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  1. 1. What's Macc's biggest whiff?

    • Not drafting Mahomes or Watson
    • Not trading up for Wentz/Goff
    • OL neglect
    • Failure to get a pass rusher
    • McCown for $10 mill
    • Trumaine Johnson
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    • Re-upping Mo Wilk
    • HACK
    • Airdarius Stewart
    • Balking at trading up for Kamara
    • Other (specify in thread)


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What is insane about this guy is the best player he brought in is probably his worst decision

1. Drafting Jamal Adams over Mahomes and and Watson (although the Hackenberg pick compounded this decision this selection set the franchise back years)

2. Drafting Hackenberg in the 2nd round  (self explanatory)

3. Signing Trumaine Johnson to a big deal 

4. Extending Mo Wilkerson 

5. Caving into Fitzpatricks demands

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Hack was the worst single decision (undraftable based on his play at PSU) - worse if that impacted his decision to take Watson/Mahomes

but think of the other bad moves erased if Mac traded up for Wentz - they miss out on Lee, but no Hack, no $12m Fitz, no $10m Josh, just more young players on a team ready to compete

Very happy to have Sam but Mac was 3 years late on his decision to trade up for a QB

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It's Hackenberg by a country mile! 

When your so stubborn that you believe something that the person closest to Hackenberg DOESN'T see, your a STUBBORN ASS. 

Now, I believe Macc has done a lot better since & hopefully he learned a lot from whiffing on Hack. As a GM, how do you justify taking a QB in the 2nd round when this particular QBs old Head Coach trades up 1 spot above you & your quaking in your boots that he's pulled a fast one to take the guy he knows & coached in college & instead puts in his draft card & it's an offensive lineman? 

Right at that moment, Macc should have been saying, wait a damn second, the Coach that had him at Penn State just traded above me, not for Christian, even though the Texans NEEDED A YOUNG QB to groom. 

Jets should have taken that as a sure sign they had the wrong guy & scrambled to the next guy in line on their chalk board, but no Macc was smarter than your average bear. Well, maybe not.

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9 hours ago, Ohio State NY Jets fan said:

Hack was the worst single decision (undraftable based on his play at PSU) - worse if that impacted his decision to take Watson/Mahomes

but think of the other bad moves erased if Mac traded up for Wentz - they miss out on Lee, but no Hack, no $12m Fitz, no $10m Josh, just more young players on a team ready to compete

Very happy to have Sam but Mac was 3 years late on his decision to trade up for a QB

The Hack debacle was sensitive Macc overreacting to idiots in the media, people in the FO and jets fans crying that he didn’t draft Paxton Lynch

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Reid drafted Kevin Kolb 36th overall.  Is he an idiot? Elway took Lynch 26th Ozzy took Kyle Boller 19th Tanny took Sanchez at 5. Macc swung and missed on Hack with the 51st pick.  BFD.  

 

 

 

 

 

 It’s a “BFD” because there was zero chance Hack would ever be a successful starter in the NFL. None. Zilch. And everyone but Macc seemed to know that at the time he made the pick.  

 

And this isn’t hindsight talking. No one with Hackenberg’s college resume had ever been a successful pro. QBASE gave him an 80 % bust probability, which was even higher than Lynch and Connor Cook, from that same draft class. The model, which has done quite well at projecting QB’s futures, compared him to Brock Huard, Dave Ragone, Kyle Boller, Marques Tuiasosopo and Quincy Carter.

 

Then, to make matters worse, Macc doubled down on Hackenberg the next season, passing on Mahomes and Watson in the process.

 

That’s why the Hackenberg pick is his worst decision. It’s the perfect example of Macc being outsmarted by the rest of the league.

 

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I’m still fine with the Hack pick- hated it at the time and continue to but it’s irrelevant to me that he isn’t at least the backup and didn’t play a single snap in the NFL- a whiff on a qb are all iterations of the same, Paxton Lynch, Bryce petty, jimmy clauusen - All the same ultimate outcome I E not the guy

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On 2/8/2019 at 10:51 AM, UntouchableCrew said:

I think it's the combination of Hack and failing to take Mahomes or Watson. 

These are glossed over at this stage because we have Darnold but the horrendous pick of Hackenberg coupled with passing on Mahomes and Watson to give Hack another shot... Just awful.

The overall neglect of the offensive line is probably up there too.

Its probably  glossed over because they were seen as project or not best of the class just like the best 5th or 6th prospect. Hell I'll give you 4. But not too 3. Not a big deal he missed. I mean that's like saying damn I knew we should have drafted Brady

 Go of here with this comment. But with you for hack. That's fair. But let's not like everyone knew Watson and mahomes were awesome.

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I say not drafting Mahomes or Watson because when Macc gave up on Geno even before the first season of his term began, he should have made a serious plan to get a franchise QB.  Instead, he sticks us with two journeymen for four straight years while he dickered around with two 2nd and 4th  round projects  that never even came close.  That's the worst thing.

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The Hack pick confirmed that Mac and team were doing zero scouting. 

We saw it the next year with Stewart, and scratched our heads the next year with Shepherd 

This can be fixed, if someone is trying to fix the scouting process right now  

That or just go McShay and Kiper   

 

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Undoubtedly, his worst whiff is CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG. He couldn't hit the ocean he was so bad. It's first day misses like that that will break a team. His picks overall have been below average at best and the yield numbers support that. Overall, even on picks he's hit on they are nothing to write home about, (Williams, Jenkins, etc.)
It seems to me whenever he's tasked with making a pick using scouting reports he stinks up the joint. Whenever, there's a no brainer pick that slips to him he's always smart enough to take him, (Adams, Darnold). That's probably his only saving grace.

Everybody in the world seemed to know how bad he was except Mac. I remember all those articles that immediately said they thought he was undraftable. Definitely not a good sign of things to come. Hoping his new right hand will push him in a better direction.

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So many I wanted to choose.  Not surprised that Hack was #1, but it shouldn't be.  Let's face it, picks go bad and he wasn't a first rounder anyway.

 I think it was a bigger mistake to not bail on him earlier.  If we had, we could have drafted Mahomes and still had our 1st and two 2nd round picks last year to really rebuild the team.

Dis-honorable mentions include:

- Not getting OL help (would have had Nelson if we went Mahomes, or Watson)

- Not getting edge rusher, again could have had one if..

- Resigning Mo and letting Snacks go.

- Taking job where a coach was already selected before he got here.

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On 2/10/2019 at 12:41 AM, Jetsfan80 said:

 It’s a “BFD” because there was zero chance Hack would ever be a successful starter in the NFL. None. Zilch. And everyone but Macc seemed to know that at the time he made the pick.  

 

And this isn’t hindsight talking. No one with Hackenberg’s college resume had ever been a successful pro. QBASE gave him an 80 % bust probability, which was even higher than Lynch and Connor Cook, from that same draft class. The model, which has done quite well at projecting QB’s futures, compared him to Brock Huard, Dave Ragone, Kyle Boller, Marques Tuiasosopo and Quincy Carter.

 

Then, to make matters worse, Macc doubled down on Hackenberg the next season, passing on Mahomes and Watson in the process.

 

That’s why the Hackenberg pick is his worst decision. It’s the perfect example of Macc being outsmarted by the rest of the league.

 

It was having him for a year and not realizing his err that was his biggest mistake, you have it backwards. If he had realized it, he could have picked Mahomes and three solid players last year.

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7 hours ago, jgb said:

Just want to point out that making Trumaine Johnson the second highest paid corner in the league doesn't even register a vote. That's how bad Maccidzik is.

Revis #2.  Signing an over the hill CB to big $ when there are so many other needs. Bowles/Rogers didn't help the situation either.

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I think it's the combination of Hack and failing to take Mahomes or Watson. 
These are glossed over at this stage because we have Darnold but the horrendous pick of Hackenberg coupled with passing on Mahomes and Watson to give Hack another shot... Just awful.
The overall neglect of the offensive line is probably up there too.
Watson was the type of qb who needs a very particular scheme and also had an injury history. Mahomes was a meh prospect who lucked his way into a team that had a Madden style offensive roster. Impossible to say for certain but I do not suspect either player would have found much success with the jets. Also I think it is too early to say darnold glosses anything over he is a good prospect but at this point is nothing more than that

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His biggest flub? Hell you could do a top ten list like Letterman used too.

For me his all around performance is so bad that I can't narrow it down to just one. Yes he drafted Darnold but the other moves outweigh that one so far.

I picked OL neglect because it's Macc's latest and IMO his most glaring flub.

 

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On 2/8/2019 at 2:52 PM, CanadaSteve said:

 

That being said, its funny when you look at who was picked after Hack and before Jenkins, there wasn't that much there. 

 

Did you actually look?  The very next player was Darron Lee only better.  Cody Whitehair, Ngakoue, Austin Hooper, Tyler Boyd, Kenyan Drake, Thuney, Worley, Sean Davis, Byard, Bradberry.  I can't wait until the Jets trade for Carl Nassib and you explain what a great move it is by Mack. 

On 2/8/2019 at 3:52 PM, dcJet said:

I think passing Watson for Adams.  Mahomes wasn't even on the radar with Watson, clearly the better prospect, still available.

 

I don't know which was a better prospect, but at least three guys had threads on here about how we should be drafting him. 

On 2/8/2019 at 4:10 PM, More Cowbell said:

I don't think you can fault him for Watson because honestly, Watson really hasn't done much. He's good but until he does more than first round exit in the playoffs...I mean the Texans were good before he got there and nobody knew Mahomes would be this good. I can't blame him for having a long plan in getting a high pick for one of the top 3 QB's. Hack is by far and away his biggest mistake,. I was shocked when he made that pick. I figured Hack for a 5th round pick. 

We can't fault him for Watson because Watson only made a first round exit in the playoffs?  I think the last 5 QBs Mac was involved with have never even made the playoffs.  Maybe McCown did as a backup.

The Texans won 2 more games last year than they had in any season over the last 6.  They were 1-9 in games Watson missed in 2017, 3-3 when he played. 

On 2/8/2019 at 4:36 PM, Larz said:

In breers article he clearly stated that maccagnan scouted both classes and decided to go after a 2018 QB 

Mahomes put up pretty numbers and is fun to watch but nobody saw that coming as evidenced by the Watson pick ahead of him and Buffalo trading out of the pick in the first place 

 

Watson didn't go ahead of Mahomes.  Mahomes went 10, Watson 12 and as I said above, at least 3 guys on this very board had threads about how we should draft him.  Buffalo management not seeing something is not a vote of confidence.  Nathan Peterman is the Christian Hackenberg of northern NY.

1 hour ago, varjet said:

It’s early yet, but do you think Hacks bad showing in the AAF puts Mac deeper in the hole with the Johnsons?  It should.  

Why?  That isn't the Christian Hackenberg Maccagnan drafted.  From what I read, he completely reinvented himself in Oakland. Then again for the AAF.  Maccagnan couldn't be expected to know Hack would be so bad with his 3rd throwing motion in 2 years.  Could he?

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On 2/8/2019 at 3:10 PM, CrazyCarl40 said:

Based on the choices I went with the OL option. Because it’s been neglected for years. Also, I would put Buster Skrine on this list. That was a total failure compounded by rearranging his money. I mean, his first free agency spending spree 4 years ago will probably have 0 players retained from that splurge. 

I think that is one of the bigger flubs that goes unnoticed.  Not specifically Skrine but the fact that the Jets and Macc doubled down on the 2015 season and basically gave Fitz the starting job and bringing back a lot of those over the hill veterans.  They should've realize they caught lightening  in a bottle and began breaking it down immediately after that.  Not that the Bills have done anything yet but they were at least smart enough to realize that narrowly making the  playoffs with Tyrod Taylor and that team in 2017 was not sustainable and instead of trying to go 9-7 again and maybe getting a Wild Card spot they chose to completely break it down.  Basically all that did was buy Macc two years so essentially the organization looks at this year as the make or break year 3 of the rebuild.  

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17 hours ago, Sonny Werblin said:

So true. What does he have to do to get fired if he hasn't done it yet?

Pretty sure Sam Darnold gave him a bit of a reset button in the eyes of Chris Johnson. 

And now he'll only be judged on what he does starting from last season.  Crazy but that's how I see it. 

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4 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Did you actually look?  The very next player was Darron Lee only better.  Cody Whitehair, Ngakoue, Austin Hooper, Tyler Boyd, Kenyan Drake, Thuney, Worley, Sean Davis, Byard, Bradberry.  I can't wait until the Jets trade for Carl Nassib and you explain what a great move it is by Mack. 

Okay, first off NOWHERE did I defend Mac, so don't presume I am going to pronounce the genius in him because he might sign a player that got drafted after Hack.  The pick should never had happened.  And yes, I do know exactly who was drafted.  IN ORDER: Deion Jones, Su'a Cravens, Mackenzie Alexander, Tyler Boyd, Cody Whitehair, T.J. Green, Shawn Davis, Roberto Aguayo, Cyrus Jones, Vonn Bell, James Bradberry, Adam Gotsis, Kevin Byard, Carl Nassib, Max Tuerk, Maliek Collins, Will Redmond, Yannick Ngakoue, Bronson Kaufusi, Darian Thompson, Jonathan Bullard, Kenyan Drake, KeiVarae Russell, Shilique Calhoun, Shon Coleman, Daryl Worley, Joe Thuney, Isaac Seumalo, Adolphus Washington, Austin Hooper, Le Raven Clark. 

I wanted us to draft Max Tuerk because we needed a centre, and that has not exactly worked out since he is already on his second team and still can't cut it with Arizona.  Out of all the players you list, the most worthy was Ngakoue, who we would not have drafted given who we had on our team already.  I liked Nassib, but my whole point was that at least there wasn't a Tom Brady sitting there to pluck and we passed.  Carl Nassib, in my opinion, does not warrant consideration in the "Oops we took Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp" conversation.  I am not defending the Hack pick.  It was HORRIBLE.  One of the worst in Jets history, but at least it didn't cost us a perennial all-star like Kyle Brady did.  It is small solace, given how brutal a pick it was. 

   

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