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  1. 1. What's Macc's biggest whiff?

    • Not drafting Mahomes or Watson
    • Not trading up for Wentz/Goff
    • OL neglect
    • Failure to get a pass rusher
    • McCown for $10 mill
    • Trumaine Johnson
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    • Re-upping Mo Wilk
    • HACK
    • Airdarius Stewart
    • Balking at trading up for Kamara
    • Other (specify in thread)


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To me, OL negle4ct and pass rush are 1a and 1b.  Every GM whiffs on a pick (Macc more than most).  Every GM has a bad signing or two (Macc more than most).  Every GM has a list of guys he passed on.  But neglect of the OL and pass rush are at the heart of his philosophy for building a team.  OL makes everything else on offense a little easier and pass rush makes everything else on defense a little easier.  Yet, he has completely ignored both in early rounds of the draft.  And he has built or OL by bringing in borken misfit toys from other teams.

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Just now, Lith said:

To me, OL negle4ct and pass rush are 1a and 1b.  Every GM whiffs on a pick (Macc more than most).  Every GM has a bad signing or two (Macc more than most).  Every GM has a list of guys he passed on.  But neglect of the OL and pass rush are at the heart of his philosophy for building a team.  OL makes everything else on offense a little easier and pass rush makes everything else on defense a little easier.  Yet, he has completely ignored both in early rounds of the draft.  And he has built or OL by bringing in borken misfit toys from other teams.

Agreed.  Look at the current O-linemen under contract right now.  That’s after being on the job for 4 plus years.   3 guys with any kind of experience on the roster right now.  Expansion teams had better rosters than this.   

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I don't think you can fault him for Watson because honestly, Watson really hasn't done much. He's good but until he does more than first round exit in the playoffs...I mean the Texans were good before he got there and nobody knew Mahomes would be this good. I can't blame him for having a long plan in getting a high pick for one of the top 3 QB's. Hack is by far and away his biggest mistake,. I was shocked when he made that pick. I figured Hack for a 5th round pick. 

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The Hackenberg pick was disasterous on so many levels. Picking Hack was the reason the Jets didn't even consider drafting Mahommes or Watson the following year. Also, it was a complete waste of a second round pick -- five future pro bowlers were picked between that pick and the Jets next pick (Jordan Jenkins) in the third round. Unlike some of the other choices above, this isn't a case of hindsight being 20/20. The pick was an obvious boneheaded decision the moment it was made, and most sane people saw that.. It was the case of a relatively new GM trying to  show he was smarter than everyone else.

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Ignoring the OL has been his biggest whiff because it spans over four drafts and free agency periods. Hack is indeed his biggest blunder, but it turned out to be nothing more than a wasted pick, which could have been used on OL. If Hack wasn't awful, he'd still be on the team, hogging up a roster spot. 

Macc gets no more passes. He needs a minimum of an A- off-season to redeem himself. I'd rather this board be wrong about Macc, and I hope that people would rather eat crow than be happy about being right about Macc.

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3 minutes ago, dcJet said:

This isn't a flub. 

Macc should have known about Mahomes being MVP?

 

Every mock draft had Mahomes going at the bottom of the first, or somwhere high in the second. The Chiefs took a huge risk trading up for him. Can you imagine us at 6 drafting him and he busted. After the Hack pic, Mac would have needed a presidential security detail around him.

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2 minutes ago, dcJet said:

This isn't a flub. 

Macc should have known about Mahomes being MVP?

 

In breers article he clearly stated that maccagnan scouted both classes and decided to go after a 2018 QB 

Mahomes put up pretty numbers and is fun to watch but nobody saw that coming as evidenced by the Watson pick ahead of him and Buffalo trading out of the pick in the first place 

 

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58 minutes ago, Larz said:

In breers article he clearly stated that maccagnan scouted both classes and decided to go after a 2018 QB 

Mahomes put up pretty numbers and is fun to watch but nobody saw that coming as evidenced by the Watson pick ahead of him and Buffalo trading out of the pick in the first place 

 

Yes, but that's the Job of a GM.  

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1 hour ago, Larz said:

In breers article he clearly stated that maccagnan scouted both classes and decided to go after a 2018 QB 

Mahomes put up pretty numbers and is fun to watch but nobody saw that coming as evidenced by the Watson pick ahead of him and Buffalo trading out of the pick in the first place 

 

Reid and Payton saw it coming as evidenced by the Chiefs trading ahead of the Saints to take him. I would postulate in the alternative that the Jets and Texans and Bills are simply run by people a whole lot dumber than Andy Reid and Sean Payton.

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3 hours ago, Jetsplayer21 said:

Since you brought up O’brien. There was an article written quoting Mac as saying he was scared to death when Texans who O’Brien was now coaching, traded from 1 spot behind jets to right in front of us at last min. Mac was so freaked O’Brien moved ahead of him to take hac of course, and was so relieved he did so only to pick a good solid center in Martin . Which makes you wonder, O’Brien had to be worried mac was going to pick Martin, given how bad our OL/center situation was. Only if he knew mac doesnt care about the OL and won’t draft one until round five, he wouldn’t have needed to pay to trade up 2 spots ha

True but brother...Martin completely sucks.

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5 hours ago, dcJet said:

If Hack is the worst wiff, and only cost us a middle 2nd rounder, then that's not bad.

Also cost the Jets Mahomes or Watson. The Hack pick set this franchise back a couple of years.

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8 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

I think it's the combination of Hack and failing to take Mahomes or Watson. 

These are glossed over at this stage because we have Darnold but the horrendous pick of Hackenberg coupled with passing on Mahomes and Watson to give Hack another shot... Just awful.

The overall neglect of the offensive line is probably up there too.

Agreed. Cause and effect. Shameful that he’s still employed.

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The Hackenberg pick is the reason Mac didn’t wanna risk a top pick on a QB the following season. If anyone did their homework on Mahomes from the Jets it would of probably been obvious that he was a stud. But I don’t think Mac was thinking QB with the 6th pick that year because of Hack. He passed on Mahomes and Watson. What if another team had picked Adams? Would the Jets of picked Mahomes or Watson?  That’s a good question!

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I can't put the full blame on Maccagnan for the oline or the lack of a pass rusher, remember he inherited the problem. The ones to blame is ex GMs Tannenbaum and Idzik, they are the ones to blame. Everyone only remembers how Tannenbaum drafted Mangold and Ferguson but forget how he neglected the oline and got Chad Pennington hurt. People forgot also the Jets last pass rusher was John Abraham, Tannenbaum could of addressed in his term as GM and nothing.

Maccagnan huge mistake is drafting Hackenberg, he tried giving him the chance to win the starting position during training camp. But he saw what every GM saw and knew that he couldn't QB at all. 

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I generally support Macc, but some of these are certainly legit. I agree that passing on Mahommes sucked, obviously. However,  I think this board and every talking head out there overrate Watson's potential. Not so much in the talent department, the guy is clearly really good. More so in the 'This guy is a FQB' stuff. FQBs last and generally start 10+ years IMO. I don't think anyone here HONESTLY (key word here) believes that Watson will be a 10-year FQB starter. Not with the style of game he plays. It either changes or he'll have 4-5 years overall as a legit starter when all is said and done. I'm not spending a high 1st on QB who gives me 4-5 years. Jackson, Manziel, etc...This is my opinion on all these kind of QBs. 

 

The Stewart pick (and Hansen pick) sucked, didn't work out. BUT, they were on a short leash apparently and were cut quickly. Come on, guys. A lot, maybe MOST GMs, keep them a longer, maybe too long. They were bad picks, he cut his losses. It happens. 

 

Wentz/Goff: Nah, I'm very happy with Darnold and how we got to #3 actually. Wentz is always hurt (though good). Goff is an enigma to me. 

 

McCown at $10 mil: Eh. Whatever. 

Wilk/Tru: No crystal ball for 'about to become lazy as ****'. It happens. I'll give Tru 2019 to see what's what. 

Hack: He was trying to be cute, smart, slick, whathaveyou... YEP. Bad pick. Wanted it to work though, obviously.

Oline, Pass Rush, Kamara: YEP! The O-line one bugs me the most as I'm one of those build from the inside out kind of guys. 

 

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