Gase’s Offense; Tannehill Held Him Back; NY Jets Film Review

[Bruce Harper]

On 1/28/2019 at 10:20 AM, FTL Jet Fan said:

Gase had to deal with RT's limited style of play, especially since he was a converted WR who only played QB for about a year. Since Tannehill's arrival in miami coaches were limited to his style of play especially with Sherman. Gase had to adapt to RT style of play and many times as seen in other posts RT would not execute properly.  I am not making excuses for Gase but what I do like is that he said he's going to taylor his offense to Sam's strengths and style of play. Time will tell.

Adapting your schemes to your personnel is what great coaches do.  Surprisingly, a lot of coaches -- who are supposedly at the pinnacle of their profession -- are wholly unable to do this.  My favorite example of one who could is when Pat Riley was with the Lakers and had Magic and company they were a fast-break run and gun team that scored 130 points and blew teams out of the building.  Then he comes to the Knicks, has Ewing and Oakley and Anthony Mason and he shapes an identity where they were a defense and half-court oriented team that would win 87-83.  Even though the Knicks did not win a championship (thanks Michael) he succeeded wildly in both places due to his ability to assess his personnel and adapt his schemes to it.  

I am hopeful that Gase shares this characteristic.  We all know what Manning did with him but I am encouraged by how well he did with Tebow.  I read somewhere that as soon as it became apparent that Tebow might start Gase immediately began to study college option offenses and other offenses that might be more suitable to his talents to adapt for the Broncos.  Was Tebow a  great QB for the Broncos?  No.  But he was a helluva lot better than he ever was for the Jets and he even managed to win a playoff game. 

The sad thing is, though, that none of this will matter much unless we have a good off season, personnel-wise.  If we don't upgrade our OL and pass-rushing it will be extremely difficult to advance, no matter how good our coaching is.

[Villain The Foe]

On 2/1/2019 at 2:27 AM, Dcat said:

You are the one that makes a 100% gigantic assumption that Gase "loved" tannehill when it would have been a huge cap hit of over $24 million.  One might think that team ownership had a say in that decision.  That's big money.  Gase had Tannehill forced down his throat is just as likely a scenario.  He may have had his way with most roster decisions, but  $24 million in dead money goes beyond the headcoach prerogative.   The situation and evidence points directly to that.  

You literally ignored everything I said. 

Speaking of "assumptions", I never said Gase loves Tannehill. I clearly said that he never tried to fix the QB problem that he clearly had. 

You keep talking about dead money, yet you ignored my example of Brock Osweiler and his contract being moved from the Texans after just 1 year. You telling me ownership didnt speak with Bill O'Brien when that move occurred?

How about the Redskins current situation having a massive contract with Smith but knowing that they have to look for another qb. You telling me that the Redskins front office aint considering drafting a QB because of Smith's contract? Really, listen to what you're implying here and stop overlooking two clear examples of teams thay did and is currently doing what you claim cant be done.

If you want me to have this convo with you then you have to stop claiming what I ignore, while ignoring my points. It becomes meaningless to discuss if you do that. 

 

[JustInFudge]

Isnt Gase's job as the Head Coach/QB whispered to make Tannehill better?  If we're saying he was held back by Tannehill (something Gase openly denies as he used the lack of availability of Tannehill as his excuse for losing) but wasnt Gase hired to make Tannehill into a player that doesnt "hold you back" on offense?  So what happened?  

I'm confused by this defense of Gase.  This man openly alienated and ran players out of town he didnt like, no matter how good or how expensive but with Tannehill he was faking it?  That doesnt strike me as Gase's style at all. 

Sorry, it doesnt add up.  Here's an idea; why not just call like it is?  Gase was a failure in Miami.  Bottom line.  The offense was terrible and team won games because they played good D.  This dude had the same record as Joe Philbin and got the exact same amount of production out Tannehill as Philbin.  He wasnt good.  The offense got worse.  Tannehill never improved.  His players hated him, he ran players out of town, the offense was totally confused by Gase's lack of vision and play calling and the Dolphins sucked accordingly.

Why not just say; Gase was bad in Miami and I hope he's better here because the reality is, hope is the only logical case you have to support that Gase will be successful in NY.

[Dcat]

OIsweiler was an anomoly. Using Osweiler's unique transaction as though it were something ordinary and simple to accomplish is ridiculous.  It wasn't worthy of a directed reply.  

[Villain The Foe]

21 hours ago, Dcat said:

OIsweiler was an anomoly. Using Osweiler's unique transaction as though it were something ordinary and simple to accomplish is ridiculous.  It wasn't worthy of a directed reply.  

Now sh t is suddenly an anomaly lol. Who has the excuses now Dcat? It wasnt worth a direct reply because the story you were over here pushing got destroyed. Matter of fact, it got dismantled so thoroughly that you wont even touch the Alex Smith example. 

Alex Smith was given a massive contract, just like Tannehill did. He suffered an injury that would cost him the remainder of the season and the following year, just like Tannehill. The difference? It'll just be another anomaly to you. 

Like I said before you decided to tell me what I've decided to ignore, I dont want to hear these excuses about Gase. All I hear are excuses and him living off of 1 Peyton season when we all know that Peyton is hisnown OC. 

There is no example of this guy developing anyone. That doesnt mean that things cant change, but im not going for people telling me what im ignoring when this dude's career has been nothing but favors from private phone calls issued by Peyton yet every QB he's been able to work with because of Peyton's favors havent developed into anything. 

 

 

[Adoni Beast]

On 1/31/2019 at 12:36 PM, UntouchableCrew said:

"Gase always stood by Tannehill" is the stupidest argument ever.

The year before Gase got there Mike Tannenbaum gave him a 4 year 77 million dollar extension with 45 million guaranteed.

You know what that means? It means Tannehill was the QB of the Miami Dolphins for the foreseeable future. What exactly is Gase supposed to say or do about that?

Game. Set. Match. 

[Philc1]

On 2/1/2019 at 3:20 PM, JiF said:

Isnt Gase's job as the Head Coach/QB whispered to make Tannehill better?  If we're saying he was held back by Tannehill (something Gase openly denies as he used the lack of availability of Tannehill as his excuse for losing) but wasnt Gase hired to make Tannehill into a player that doesnt "hold you back" on offense?  So what happened?  

I'm confused by this defense of Gase.  This man openly alienated and ran players out of town he didnt like, no matter how good or how expensive but with Tannehill he was faking it?  That doesnt strike me as Gase's style at all. 

Sorry, it doesnt add up.  Here's an idea; why not just call like it is?  Gase was a failure in Miami.  Bottom line.  The offense was terrible and team won games because they played good D.  This dude had the same record as Joe Philbin and got the exact same amount of production out Tannehill as Philbin.  He wasnt good.  The offense got worse.  Tannehill never improved.  His players hated him, he ran players out of town, the offense was totally confused by Gase's lack of vision and play calling and the Dolphins sucked accordingly.

Why not just say; Gase was bad in Miami and I hope he's better here because the reality is, hope is the only logical case you have to support that Gase will be successful in NY.

He did make Tannehill better he got to the playoffs one season with him.  Afterwards Tannehill blew out his knee, went 3-0 and then got exposed because he was never good to begin with

[Charlie Brown]

On 2/1/2019 at 12:45 PM, Bruce Harper said:

I don't buy that.  He had to talk him up.  What, is he going to say he sucks when he's the best guy he has?  

Thank you!

Look I didn’t want Gase at all. I was hysterical about the Jets getting a HC whom I saw as an annoying boob of a coach who consistently alienated his best players.  

As a HC I never worried about Gase because I didn’t think that he was any good so I was ecstatic that he was Miami’s HC!

With that said for folks to blame Gase for not turning Tannehill into John Unitas is preposterous.  

Whom else was he supposed to promote at the QB position?  If you are the HC you don’t go far knocking the starting QB. 

Oh and the idea that Gase could have just cut Tannehill and gotten a top tier QB to replace him is laughable coming from a fan base that has waited for a franchise QB for over 40 plus years!!!

You just don’t get franchise QBs at the corner dollar store.  

Gase had to work with what he had and not with what FF folks seem to think that he could do.  

[Barry McCockinner]

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[Charlie Brown]

On 1/28/2019 at 3:40 AM, Charlie Brown said:

Just Great Work!!!

The Post gives me hope!

I was a FOOL!!!  

 

[nycdan]

2 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

I was a FOOL!!!  

 

@Charlie Brown enters his necromancy phase

[jgb]

I give this bump an A+

[GreenFish]

[jgb]

37 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

I was a FOOL!!!  

 

Bravo for the guts to admit it. Repent and Tannehill shall give thee forgiveness.

[GreenFish]

36 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

I was a FOOL!!!  

 

There’s an old saying in Tennessee - I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on....shame on you. Fool me....you can’t get fooled again!

 

[More Cowbell]

On 1/28/2019 at 2:00 AM, JetNation said:

The Jets hired Adam Gase to be the new head coach, and the decision was met with widespread skepticism, of which some have dissipated. The main point of contention is the lack of progress from Ryan Tannehill, and the putrid offensive rankings of the Dolphins when led by the so-called offensive genius.

We break down film from two games (Patriots/Jets) early in the season to show why Adam Gase’s offense is not entirely at fault for the terrible rankings, and why Ryan Tannehill plays a major role in limiting the offensive potential.  We will look at other games from the season as we move through the off-season.

1.

This is a pass that goes for 0 yards to Albert Wilson, but it looks like a bad read from Tannehill.  The Dolphins go empty backfield, with 3 receivers stacked to the left side of the formation, and 2 on the other side on a 1^st and 10 play.  The team is running a pick play to the right side of the formation, while they are running a quick screen to the left side of the formation.  However, look at the defense on this play, because they dedicated four defenders to three receivers to the left side, and threw a linebacker in there to take away the quick inside slant.  Essentially, the entire defense is playing a throw to the outside, while the linebacker inside the slot receiver has the sole function to prevent a quick inside slant.  Once the inside slant is taken off the table, the linebacker rushes the QB since his task is completed.  Tannehill is playing right into this defense, when the other side of the field is set up much better for a completion.  The pick play should cause one of the receivers to break free, and in this case both receivers are open.  The quick slant to the middle of the field is open with a trailing linebacker, and the route to the TE is open as a one on one match up with the safety.  On the outset, this play looks like a bad set up by Gase, but they have the built-in option to beat this defense on the other side of the field.  Unfortunately, Tannehill doesn’t read it at the line, even though his first look is to his right side.  He comes off the read before the pick play even takes effect.

2.

The very next play, and there are glaring issues once again.  The main problem from Tannehill on this play is the post snap read.  The Dolphins have a double move down the sideline with Albert Wilson (guarded by Gilmore), and Tannehill locks in on the match up.  The problem is really the deep safety and that is the biggest read here for this throw.  The Dolphins are running a post route in combination with the stop and go route, and it’s designed to occupy the safety.  If the safety bites on the post, then the outside route will have a much better shot.  If the safety doesn’t bite (as was the case here) then the post route is practically wide open for a sizable gain.  All Tannehill has to do on the play is read the safety and know he’s sitting on the go route from Wilson, so the post route will have a much better shot.  However, the QB takes the deep option with an impossible throw.  The cornerback is only a step behind so anything under-thrown will be contested, while the safety is over the top, thus anything overthrown will be picked off.  The two defenders will converge on the receiver by the time the throw reaches the target area, making a miraculous catch the best case scenario.  They are lucky this ball isn’t intercepted.  Once again, I can’t blame this pass on Gase, because there is a built in counter to this defense, which Tannehill ignores completely.  However, I am going to blame Gase for the route concept from Albert Wilson.  The young receiver establishes outside leverage on this play, while running a stop and go, which is perfectly fine.  The biggest issue is his fake stop move to the outside, which doesn’t fool the cornerback.  Why is he faking to the outside?  He is running right near the sidelines, at which point, Gilmore doesn’t have to turn his hips because there is a very small window for a throw to the outside.  Why isn’t the fake towards the inside, so Gilmore is forced to turn his hips, which would allow for a better release?  Hip manipulation is vital in pulling off a double move and this set up has minimal cause for reaction from the defender.

3.

The very next play, so we’re talking the entire drive here.  Tannehill does call an audible on the play, so it’s not clear how much of the blame falls on Gase and the staff.  The clear first read is Amendola from the slot, who is open for a brief moment at the first down marker.  Tannehill is staring him down from the get-go, but doesn’t pull the trigger, opting to make a difficult throw to the outside.  Don’t pay attention to the throw, since Tannehill was hit as he was making this throw, which is why it’s well off target.  The bigger issue is that he has a receiver with at 1-2 step separation running down the field, but instead picks the guy that is extremely well covered.  This is just a bad read once again, where possibly open receivers weren’t targeted because of terrible post-snap reads.  Another thing to notice is the set up for Tannehill because notice how long he takes to rewind himself, after moving on from Amendola.  This is why Dan Orlovsky was talking about “magical sloppiness” from Sam Darnold, because he doesn’t always need to reset his feet perfectly to make a good throw.  If Tannehiill could have sped up his set up on the play, he would not have gotten hit, allowing for a great chance of completion.   Once again, it’s an audible play so I’m not sure how much of the blame can go on Gase here, but a heavy dose can be placed on the QB.

4.

There are 2 receivers running wide open down the middle of the field with open space on 1^st down, and Tannehill throws it right to the defender, and once again is lucky it’s not intercepted.  This isn’t a complicated breakdown, because the read is the late rushing linebacker.  If the linebacker stays with the receiver, then Tannehill has space to run to the outside or hit Gore in stride for a sizable gain.  If the linebacker disengages the receiver, then you have two passing options instead of a pass or run option.  This is a play that you just can’t miss, and the QB misses spectacularly.

5.

The play call has free receivers to both sides of the formation as dump off passes that should get at least 4-5 yards, if not more, but Tannehill decides to throw this pass to the receiver who is double covered.  The Patriots are well ahead by now, so they are willing to allow dump off passes and defending the deep routes.  However, by adamantly focusing on throwing deeper passes, you are playing right into their comfort zone.

To be completely honest, I don’t want to put his game against the Jets in this article, because the Jets might be one of the worst coached teams in the league.  When reading this, remember Tannehill finished 17/23 with 2 TDs and a 123.1 passer rating.   I’m placing it in the article because everyone here is familiar with the defense.

6.

This play call is absolutely idiotic from the Jets’ defense, considering it’s 3^rd and 8.  The Jets have two deep safeties, with a linebacker dropping deep like it’s an end of the half situation.  The Dolphins have a myriad of crossing routes, with at least two wide open.  There is a two-tiered crossing pattern from the left side of the formation, with the second player easily open for a pass.  From the right side of the formation, there is another crossing pattern with a receiver that doesn’t have any defender near him whatsoever.  The Jets triple team the running back out of the backfield here essentially, as you can see the linebacker (Lee) follow the running back from the start.  This aspect of the play is fine and dandy.  However, Trumaine Johnson hands over his receiver to…….open space, so he can double team the running back out of the backfield on 3^rd and long.  Jamal Adams also is looking at the running and creeping towards the sideline, thus making it a 3 on 1 match-up.  All Ryan Tannehill has to do here is avoid throwing it to the running back, and this is an easy conversion.  Nevertheless, determined to cheer up Todd Bowles, he helps the Jets escape by throwing it to the one guy that is well covered, and the receiver is stopped short of the first down.  On the Jets’ side, there aren’t any explanations for this defense because they let two receivers roam wide open in the middle of the field.

7.

This is another negative play from Tannehill,  as you can see how he botches a perfect opportunity.  The Jets blitz with Jamal Adams, and they have a tight end come across the formation to pick up the blitz on this play action play.  Notice the direction of this play action, as it’s towards the right side of the formation.  The whole purpose of the play action is to draw in the linebackers (which is exactly what happens) and hold the safety (which is exactly what happens).  The play is set up perfectly to throw the comeback route to the left of the formation because the Jets’ defender is giving up space, and the receiver is open for this route.  Tannehill even looks at the receiver as his first read, and inexplicably peels off to the covered options on the other side of the field.  In the meantime, Adams has now evaded the TE, and chases down Tannehill for the strip sack, which is recovered by the Dolphins.  This is another case, where the play design worked EXACTLY as planned, yet Tannehill made the wrong read.  Ryan Tannehill has a lot of tools, but his ability to read defenses is sorely lacking, and it hampered Gase’s offense.

8.

This play isn’t as egregious as the others, but once again you see an opportunity to convert on third down foiled by the QB’s ineptitude.  The Dolphins run a three-tiered slant against zone, and Tannehill has the opportunity to hit at least two of them.  Nonetheless, Tannehill holds onto the ball and eventually gets sacked, when once again the defense had given him a good chance to convert.

9.

How can you miss this throw?  Remember the stats from the game for Tannehill.

10.

Adam Gase goes for the kill shot here, and gets a receiver with at least 2 steps ahead of the nearest defender, and Tannehill flat out misses him.  The Jets are caught in a zone defense here with the safety turned around to the wrong side.  It’s clear the corner-back expects safety help over the top, but it never materializes as the safety goes towards the middle of the field.  If the safety doesn’t go over to the middle of the field, then the slot receiver from the right side of the formation is going to open for a sizable gain.  If the safety doesn’t go to the middle of the field, but Jamal Adams takes the slot receiver over the top, then the outside receiver from the right side of the field is going to be open down the sideline.  You can see how the progression is set up from left to right for Tannehill, but he has his first option wide open.  It’s a great set up by the Dolphins, especially because Todd Bowles is playing “What would I do” defense and expecting a run up the middle with the lead.

Conclusion:

Adam Gase is not perfect by any means, as we will explore later in the off-season.  However, his offensive system was extremely limited by the inability of Ryan Tannehill to make post-snap reads, which thwarted numerous opportunities for easy yardage and first downs.  I’m not making the argument that Gase would be the poster child for offensive innovation with a good QB, but judging by purely stats is an empty exercise.  Tannehill has the physical ability to make every throw in the book, and enough mobility to be a threat in the running game, but his play recognition is definitely not up to standard.  These are just two games I’ve looked at, since Jets fans are familiar with both of the defenses.  I’ll look at other games from this past season as the off-season rolls on to highlight the reason why Miami might trade up in the upcoming draft for a QB.  Furthermore, we will examine some of the shortcomings of Gase’s passing offense as well because he certainly wasn’t perfect.

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[DetroitRed]

We have heard how Sam is the worst Qb in the league and he is total trash.  The 20th best Total touchdown last year  by a QB was Cam at 21.  Surely a garbage QB like Sam could never hit 20 touchdowns.  But, Im willing to bet Sam will hit mark this year.  Remember, he is the worst.  SO, he should come nowhere near that.  Any takers?  

[JustInFudge]

On 2/1/2019 at 3:20 PM, JiFapono said:

Isnt Gase's job as the Head Coach/QB whispered to make Tannehill better?  If we're saying he was held back by Tannehill (something Gase openly denies as he used the lack of availability of Tannehill as his excuse for losing) but wasnt Gase hired to make Tannehill into a player that doesnt "hold you back" on offense?  So what happened?  

I'm confused by this defense of Gase.  This man openly alienated and ran players out of town he didnt like, no matter how good or how expensive but with Tannehill he was faking it?  That doesnt strike me as Gase's style at all. 

Sorry, it doesnt add up.  Here's an idea; why not just call like it is?  Gase was a failure in Miami.  Bottom line.  The offense was terrible and team won games because they played good D.  This dude had the same record as Joe Philbin and got the exact same amount of production out Tannehill as Philbin.  He wasnt good.  The offense got worse.  Tannehill never improved.  His players hated him, he ran players out of town, the offense was totally confused by Gase's lack of vision and play calling and the Dolphins sucked accordingly.

Why not just say; Gase was bad in Miami and I hope he's better here because the reality is, hope is the only logical case you have to support that Gase will be successful in NY.

It's pretty unreal how blessed this board is to have me here and I just truly think you all take me for granted. @Klecko73isGod - to this day, the most underrated poster on the board, amirite or what?

It's unreal.  I just have an uncanny ability to hit the nail on the head over and over again.

 

[JustInFudge]

On 2/3/2019 at 7:27 AM, Philc1 said:

He did make Tannehill better he got to the playoffs one season with him.  Afterwards Tannehill blew out his knee, went 3-0 and then got exposed because he was never good to begin with

I accept your apology. 

[undertow]

I just lost all my brain cells. 

[rangerous]

everything changes.that's what makes it all interesting.  any and all of the mac arguments apply to gase as well as darnold.  but that era is over so let's see if this new group can live up to our expectations.  so far so good but it's not the first time the jets have won the spring.

[Charlie Brown]

In truth this thread reminds me of the Eternal Resilience of my fellow Jets fans and what has me truly EXCITED for the first time concerning the Organization in over twenty years is that I truly believe that our faith will be FINALLY REWARDED!!!!!!!!

 

[jeremy2020]

At least this coach actually had some success as a coordinator

[Lith]

11 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

In truth this thread reminds me of the Eternal Resilience of my fellow Jets fans and what has me truly EXCITED for the first time concerning the Organization in over twenty years is that I truly believe that our faith will be FINALLY REWARDED!!!!!!!!

 

So, is Lucy really going to let you kick that football?  Which happens to be the same analogy that my wife uses every offseason when I start to get excited.

But this time, its different.

[Vudu]

Lmaoo

[nycdan]

36 minutes ago, Lith said:

So, is Lucy really going to let you kick that football?  Which happens to be the same analogy that my wife uses every offseason when I start to get excited.

But this time, its different.

Any man who has been married a decade or more knows what this metaphor is really about

 

[Beerfish]

The beauty of this was that the Gase supporters said 'Tannehill sucks how can gase win with him?'

Then Tannehill goes to Tennessee and is one of the better QBs in the league and it became.

'How could you expect Gase to win and do well in Miami if his starter (Tanehill) gets hurt????!!'

 

[undertow]

Whenever you are arguing with someone on this board just think there's a good chance you are arguing with a former Adam Gase or John Idzik supporter. 

[Jetsfan80]

7 minutes ago, undertow said:

Whenever you are arguing with someone on this board just think there's a good chance you are arguing with a former Adam Gase or John Idzik supporter. 

Not that its a high bar to clear, but Idzik's 2013 draft class arguably brought in more useful talent than Mike Maccagnan's 5 drafts combined. 

[win4ever]

Man, I was completely off with this one.  

Although, in my defense, the issue with Gase hasn't been individual play calls, because he does get people open.  The issue was his lack of ability to develop a QB to understand the defenses to a point that they see it in real time as well.  If we go to Darnold, we'll see the same missing open guys issues, but it falls on Gase.  

Yeah, I screwed it up.  Gase sucked.  In fact, the more positive about something Jets, somehow seem to suck.  I spent a whole article breaking down the mechanics of Hackenberg, and why they were holding him back..........only for Hackenberg to admit no one did a single thing about it.  

 

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

The beauty of this was that the Gase supporters said 'Tannehill sucks how can gase win with him?'

Then Tannehill goes to Tennessee and is one of the better QBs in the league and it became.

'How could you expect Gase to win and do well in Miami if his starter (Tanehill) gets hurt????!!'

 

And now back to “Gase held back Darnold” and the cycle continues 

[undertow]

23 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Not that its a high bar to clear, but Idzik's 2013 draft class arguably brought in more useful talent than Mike Maccagnan's 5 drafts combined. 

Yeah but Idzik looked like the corpse of Tom Petty and it was clear he was lost from the jump like Gase....Maccagnan at least looked and talked the part it took a few years to realize he was horrible.

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, undertow said:

Yeah but Idzik looked like the corpse of Tom Petty and it was clear he was lost from the jump like Gase....Maccagnan at least looked and talked the part it took a few years to realize he was horrible.

I suppose.  Idzik was Peter Principle'd for sure.  But at least he had some semblance of a plan.  Macc had no plan whatsoever.  Meanwhile, Idzik is still employed by an NFL front office while Mike Maccagnan remains unemployed, 2 years after his firing.

[Wit]

4 hours ago, nycdan said:

Any man who has been married a decade or more knows what this metaphor is really about

 

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