BCJet Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 So before 2018, it was that Adams is a one dimensional "box" safety and box safeties have no value. Then he greatly improves in pass coverage, while also excelling as a tackler and now what exactly is the argument? We didnt pass on Von Miller, we passed on 2 QBs that weren't sure things at the time. Would any of us rather have Mahomes and our 3 second round picks, yes, but Mahomes wasnt a sure thing. We got a great player in Adams, would you rather we took an edge rusher like the great Hasaan Reddick or Charles Harris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 hours ago, T0mShane said: THE COMPARISON IS THAT JAMAL ADAMS HAS A HIGHER PFF SCORE THAN VON MILLER AND THEY’RE NOT IN THE SAME UNIVERSE AS PLAYERS THAI Grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 hours ago, FidelioJet said: The kid is a good player - everyone else other than Jet fans recognize it. Sad but true FJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, BCJet said: So before 2018, it was that Adams is a one dimensional "box" safety and box safeties have no value. Then he greatly improves in pass coverage, while also excelling as a tackler and now what exactly is the argument? We didnt pass on Von Miller, we passed on 2 QBs that weren't sure things at the time. Would any of us rather have Mahomes and our 3 second round picks, yes, but Mahomes wasnt a sure thing. We got a great player in Adams, would you rather we took an edge rusher like the great Hasaan Reddick or Charles Harris? When Mahomes was drafted by KC that pick was rated only a "C" . Adams pick was rated an "A" at # 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 It's time to acknowledge that the jets did not pass on Watson and Mahomes for Adams. That weak troll agenda needs to die Right or wrong, maccagnan scouted 2 QB classes and decided to tie his career and the jets fortunes to a 2018 QB including, obviously, Cousins So if we want to discuss it intelligently with facts, we can discuss Adams and Darnold or.... Watson and..... Mahomes and..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Larz said: JamAll Pro haters having a bad bad day ??? That is catchy. Can’t say he didn’t earn it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share Posted February 9, 2019 .....,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 I think Adams is great and a bright spot on our D. Definitely top 6 or 7 safety. I don't know about the 20th best player in the league, or the 2nd ranked safety though. PFF has a tendency to overrate run support and sacks for cornerback/safeties. I saw Adams beaten too many times this year to really to put him in the Ed Reed/Legion of Boom category and he needs to keep improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 11 hours ago, Larz said: t's time to acknowledge that the jets did not pass on Watson and Mahomes for Adams. “It’s time to acknowledge that something that clearly happened did not happen.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 12 hours ago, Larz said: It's time to acknowledge that the jets did not pass on Watson and Mahomes for Adams. That weak troll agenda needs to die Right or wrong, maccagnan scouted 2 QB classes and decided to tie his career and the jets fortunes to a 2018 QB including, obviously, Cousins So if we want to discuss it intelligently with facts, we can discuss Adams and Darnold or.... Watson and..... Mahomes and..... Ellipsis doing an awful lot of work in this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 15 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Ellipsis doing an awful lot of work in this post. If we want to discuss it intelligently with facts, we ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 12 hours ago, Larz said: It's time to acknowledge that the jets did not pass on Watson and Mahomes for Adams. That weak troll agenda needs to die Right or wrong, maccagnan scouted 2 QB classes and decided to tie his career and the jets fortunes to a 2018 QB including, obviously, Cousins So if we want to discuss it intelligently with facts, we can discuss Adams and Darnold or.... Watson and..... Mahomes and..... I think that's directly on point. As it turns out, he was wrong on Mahomes but I still take Darnold over Watson ten times out of ten. And as it turns out Adams is a great player. Either way, all that matters is wins/losses and the pressure is on Macc to fill the rest of this roster with enough talent to compete for a playoff spot this coming year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhead Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Jets did pass on Mahomes and Watson for Adams but that’s because of Hackenbumm. Because of the Hack Mac didn’t wanna go QB right away the next draft - basically Mac was being a pussie! But it kinda worked out cause we wound up with Adams and Darnold but if dumb ass Mac would of not reached for Hack and went with say an OT there then drafted Mahomes the next season at 6 Jets save 3 #2 picks. We don’t have Adams but we have 4 number 2s and a different #1 from last season. All that gets me to this point - we only have 1 player on this list and Hack is a major reason. Mac sukkks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 14 hours ago, Larz said: It's time to acknowledge that the jets did not pass on Watson and Mahomes for Adams. That weak troll agenda needs to die Right or wrong, maccagnan scouted 2 QB classes and decided to tie his career and the jets fortunes to a 2018 QB including, obviously, Cousins So if we want to discuss it intelligently with facts, we can discuss Adams and Darnold or.... Watson and..... Mahomes and..... Littering and... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share Posted February 9, 2019 We could have..We should have..We didn’t.....As the Rock would say “IT DOESN’T MATTER”. What matters is who IS on the roster now. http://www.quickmeme.com/img/87/87579f98a67d2393f71d252540a069cda5badea263fc2fbdb956685dc2bb5943.jpgSent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 14 hours ago, Larz said: It's time to acknowledge that the jets did not pass on Watson and Mahomes for Adams. That weak troll agenda needs to die Right or wrong, maccagnan scouted 2 QB classes and decided to tie his career and the jets fortunes to a 2018 QB including, obviously, Cousins So if we want to discuss it intelligently with facts, we can discuss Adams and Darnold or.... Watson and..... Mahomes and..... Well I am very happy with Adams and Darnold but, to be perfectly fair, it's more like this: Adams and Darnold or... Mahomes and … and … and … and … (3 2nd round picks). That choice even better in favor of option B but clearly nobody could project Mahomes to be what he now is or he would have gone 1st in that draft and we still would have ended up in the same place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share Posted February 9, 2019 Well I am very happy with Adams and Darnold but, to be perfectly fair, it's more like this: Adams and Darnold or... Mahomes and … and … and … and … (3 2nd round picks). That choice even better in favor of option B but clearly nobody could project Mahomes to be what he now is or he would have gone 1st in that draft and we still would have ended up in the same place.BINGO! “but clearly nobody could project Mahomes to be what he now is or he would have gone 1st in that draft and we still would have ended up in the same place.”Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Adams is a good player. I was worried he was a bust his rookie year. Not worried about that now. Not exactly buying the 20th best player in the NFL, and no matter how you spin it, we passed on a great Quarterback in Mahomes, two really good corners in Lattimore and Humphrey, a really good right tackle in Ramczyk, and two really nice playmakers in McCaffrey and Mike Williams. If I'm being honest with myself - I'd take any of those players right now over Adams, even after his good sophomore season. I think the hate goes too far with Adams sometimes, but I can't really blame someone for watching all of those other players do more for their teams than Adams does for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: Adams is a good player. I was worried he was a bust his rookie year. Not worried about that now. Not exactly buying the 20th best player in the NFL, and no matter how you spin it, we passed on a great Quarterback in Mahomes, two really good corners in Lattimore and Humphrey, a really good right tackle in Ramczyk, and two really nice playmakers in McCaffrey and Mike Williams. If I'm being honest with myself - I'd take any of those players right now over Adams, even after his good sophomore season. I think the hate goes too far with Adams sometimes, but I can't really blame someone for watching all of those other players do more for their teams than Adams does for us. Remember the context of the PFF article. They are saying he performed as the 20th best player in the league at his position. Not that he was the 20th best or most valuable player in the league overall. No consideration for past performance, future performance or positional value was included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, nycdan said: Remember the context of the PFF article. They are saying he performed as the 20th best player in the league at his position. Not that he was the 20th best or most valuable player in the league overall. No consideration for past performance, future performance or positional value was included. Well, that's sort of disappointing. You mean to tell me that even if we define 'best' in such a way as to not mean anything at all we still can't get more than one player in the goddamned top hundred? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 6 hours ago, nycdan said: Well I am very happy with Adams and Darnold but, to be perfectly fair, it's more like this: Adams and Darnold or... Mahomes and … and … and … and … (3 2nd round picks). And a first-round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 On 2/8/2019 at 3:25 PM, T0mShane said: THE COMPARISON IS THAT JAMAL ADAMS HAS A HIGHER PFF SCORE THAN VON MILLER AND THEY’RE NOT IN THE SAME UNIVERSE AS PLAYERS THAI Only one of them won Pro Bowl MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 On 2/9/2019 at 11:24 AM, nycdan said: Well I am very happy with Adams and Darnold but, to be perfectly fair, it's more like this: Adams and Darnold or... Mahomes and … and … and … and … (3 2nd round picks). That choice even better in favor of option B but clearly nobody could project Mahomes to be what he now is or he would have gone 1st in that draft and we still would have ended up in the same place. That's fine but you're asking a lot from this crowd ? I still don't know what the jets were thinking signing McCown. Sure he was great for Sam, but if you go into that year with petty and hack fighting it out you are picking 1st with no need to move up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 On 2/9/2019 at 1:34 PM, nycdan said: Remember the context of the PFF article. They are saying he performed as the 20th best player in the league at his position. Not that he was the 20th best or most valuable player in the league overall. No consideration for past performance, future performance or positional value was included. 20th best performance regardless of position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 43 minutes ago, Larz said: 20th best performance regardless of position Sorry. I didn't state mine clearly. I meant it the way you said it but it just didn't translate. Each player was graded against all others at his position. I assume the grade reflects their performance above average in some way for their position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 On 2/8/2019 at 2:40 PM, T0mShane said: And I think this was the scene where he said "you don't know what you're talking about, do you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 On 2/8/2019 at 4:46 PM, choon328 said: You can always tell when someone is 50+ years old bc they use all caps WHAT THE HELL IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenOfTroy Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 On 2/8/2019 at 1:34 PM, BroadwayRay said: The story for Jets fan here is that their team has only ONE player on this list, not that Jamal Adams is #20. Sorry, but some of you, I won't mention names *cough* @T0mShane *cough* are a little out of your mind when it comes to Adams. I think JuJu was also talking about us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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