MetLife Stadium stinks and the latest Super Bowl venues will make it look even worse

[ZachEY]

On 2/3/2019 at 1:29 PM, joewilly12 said:

How many of those fans in attendance that lead the league are OPPOSING TEAMS FANS at NY Jets home games. 

My father and I have gone on a Jets road trip for 9 consecutive years.  We buy tickets on NFL ticket exchange typically on the Saturday before the game.  2 of those seasons we knew someone with season tickets who sold to us at face value.  The other 7 years, we were on the internet looking though literally thousands of available seats.  In 9/9 years, we ran into hundreds of other Jets fans doing exactly what we do.  Some of whom even post here... Heinz Field, always considered a great home environment, may have had the most Jets fans of any trip we’ve ever done.

Point being, the idea that this is Jets related, and not every team in the league, is pure fiction.

[nico002]

3 hours ago, SAR I said:

Perfectly stated.  How anyone other than belligerent tailgating drunks can say that Shea was a 'great' stadium for football is astounding.

What a dump.

SAR I

Thats... actually awesome? The proximity to the field was nuts. 

[SAR I]

2 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

that's you're take home from all of it?

When you're standing right under it, it looks like the top half with a barely-noticeable tinge.

Also it's just ugly outside and in.

You personally love it and think it's super nice compare to other builds since then, power to you.

What I think is that a 'pretty' stadium is about the lowest priority we need to have as a franchise.  It's functional, it's clean, it's easy to move around in, the bathroom lines are short, the sightlines are strong, it's noisy (when we're competitive), and it does a great job in representing two teams without stepping on each others toes.  And for the vast majority of fans, it's just an image on a TV screen, they don't go to games.  I've been to Indianapolis, it's nothing special, not better than what we have, it just has a brick facade.  Ooh.  Pretty.

SAR I

[SAR I]

2 hours ago, Jet Life said:

Stadium is awful just like the team. I love this franchise but everything about us sucks 

Dear Mets Fans:

Please take your victim act on the road and root for another team.

Thanks,

SAR I

[joewilly12]

Just add neon accent lighting blue/green 

[joenamathwouldn'tcry]

5 hours ago, JetsFanatic said:

 

Where does this figure come from?  I tried to research it and found no evidence of this amount.  I know that Woody invested money into the planning and architectural sketches involved in the pre-planning for the stadium, as well as logistics and advertising costs,  But 100 Million Dollars seems  incredible.  The projected cost of the stadium in it's entirety was 800 Million. I know that sounds low, but 100 million for a project that  was dismissed in its infancy does not seem accurate.  Just curious.

 

5 hours ago, JetsFanatic said:

  5 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

In fairness, people mocked Shea because we were playing football games in an old baseball stadium that was 3 decades old when we moved out. Improved sight lines aside, moving into any stadium with another team's name on it - and locking us into it for so long - just traded one bad thing for another. Love how Woody was cheap for not building a Jets-only stadium in the early 2000s (after spending & losing the better part of $100MM to try and get the WSS done

 

[joewilly12]

Giants stadium was a dump we were renters it was a step above Shea Stadium. 

MetLife a collaboration of 2 NFL teams in the spotlights of NYC the endless possibilities of what could have been.

Retractable roof,state-of-the-art design so much to imagine. 

Instead we got a low budget shared stadium that ranks nowhere near some of the newer stadiums being built around the NFL. 

[SAR I]

2 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Giants stadium was a dump we were renters it was a step above Shea Stadium. 

MetLife a collaboration of 2 NFL teams in the spotlights of NYC the endless possibilities of what could have been.

Retractable roof,state-of-the-art design so much to imagine. 

Instead we got a low budget shared stadium that ranks nowhere near some of the newer stadiums being built around the NFL. 

Says the man that watches the games on his couch.

SHH. Keep quiet. The paying customers that actually make an effort and have been to the stadium are having a conversation. 

SAR I

[RutgersJetFan]

On 2/3/2019 at 12:19 PM, SAR I said:

100% this.

Wah, wah, I didn't make enough money in my life, wah, wah, my baseball and football teams suck, wah, wah, PSL's are the devil, wah, wah I'm a victim pity me on social media.

Shut up.  Be lucky season ticket holders like me pay the bills so you can watch Jets games on TV for free and don't comment on a stadium you've never set foot in.

SAR I

You sound on edge. It's probably from spending so much time in that woebegone stadium.

[joewilly12]

36 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Says the man that watches the games on his couch.

SHH. Keep quiet. The paying customers that actually make an effort and have been to the stadium are having a conversation. 

SAR I

WRONG just because I don't have season tickets doesn't mean I don't attend more home games than you shush SELLOUT MAN

I was a paying customer long before you earned enough money to be and more years than you will ever be there and there were no payment plans in the Meadowlands unlike in Millennial Stadium. 

You give current season ticket holders a bad name lucky I know many dedicated PSL holders who are nothing like you. 

MR.ENTITLED SELLOUT MAN. 

Checkout the PSL's 4 sale    https://www.pslsource.com/buy_new_york_jets_psl

joewilly12

[T0mShane]

I love SAR’s presentation, but the stadium is very bad and unappealing. 

[BCJet]

38 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I love SAR’s presentation, but the stadium is very bad and unappealing. 

Its amazing that he is literally the only person on planet earth continuing to defend the stadium.

Metlife is a disaster for more reasons then just the aesthetics, the "air conditioner" design actually lets crowd noise out, limiting our home field advantage and aside from the mezzanine, the site lines aren't as good as "Giants Stadium" was. 

I dont think we will have another 20 years with this stadium though.  Between legalized gambling and hopefully the Darnold era, the team should have enough success that along with the Giants popularity, can have them make a new stadium with a sportsbook sometime in the next 10 years.  

[Jet Life]

5 hours ago, SAR I said:

Dear Mets Fans:

Please take your victim act on the road and root for another team.

Thanks,

SAR I

Die hard Yankee fan here, so good try. Being a Yankee fan just makes being a Jet fan even harder. I’m used to success.

[SAR I]

3 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

You sound on edge. It's probably from spending so much time in that woebegone stadium.

As one of the loyal fans that stuck with the team during the 2012-2018 dark ages, I get to feel extra special when we turn the corner and get a wildcard next year.  And when we raise the AFC Championship Trophy in 2020 and the green and white confetti goes flying, my tears will hit the floor of MetLife Stadium and one of my dreams will be complete.

SAR I

[SAR I]

3 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Checkout the PSL's 4 sale    https://www.pslsource.com/buy_new_york_jets_psl

joewilly12

OMG!  Out of 18,500 families that purchased PSL's a whopping 223 are for sale!  What shall we do, oh no, what a failure the PSL process was! 

For you lacking a second grade education, that would be 1.2% of PSL owners looking to sell.  Let's start a blog.  Fire up Idzik's biplane.

SAR .

[SAR I]

3 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

WRONG just because I don't have season tickets doesn't mean I don't attend more home games than you shush SELLOUT MAN

I was a paying customer long before you earned enough money to be and more years than you will ever be there and there were no payment plans in the Meadowlands unlike in Millennial Stadium.

You're in that time machine again, friend.  The one that lets you think that the games you attended in 1980 when you had no wife, no kids, and free tickets actually matters now.  It's 2019.  You have attended exactly 1 game in the last 9 seasons.

You may be the biggest Jets fan on TV but you aren't anything close to a PSL owner or season ticket holder.  You quit on the team when the tickets were priced properly and the trips to the playoffs stopped.  How dare you criticize actual Jets fans on the grounds of the type of loyalty that you yourself fail to exhibit.  Shame on you.

SAR I

[SAR I]

3 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

You give current season ticket holders a bad name lucky I know many dedicated PSL holders who are nothing like you. 

MR.ENTITLED SELLOUT MAN.

joewilly12

I sat on a waitlist from 1988 to 2002 and couldn't get seats in Giants Stadium because of blue collar turncoat fans like you who took those $13 tickets and sold them to scalpers and ticket agencies for 5x or 10x face value.  And when I wanted to go to a game I'd have to take the bus from the Port Authority out to the Giants Stadium parking lot looking for a shady scalper to buy from.  I remember many 4pm kickoffs where I'd be all alone with a pocket full of cash, no tickets available, and have to wait in the cold darkness for a bus to take me back to Manhattan, getting back to my apartment just in time to see the fourth quarter.

So don't you tell me how it is.  I tell YOU how it is.  The tables are turned and I'm in and you're out.  We're about to be a great team.  And you're the one in the parking lot begging for PSL scraps.  Enjoy.

SAR I

[SAR I]

3 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I love SAR’s presentation, but the stadium is very bad and unappealing. 

What's funny is that the people who rub me about 7-digit net worth, leased BMW's, and mansions are the ones who want some fancy millionaire's stadium with a retractable roof, solid gold turnstiles, carpeted bathrooms, waitress service, and massaging stadium seats.

What's going on here?  I thought all those rough and tumble blue collar working stiffs like their clothes dirty, their beer cheap, their women plump, and their trucks rusty. 

So I'm the one making the case that a basic stadium is good enough and everyone else is screaming for Buckingham Palace?

SAR I

[NYJ37/12]

5 minutes ago, SAR I said:

What's funny is that the people who rub me about 7-digit net worth, leased BMW's, and mansions are the ones who want some fancy millionaire's stadium with a retractable roof, solid gold turnstiles, carpeted bathrooms, waitress service, and massaging stadium seats.

What's going on here?  I thought all those rough and tumble blue collar working stiffs like their clothes dirty, their beer cheap, their women plump, and their trucks rusty. 

So I'm the one making the case that a basic stadium is good enough and everyone else is screaming for Buckingham Palace?

SAR I

Perfect. 

[Lot K Tailgaters]

The old stadium has sight lines that we will never have again in a stadium.  The old stadium was also built in the center of the Meadowlands with parking lots all around the entire stadium with four gates you could enter.  There were also escalators that went straight to the 100 200 and 300 levels.  Now it’s a mess

Sure some people got better seats than they had in the old stadium but the getting into and out of the stadium has gotten much worse.  There are now basically 3 gates and 1 of them is basically for people who take the train in.  The Jets should let season ticket holders skip the lines by allowing lines for people with Rewards Cards or start using CLEAR like they do at Yankee stadium and allow STHers to sign up for it during the preseason.  I’d rather that then have money on my rewards card to spend.  

[Sperm Edwards]

17 hours ago, SAR I said:

What I think is that a 'pretty' stadium is about the lowest priority we need to have as a franchise.  It's functional, it's clean, it's easy to move around in, the bathroom lines are short, the sightlines are strong, it's noisy (when we're competitive), and it does a great job in representing two teams without stepping on each others toes.  And for the vast majority of fans, it's just an image on a TV screen, they don't go to games.  I've been to Indianapolis, it's nothing special, not better than what we have, it just has a brick facade.  Ooh.  Pretty.

SAR I

OK I already said in so many words?

1. Most important thing is winning not the stadium.

2. If you love MetLife stadium in comparison to others built around then or since, good for you. 

[joewilly12]

Jets PSLs have proved to be bad investments

MEADOWLANDS MATTERS

John Brennan, Staff Writer, @BergenBrennanPublished 2:49 p.m. ET Feb. 24, 2017

 

     

 

 

 

Most Jets season ticketholders seemed convinced back in 2009-2010 that the Personal Seat License prices that entitled them to buy seats were far too high.

Seven years later, it looks like virtually all of them were right - so right that some of them probably would say sarcastically that a Monmouth County man sentenced to five years in prison for scamming Giants fans in a bogus PSL scheme should have company.

Imagine paying $25,000 for each of three PSLs in Section 112, Row 8, Seats 10-12 – nearly 50-yard line seats that now go for $715 per game.

Now try to imagine placing those PSLs on sale today for just $4,500 each – a loss of more than $20,000 per PSL. But there those tickets are on the Jets’ affiliated PSL resale site.

There also are a pair of PSLs for $7,500 apiece in the similar Section 114, Row 10.

If you had wanted to be right on the 50-yard line on the Jets’ home side with the fancy lounge access, it cost you $30,000 per PSL back then. Now, four seats together in Row 18 can be yours for $20,000 per PSL. Or pay an extra $1,200 apiece to move six rows closer to the field.

There are no Section 113 seats listed for more than list price.

Mezzanine end zone PSLs went for $2,500 or $4,000. But seats in either section can be had for as little as $250 per PSL now. Similar bloodbaths can be found all over the stadium – except for the upper deck.

Unlike the Giants, who charged $1,000 for most upper deck seats (and more for the best rows), the Jets did not charge a PSL for those same seats. However, they tended to charge more per game for tickets than the Giants did, so the latter benefited more in the long run.

It’s worth noting that where the cheapest Jets seat used to be $95, the upper deck seats now go for $55, $68, and $88 – with the best upper level seats costing $115.

The Jets also have offered fans with two PSLs the chance to buy two more PSL-level seats with season tickets but without paying the PSL – to the chagrin of some.

 

If the Jets had won a couple of Super Bowls in recent years like the Giants, their fans would have figured to fare similarly well. Some Giants fans can collect up to twice as much as they originally paid for PSLs.

But looking at those distressed prices makes one realize this – while those Jets fans are suffering through one losing season after another, they also are seeing the value of their PSL slide with the team’s fortunes.

As Joe Benigno of WFAN (and Mahwah, formerly of Upper Saddle River, Hasbrouck Heights, and Old Tappan) likes to say, “OH, THE PAIN.”

[UntouchableCrew]

As someone who has never had season tickets and typically goes to 1-2 games a year my biggest issue with the new stadium is that the atmosphere is terrible. Hard to know if that will change when we're good again because it only took until Year 2 of Metlife before the team imploded and became an embarrassment.

The number of opposing fans in recent years has become pretty unbearable too. Makes it hard to go to any game where the other team has any kind of fanbase.

[JustEndTheSuffering]

2 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

As someone who has never had season tickets and typically goes to 1-2 games a year my biggest issue with the new stadium is that the atmosphere is terrible. Hard to know if that will change when we're good again because it only took until Year 2 of Metlife before the team imploded and became an embarrassment.

The number of opposing fans in recent years has become pretty unbearable too. Makes it hard to go to any game where the other team has any kind of fanbase.

Yes. I went to the week 15 game vs Houston this year and even the Texans had a decent amount of fans there.

[section314]

4 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

As someone who has never had season tickets and typically goes to 1-2 games a year my biggest issue with the new stadium is that the atmosphere is terrible. Hard to know if that will change when we're good again because it only took until Year 2 of Metlife before the team imploded and became an embarrassment.

The number of opposing fans in recent years has become pretty unbearable too. Makes it hard to go to any game where the other team has any kind of fanbase.

When 20% of our "new " ticket holders are nothing more than ticket brokers, that's all you can expect. Sad, but true.

[UntouchableCrew]

2 minutes ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

Yes. I went to the week 15 game vs Houston this year and even the Texans had a decent amount of fans there.

That's depressing to hear. I went to Dolphins and Packers last year and obviously they had tons of fans but that's to be somewhat expected with those fanbases. If Texans fans are invading the stadium that's pretty telling.

[section314]

2 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

That's depressing to hear. I went to Dolphins and Packers last year and obviously they had tons of fans but that's to be somewhat expected with those fanbases. If Texans fans are invading the stadium that's pretty telling.

By far, the most upsetting was the Vikings game. We were 3-3, had just won two straight over the Broncos and Colts, and the place was crawling with Viking fans. That sucked.

[joewilly12]

2 minutes ago, section314 said:

By far, the most upsetting was the Vikings game. We were 3-3, had just won two straight over the Broncos and Colts, and the place was crawling with Viking fans. That sucked.

Agreed I was there...pre-PSL's this never happened, the group I went with mainly all Vikings fans bought LL seats directly from the NY Jets so if all these seats are SOLD OUT how did they get them directly from the NY Jets......

Back in the day crowds of opposing teams fans were in the UD. 

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:

Jets PSLs have proved to be bad investments

 

This again?

Two days ago you posted a smoking gun link to the leading PSL resale site on the internet and it showed 223 families were selling their PSL's which is about 1.2% of all PSL's offered for sale.

Do you put the KICK ME sign on your back because you like getting kicked or are you just concussed from the last time?

SAR I

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

As someone who has never had season tickets and typically goes to 1-2 games a year my biggest issue with the new stadium is that the atmosphere is terrible. Hard to know if that will change when we're good again because it only took until Year 2 of Metlife before the team imploded and became an embarrassment.

The number of opposing fans in recent years has become pretty unbearable too. Makes it hard to go to any game where the other team has any kind of fanbase.

1.  Atmosphere is bad because the team is bad.  We are 8-16 at home in our last three seasons.

2.  Opposing fans in a stadium is just the new norm in the NFL now.  Stubhub, cheap flights, good economy.  If it makes you feel better, know that there are a lot more Jets fans in opposing stadiums than there are opposing fans in our stadium.

SAR I

[UntouchableCrew]

Just now, SAR I said:

 1.  Atmosphere is bad because the team is bad.  We are 8-16 at home in our last three seasons.

2.  Opposing fans in a stadium is just the new norm in the NFL now.  Stubhub, cheap flights, good economy.  If it makes you feel better, know that there are a lot more Jets fans in opposing stadiums than there are opposing fans in our stadium.

 SAR I

1. I hope that's the case although I don't remember it being as bad in the old place even when we sucked.

2. I have a really hard time believing that (at least other than Miami -- the Miami stadium is always 1/3 Jets fans.)

[leonwashington2]

1. The atmosphere sucks because we've sucked for a very long time. That takes a drain, and when you play in a massive stadium will be apparent. Our home win percentage over the last 3 years is 33%. Atmosphere was pretty good when Decker caught that TD vs the pats. If we start 4-1 next year and have a week 6 game at 430 vs the steelers, it will be loud.

2. You are allowed to think that the stadium could be better AND still believe that it isn't an absolute dump. To be honest, while it lacks character, I generally find it comfortable and relatively short lines. Good food & drink selection. And I guess my response to people who complain about the 300s being in the stratosphere is: Prior to metlife we had most likely the best upper deck seating in the league. now its more league average. upper deck at new england is a mile away. jacksonville. new orleans. etc. it sucks for people who had great seats, but it was also the best situation in the league for many years. its also naive to think as stadiums have moved to a club culture (to maximize profit) that two new york teams sharing a stadium wouldnt do the same. 

3. A PSL is not an investment. Discretionary spending is not an investment. If you bought a PSL with the intent to flip it you are an absolute idiot. Especially seeing as it had a guaranteed terminal value of $0 (as they will eventually move out of the stadium). Do not buy sports tickets, jewelry, clothing, etc with the sole intent of flipping. it will almost certainly end up being a disappointment. 

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, section314 said:

By far, the most upsetting was the Vikings game. We were 3-3, had just won two straight over the Broncos and Colts, and the place was crawling with Viking fans. That sucked.

MetLife Stadium has 20,000 more seats than the average NFL stadium.  And that's because in the Fall and Winter, Manhattan becomes Disney World for adult tourists from around the world.  Rockerfeller Center, Rockettes Christmas Show, Broadway Musicals, Billy Joel, Bruce Springsteen, Today Show, NBC Studio Tour, Circle Line, Hudson River, Ellis Island, Empire State Building, Statue Of Liberty, Central Park, Chinatown, etc.

So if you're from Colorado, Indiana, or Minnesota and you know your team is only in New York once every 3-6 years and there are games against the Jets in beautiful October, it's the perfect time to take a three-day holiday weekend and see Manhattan. 

SAR I

[SAR I]

1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:

Agreed I was there...pre-PSL's this never happened, the group I went with mainly all Vikings fans bought LL seats directly from the NY Jets so if all these seats are SOLD OUT how did they get them directly from the NY Jets......

Back in the day crowds of opposing teams fans were in the UD. 

The Jets are NOT SOLD OUT because of fans like YOU who QUIT on the team when the cheap seats on the 50 yard line stopped and the Jets playoff runs ended.

Every problem you have with the stadium can be solved by YOU buying season tickets and attending games.  It's fans like YOU that are missing.  Don't blame the people who actually made the effort during the last 7 years of sucking.  Blame YOURSELF.

SAR I

[SAR I]

46 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

1. I hope that's the case although I don't remember it being as bad in the old place even when we sucked.

2. I have a really hard time believing that (at least other than Miami -- the Miami stadium is always 1/3 Jets fans.)

I attended 12 consecutive Jets games in Foxboro and there were more Jets fans up there than in Miami. 

SAR I