd.  the GM hasnt been replaced and he d be admitting that he screwed up in drafting Rosen and needed a mulligan.  who is giving a first round pick for Rosen based on last yrs performance?

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