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Nice piece.  It was always funny when people would argue with me and tell me how good tannehill was.  He was always a better stat guy than actual QB (a poor man's Eli).  People just like to look at out of context numbers, I argued for days and weeks how he kept us in that game and how Gase didn't trust him late in the game but his numbers looked good.

I was always impressed with Gase from afar, I didn't watch Miami as close as I did the Jets so I didn't see all his warts but he looked good to me.  I knew the hiring wouldn't be popular but I liked it from the start.  Gase and Sam are going to form an excellent pair, he finally has a QB to work with.  He got the most out of the mediocre guys in Miami, now if he gets the most out if Sam watch out.

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It's easier to illustrate the problem Gase was faced with merely by the following:

1) Tannehill played in only HALF of the games Gase coached during his Dolphins tenure. So he's not exactly the picture of reliability.

2) When Tannehill was healthy, his play was sporadic at best. Sometimes pretty good, but mostly below average.

I submit you simply can't win with a QB that limited. This is to say nothing about below average talent on the rest of the team. Gase did his best with a bad situation.

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55 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Nice piece.  It was always funny when people would argue with me and tell me how good tannehill was.  He was always a better stat guy than actual QB (a poor man's Eli).  People just like to look at out of context numbers, I argued for days and weeks how he kept us in that game and how Gase didn't trust him late in the game but his numbers looked good.

I was always impressed with Gase from afar, I didn't watch Miami as close as I did the Jets so I didn't see all his warts but he looked good to me.  I knew the hiring wouldn't be popular but I liked it from the start.  Gase and Sam are going to form an excellent pair, he finally has a QB to work with.  He got the most out of the mediocre guys in Miami, now if he gets the most out if Sam watch out.

lol, npd

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3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

lol, npd

Let me guess, the teddy bear man was one of the posters trying to argue with me? You'll never learn.

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Gase loved Tannehill though.  Never wanted to look for or draft another qb.

So is it concerning that if this article is true, why didnt gase realize this?

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7 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Gase loved Tannehill though.  Never wanted to look for or draft another qb.

So is it concerning that if this article is true, why didnt gase realize this?

Do we know that or was he just defending him through the media showing he had his QBs back?

 

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16 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Gase loved Tannehill though.  Never wanted to look for or draft another qb.

So is it concerning that if this article is true, why didnt gase realize this?

Maybe he already knew he wasn't being supported by Ross in Miami & had an eye on leaving anyway? He gets fired, Bowles gets fired, he goes instantly to a young franchise QB without having to find one. Gase wanted this gig bad. Outside of Cleveland with Mayfield the Jets were the best opportunity for an offensive HC. 

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1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

Nice piece.  It was always funny when people would argue with me and tell me how good tannehill was.  He was always a better stat guy than actual QB (a poor man's Eli).  People just like to look at out of context numbers, I argued for days and weeks how he kept us in that game and how Gase didn't trust him late in the game but his numbers looked good.

I was always impressed with Gase from afar, I didn't watch Miami as close as I did the Jets so I didn't see all his warts but he looked good to me.  I knew the hiring wouldn't be popular but I liked it from the start.  Gase and Sam are going to form an excellent pair, he finally has a QB to work with.  He got the most out of the mediocre guys in Miami, now if he gets the most out if Sam watch out.

Only reason Tannehill had “good stats” was he was a check down artist

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23 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Do we know that or was he just defending him through the media showing he had his QBs back?

 

In 3 years he never tried to address the position.  Either through free agency or the draft.  He believed tannehill was the guy.

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5 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Only reason Tannehill had “good stats” was he was a check down artist

He had a couple of descent to good receivers and RBs that helped as well. 

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48 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Gase loved Tannehill though.  Never wanted to look for or draft another qb.

So is it concerning that if this article is true, why didnt gase realize this?

That's not true.  Publically he praised him, as he should.  But there was talk that he was trying to trade up to draft A QB.  

Have to come with another concern.

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16 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

In 3 years he never tried to address the position.  Either through free agency or the draft.  He believed tannehill was the guy.

Then I guess we can be happy we already got our QB on the roster then? 

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16 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

In 3 years he never tried to address the position.  Either through free agency or the draft.  He believed tannehill was the guy.

Not according to reports

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20 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

In 3 years he never tried to address the position.  Either through free agency or the draft.  He believed tannehill was the guy.

It was almost like Tannehill or nothing for the Fins. Tanny paid him too much money and Gase was saddled with Tannehill.  I think what frustrated Gase was that he knew there was some talent in RT but he was so  inconsistent, had problems with the deep ball, and had a hard time reading the  defense.

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53 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Gase loved Tannehill though.  Never wanted to look for or draft another qb.

So is it concerning that if this article is true, why didnt gase realize this?

Not true, he wanted to trade up for Mayfield if he were available around 5/6. Loved Darnold but knew he wouldn’t fall past 3, and assumed he was going to Cleveland at 1.

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43 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

In 3 years he never tried to address the position.  Either through free agency or the draft.  He believed tannehill was the guy.

He did basically make the playoffs with him when he was healthy year 1 then he missed all of year 2 and they were in the playoff race into late year 3.  

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Looks like an astute evaluation. We will see how it goes in TC.

Keep in mind that Sam will be learning a new offense, with new terminology. In the early part of next season I think Sam and the offense will struggle a bit as they get it down. That's why I am puzzled about all this talk of playoffs in 2019. The realistic goal is getting over .500 and staying there. They gotta walk before they can run. I think they start slow, win some they shouldn't, lose a heart breaker, finish strong and wind up 8-8. A stepping stone season on the way to greatness.

Or they totally suck, Gase and Macc are fired and we are starting all over again! Hopefully its the above.

 

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19 minutes ago, Warfish said:

Got to love excuses.

first of all great read.

but unfortunately this team has gotten me to the point where i am not interested in why. Gase put his name on those 3 seasons, Tennehill or not....and he needs to do much better for the next 3. For the record i think Tennehill stinks...and i hold it against Gase that he stuck with him.

btw if the jets do nothing in the off-season to address the lack of play-makers and offensive linemen i put that on Gase as well....you dont take the job and put your name on it without knowing some of the variables upfront.

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Tannehill his a weird deal.  I think he started out as WR at A&M and didn't take over as starter until halfway through his junior year.  His college coach at A&M was Mike Sherman and it was a checkdown offense.  Sherman got canned and became OC in Miami for Philbin's first two years, before he got dumped and went on to a losing record coaching high school. Tannehill was Sherman's boy, and Gase was probably hired hoping to straighten him out. 

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Gase had to deal with RT's limited style of play, especially since he was a converted WR who only played QB for about a year. Since Tannehill's arrival in miami coaches were limited to his style of play especially with Sherman. Gase had to adapt to RT style of play and many times as seen in other posts RT would not execute properly.  I am not making excuses for Gase but what I do like is that he said he's going to taylor his offense to Sam's strengths and style of play. Time will tell.

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Thanks for putting this together.  Very interesting stuff.  But....

Gase was not a good coach in Miami and his offenses were putrid - at the bottom of the league and got consistently worse each of this three years.

Maybe he can turn it around - I certainly hope he does.

But let's not try and sugar coat it.

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2 hours ago, New York Mick said:

He had a couple of descent to good receivers and RBs that helped as well. 

Tannehill is and always was hot garbage

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1 hour ago, Adoni Beast said:

Not true, he wanted to trade up for Mayfield if he were available around 5/6. Loved Darnold but knew he wouldn’t fall past 3, and assumed he was going to Cleveland at 1.

Plus he decided to bench Tannehill 

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Tannehill has a monster contract. The front office was not going to let Gase find another QB after they just paid him a ton of money. That would look bad


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Tannehill is a mutt and whether Gase wanted to move on from him or not is not the issue.  The issue was bringing out the best in the players you have to work with.  Did Gase do that with Tannehill? I don't know the answer but IMO Tannelhill is / was a stiff and you can't bleed water from a stone.  Definitely looking forward what he can do with Darnold.   

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6 hours ago, nyjunc said:

Let me guess, the teddy bear man was one of the posters trying to argue with me? You'll never learn.

No. Tannehill sucks.

I fall into the camp of watching you use dishonest debate tactics to make yourself feel like you won on the Internet. Then laughing at you.

My reply had nothing to do with your lame arguments.

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1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

No. Tannehill sucks.

I fall into the camp of watching you use dishonest debate tactics to make yourself feel like you won on the Internet. Then laughing at you.

My reply had nothing to do with your lame arguments.

Thanks for your input, as you know I truly value your opinion 😂

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1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

Thanks for your input, as you know I truly value your opinion 😂

Not as much as you value your own opinion.

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