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2 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

IIRC, it took Doug Flutie about a decade before he got good enough to really make a difference (in a positive way) in the NFL.

Till Jets DC Bill Beliprick shut him down with "the spy". Good times.

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The best league is the lingerie football league, even better than nfl. I hope not to see all those ex jets in lingerie, would creep me out. 

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3 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

NY doesn't have a team?   (I'm assuming every team in the league would play week 1).

EDIT: Teams I'd be most likely to adopt based on city would be San Diego, Arizona and Memphis.  I just looked at the ex-Jets though and I'll probably have to choose between Memphis (Hackenberg) and Atlanta (Matt Simms).  

So you want to pick a loser team with your second chance? Good grief.

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44 minutes ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

Damn.  

Singletary is the head coach?

Hack has no chance with that dolt.

Singletary has the crazy eyes like Gase.

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35 minutes ago, rldev said:

So you want to pick a loser team with your second chance? Good grief.

You didn't hear?  Hack is brand new.

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5 hours ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

1. I’m more of an XFL guy 

2. They don’t have any team in NY or even the northeast

Whats an XFL guy?

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I’m gonna watch the games - as long as I can.  Better than watching the LPGA or maybe not. We will see.  

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Good way to cross the "sports void" (period between the conference championships and the first spring training games)

Of course no NY or northeast teams as they wisely chose all warmer weather climes. Would you go to games here in February or early March?

Just about all games are televised with CBS Saturday and CBSN + NFL net work afterwards

Should end more or less in time for the exciting arena football with new AFL teams in Columbus and AC, plus a Westchester County based team in the minor league NAL

 

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Lamont coaching RBs for the Fleet. Pretty cool we haven’t heard much from him since his playing days. I checked it out and his first coaching gig. Hey, we’ve got football this weekend😀

 

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Actually a lot of NFL coaches and fringe NFL talent. Play might not suck.

No NY or DC/VA team sucks tho, no rooting interest.

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Mike Martz never coached after 2011 in the NFL, was he black listed?

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7 hours ago, Jet Nut said:

Whats an XFL guy?

I guess it would be someone who decided they would watch it when they announced the league. Plus it’s the Xtra Fun League so how could I pass that up?

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1 hour ago, JustEndTheSuffering said:

I guess it would be someone who decided they would watch it when they announced the league. Plus it’s the Xtra Fun League so how could I pass that up?

Just kidding, enjoy the games!

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Let's go Hotshots!
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Anyone who doesn't know the story of the Granite Mountain Hotshots or the origin of the team name can watch the video below.  I think it's a fantastic way to honor a bunch of guys who died serving our communities and our state.  If you're FDNY or have family or a friend who spends his/her time fighting fires then this is your team!  ....and they wear green. 
 
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For some reason I’m gravitating towards Arizona as my team. I’d like to see Wolford, Dex McDougle and Folk hero do well. I’ll be cheering them on with you JS!


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11 hours ago, The Crimson King said:

Good way to cross the "sports void" (period between the conference championships and the first spring training games)

Of course no NY or northeast teams as they wisely chose all warmer weather climes. Would you go to games here in February or early March?

Just about all games are televised with CBS Saturday and CBSN + NFL net work afterwards

Should end more or less in time for the exciting arena football with new AFL teams in Columbus and AC, plus a Westchester County based team in the minor league NAL

 

Yeah there was a heat wave in Utah this week, got over 0 on Thursday.  :)

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I can see the interest for Jets fans in Hack starting. He has played in professional games but not reg season.  Last time against the Jets in 2018 for Phila. And he's suited up for reg season NFL games. I mean he didn't just fail with the Jets but also with the Raiders, Philly, Cincy. And Grudin is the guy who came out and said he was a 1st round pick talent before that draft and then he cut him. I could still see him being very error prone. I don't see Mike Singletary being that patient with him. He's not exactly a shrinking violet. Just ask Vernon Davis. 

 

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18 hours ago, TuscanyTile2 said:

And can you gamble on it?  lol

Yep...I've got a small wager on Atlanta +5 1/2 for the hell of it.

I figured that's a lot of points to get when no one really knows anything about these teams.

So I guess I'm an Atlanta fan?

P.S.  when googling this league at work, make sure you type in AAF.com....not AFF.com, don't make the same mistake I did.

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32 minutes ago, IndianaJet said:

Yep...I've got a small wager on Atlanta +5 1/2 for the hell of it.

I figured that's a lot of points to get when no one really knows anything about these teams.

So I guess I'm an Atlanta fan?

P.S.  when googling this league at work, make sure you type in AAF.com....not AFF.com, don't make the same mistake I did.

I was going to joke "only having to give 5 1/2 with Spurrier coaching is like getting free money" until I realized they're the underdog.  

LMAO at your website typo.

 

 

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Imagine if Hackenburg plays well and the Pats sign him to replace Brady, and Bellicheat, or McDaniels wins with him. As a lifelong Jets fan that would be the same as when Mo Lewis took out Bledsoe. I am not comparing Hackenburg to Brady at all, just the irony of it...

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Think most Football fans will watch initially. If first weekend is competitive fans will return week 2. If games are sloppy and non competitive I GIVE IT 5 weeks before fans tune out.

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20 hours ago, nyjbuddy said:

The AAF kicks off this weekend with 2 games Saturday (Feb 9th) and 2 games Sunday (Feb 10th).  Anyone planning on watching?  Here is a list of players/coaches that have some association with the Jets.

Players
Christian Hackenberg (QB) (2016 2nd round) - Memphis Express
Dexter McDougle (CB) (2104 3rd round) - Arizona Hotshots
Dylan Donahue (LB) (2017 5th round) - Atlanta Legends
Trevor Reilly (OLB) (2014 7th round) – Salt Lake Stallions
John Wolford (QB) (UDFA 2018) – Arizona Hotshots
Jalin Marshall (WR / Return Specialist) (2016 UDFA) - Orlando Apollos
Deion Barnes (OLB) (UDFA 2015) – San Antonio Commanders
Matt Simms (QB) (2012 UDFA) - Atlanta Legends

Nick Folk (K) (2010 - 2016) - Arizona Hotshots
Charles Johnson (WR) (2018) - Orlando Apollos
Zac Stacy (RB) (2015) - Memphis Express
Anthony Johnson (DL) (2016-2017) - Memphis Express
Jeff Luc (OLB) (2017) – Atlanta Legends
Quinton Patton (WR) (2017) – Birmingham Iron
Braedon Bowman (TE) (2016 - 2017) – Birmingham Iron
Nick Novak (K) (2011 Offseason) – Birmingham Iron
Damore’ea Stringfellow (WR) (2017-2018) – Memphis Express
Frankie Hammond (WR) (2017 Offseason) – Orlando Apollos
Drew Ferris (LS) (2015 Offseason) – Orlando Apollos
Obum Gwacham (OLB) (2017) – Arizona Hotshots
Edmond Robinson (LB) (2017) – Arizona Hotshots
Taylor Bertolet (K) (2018 Offseason) – Salt Lake Stallions
Nick Rose (K) (2018 Offseason) – San Antonio Commanders
Kendall James (CB) (2016-2017) – San Diego Fleet

Coaches
Michael Vick (OC) (2014) - Atlanta Legends
LaMont Jordan (RB Coach) (2001 2nd round) - San Diego Fleet
Anthony Becht (TE Coach) (2000 1st round) – San Diego Fleet

Ted Cottrell (LB Coach) (DC 2001-2003) – Birmingham Iron
Ray Hamilton (DL Coach) (DL 1995-1997)– Birmingham Iron
Dennis Thurman (DC) (DB/DC 2008-2014) – Memphis Express
Pepper Johnson (LB Coach) (player 1997-1998, DL Coach 2015-2016) – Memphis Express
David Lee (QB Coach) (QB Coach 2013-2014) – Memphis Express
Steve Marshall (OL Coach) (OL Coach 2015-2017) – Memphis Express
Donnie Abraham (DB Coach) (2002-2004) – Orlando Apollos
Donnie Henderson (DC) (DC 2004-2005)– Salt Lake Stallions
Bill Bradley (DB Coach) (DB Coach 2001-2003) – San Antonio Commanders

I am. 

My dude Mike Bercovici is the QB for the SD Fleet. 

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Is the AAF the beginning of an NFL minor league?  

Oh my, if this develops to be so, I would imagine all the CFB NFL factories that live and die - culturally and economically on CFB - are quaking in their boots.

EDIT:  misinformed, players may not go directly to the league from HS.  Amount of college experience/age, yet to be determined.

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13 hours ago, The Crimson King said:

Good way to cross the "sports void" (period between the conference championships and the first spring training games)

Of course no NY or northeast teams as they wisely chose all warmer weather climes. Would you go to games here in February or early March?

Just about all games are televised with CBS Saturday and CBSN + NFL net work afterwards

Should end more or less in time for the exciting arena football with new AFL teams in Columbus and AC, plus a Westchester County based team in the minor league NAL

 

What happened to the In "The Court Of The Crimson King" avatar?

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Love DC Donnie Henderson "we put our hats on people." 

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Welcome to the Alliance of American Football: 'Hell yeah, I'm playing football again'

 

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Former Penn State quarterback Christian Hackenberg practices during training camp in San Antonio, Tx. for his new team, the Memphis Express of the expansion Alliance of American Football. Joe Hermitt

 

SAN ANTONIO -- Sione Teuhema was so busy relocating someone else's life that he missed the call potentially changing his.

He and his co-worker, Jerry, had a job to complete as movers for Two Men and a Truck in Houston. Bills needed to be paid. Teuhema packed up the truck, then rode along as Jerry drove to the customer's destination before they unloaded the contents into the new home.

The phone call went to voicemail. Only after the move did Teuhema listen to the message from Phil Savage, the GM of the Arizona Hotshots, and tell Jerry about it.

"I told the driver," Teuhema said. "Like, 'Oh, hell yeah, I'm playing football again.'"

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Sione Teuhema quit his job as a mover to pursue his football dream with the Arizona Hotshots. Arizona Hotshots/ Angela Denogean

Teuhema quit the moving job two days later.

The Hotshots secured Teuhema's rights in the player allocation draft of the Alliance of American Football, which kicks off its inaugural season on Saturday. The linebacker is the type of player for whom the AAF was created. He spent two years at LSU, was kicked off the team -- for "a couple off-field incidents," he said -- and resurfaced with the Southeastern Louisiana Lions. He went undrafted in 2018 and participated in rookie minicamps with the Chicago Bears and the New York Jets.

He wasn't signed. He figured football was done and found a job. After a month or so, Savage called.

The AAF is a league of first chances and last chances, of comebacks and closure. Of finding a way to keep playing football and creating depth the NFL doesn't have time to develop.

Players aren't getting rich -- not on their three-year, non-guaranteed contracts worth $250,000. But it is a potential path back to a more lucrative payday. For the majority of the 416 players on the eight AAF rosters, they hold out hope of one day reaching the NFL again or getting there for the first time.

Almost everyone here -- coaches, players, general managers and even co-founder Bill Polian -- has been waived, fired or gone unsigned during their football careers. At some point, the NFL told them they were not good enough.

And yet, they still want to play.

"That's why I call this league 'football in its purest form' because money hasn't affected this the way it does in professional football or other sports," said San Diego coach Mike Martz, one of the few with little desire to return to the NFL. "It's just enough. You're playing this game because you love this game and you like to keep playing it.

"That's why I think it's the purest. There's no other influences other than the pure love for this game."


Denard Robinson was home in Jacksonville, Florida. NFL teams stopped calling a long time ago. Once a star quarterback at Michigan, Robinson converted to running back because he wasn't an accurate enough passer and the league had yet to embrace the type of offense in which he thrived with the Wolverines.

Robinson lasted four NFL seasons, but he hadn't played since his rookie contract with Jacksonville ended in 2016. He had workouts -- notably with Chicago and the Jets in 2017, where he said New York tried converting him to cornerback -- but no one signed him. He appeared retired even if he wasn't.

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Denard Robinson rushed for 1,058 yards and five touchdowns over four seasons with the Jaguars. Timothy T. Ludwig/USA TODAY Sports

Then his agent called and told him about an upstart league. He was unsure. The CFL had called, but he had turned them down. The combination of pay, tax rates and being in Canada, far from his young son, was not palatable. This new opportunity was closer. The money was decent. But he knew nothing about the AAF.

The 28-year-old was sick of sitting on his couch in Florida and flying to Michigan to do the occasional appearance. Yet Robinson wasn't fully ready to pursue post-playing plans. He had sketched out potential playbooks to use if he pursued coaching and had written his thoughts and memories down for a potential book about his life and his time at Michigan, where he's still revered.

He was still uneasy about it.

"Started writing down a lot of stuff and, look, you have a chance to play football again and get paid for it, something you always dreamed about," Robinson said. "Even though it's not the NFL, it's something. Something you could do for four months and if it's not what you want to do for the next two, three years, then get into your life."

So he agreed to play but had to get in shape first. Robinson said he weighed 240 pounds in November and "had a Gucci Mane belly" -- a massive change from his time at Michigan, when he was maybe 180 pounds. He looked in the mirror, bigger than he'd ever been in his life, and wondered, "What in the world are you doing?"

Robinson dropped 25 pounds in two months to reach 215. He wants to get down to 200 pounds eventually, though he might never return to his old weight again. Along the way, he figured this was a real chance. The NFL might see his tape. Give him one more shot.

If it doesn't, he'll play for two seasons, turn 30 and use it as a potential bridge to coaching. It would allow him to end football on his terms. He already began mentoring the younger backs on the Atlanta Legends -- much like Maurice Jones-Drew and Justin Forsett did for him when he was drafted by the Jaguars. He's offered younger players who haven't experienced the NFL little tricks of pass protection and footwork he was taught as a rookie.

"I want to go back to the NFL and this could be something that I could say, 'Hey,'" Robinson said. "Sometimes I get into that coaching mode while I'm here. I start thinking about coaching, like, 'OK, this is the kind of offense I would run.' Stuff like that. If I was a head coach, this is how I would do it, too. If I was a coordinator, this is how I would do it. If I was a running back coach, I would want to learn it like this."

His offensive coordinator in Atlanta is Michael Vick, one of his boyhood idols. His head coach was supposed to be offensive guru Brad Childress. But by the end of the first week of training camp, that changed after Childress abruptly resigned.

This isn't the NFL. Robinson knew that. In a league of first chances and last chances, his new coach was finally getting his shot.


Kevin Coyle walked onto the field at the Dub Farris Athletic Complex in San Antonio for the Legends' fourth practice of training camp. He didn't know that by the end of the day, he'd be coaching the team.

He had planned on coordinating the defense. Yet Childress wasn't there. Coyle was told to run practice. Things happen -- he didn't think it that unusual -- so he conducted the workout.

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Kevin Coyle has never been a head coach before in a career that spans 40 years. Lee Coleman/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images

"Came back that afternoon expecting that it was probably going to be something that was ironed out by the time we came off the practice field," Coyle said. "Obviously it wasn't. Things happened extremely fast.

"Next thing I knew, I was in this position and dealing with staff, dealing with practices, schedules, everybody in the organization now that you have to communicate with, from the trainers to the equipment people to the director of football ops to my friend Frank [Kleha, the team's PR director]."

He's describing this while sitting in the M Club of the San Antonio Marriott Northwest, where his team stayed for a month during training camp. The Pro Bowl is on the television screen behind him. They are a long way from that. Their meeting rooms are in the Sam Houston ballrooms -- the offense is in Salon C -- and a curtain separates them from a hallway doubling as the makeshift equipment room. A sign for weigh-ins says they took place earlier this morning in the hotel's fitness center.

The 63-year-old had been a defensive coordinator with the Miami Dolphins, Fresno State, Maryland, Syracuse, Holy Cross and the Merchant Marine Academy in his career -- and this wasn't how the Staten Island, N.Y. native thought he'd land a head-coaching gig. A career assistant in his possible last chance coaching football ended up with his first shot leading a team on his own.

"Over 40 years," Coyle said. "But it's never been a driving force for me. I really enjoyed being a coordinator on defense, having your own side of the ball that you really were kind of like, you're a general, you have your troops here and you do your thing."

Still, he compiled notes on what he'd do if it ever happened. The night of his unexpected promotion, he took out a calendar blotter, stared at the days and mapped out his vision -- one a little different from Childress'. Coyle added a boombox for music during stretching. Shifted practice times. Altered scheme.

Coyle knows his hiring was a change. But everyone in this league knows glitches will happen; player after player on team after team referred to it as a startup business instead of a nascent football operation. This just happened to be a noticeable one -- Childress is one of a few coaches who left the AAF. The others, like San Diego offensive coordinator-turned-Dallas Cowboys quarterbacks coach Jon Kitna, had NFL or major college jobs to go to.

And that's a goal of the league -- graduate people to better gigs.


Malachi Jones has never played in a regular-season NFL game, but he's seen enough football to believe in this league. The son of former Notre Dame captain Andre Jones, godson of Raghib Ismail and brother of Detroit Lions receiver TJ Jones, he's seen the game at its highest level.

His own path is complicated. After four years at Appalachian State, he was in training camp with the Atlanta Falcons. After being cut, he played in the National Arena League, where he was 2017 Rookie of the Year for the High Country Grizzlies.

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"I just view it as a second chance," Malachi Jones said. "This league, the idea around it, I think it's an awesome idea." Robin Alam/Icon Sportswire

He signed with Albany of the Arena Football League last year, earning Rookie of the Year and Receiver of the Year honors after a 1,156-yard, 29-touchdown season. Days later, he signed with the Chicago Bears at the start of training camp.

Childress, then a Bears offensive consultant, told him about the AAF. The coach said he should play in it if he were cut by Chicago, which he eventually was. Jones, who made little money in the AFL (between $20,000 and $40,000) and worked part-time at his mother's school in the offseason, saw joining the AAF as a multifold opportunity: Make better money. Get better tape. Play outdoor football.

He considered sticking with Albany. He was on his way to becoming an Arena star. But the allure of making it to the NFL was too much.

"I just view it as a second chance," Jones said. "This league, the idea around it, I think it's an awesome idea. It gives guys like myself and other players that have either been in preseasons and haven't had a stint in the NFL or had multiple stints in the NFL, it gives guys an opportunity to get that productive film that maybe a practice squad player might not get."

So he signed. He figures at worst, it's a chance for good benefits, salary and a chance for the graphic design major to take advantage of the league's offseason educational and internship programs.

 

This league is giving him what it's providing so many other people in it, from coaches to general managers to players and even support staff: Another shot at the top.

"It's all about hitting the right team at the right time," Jones said. "Not saying that the organizations I was with prior, that I wasn't good enough to play there or whatever it may be, but I wasn't the right fit at the right time.

"And I feel like if I keep pressing and keep producing great tape and showing teams that I'm a team player and willing to do anything to make the team better, I feel like I'm going to get to the right organization at the right time."

That's the dream of the Alliance of American Football.

 

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2 hours ago, HelenOfTroy said:

Is the AAF the beginning of an NFL minor league?  

Oh my, if this develops to be so, I would imagine all the CFB NFL factories that live and die - culturally and economically on CFB - are quaking in their boots.

EDIT:  misinformed, players may not go directly to the league from HS.  Amount of college experience/age, yet to be determined.

That's their intention. They've stated that they're not trying to compete against the league, but be more of a developmental league, so much so that if any players catch the eye of any of the NFL teams they will not block any player from joining the NFL. 

Hopefully this is a better version of NFL Europe. 

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I am officially on the HotShots bandwagon. I had the privilege of actually meeting several real Hot Shots through a memorial fundraiser several years back. Great people!! GO HOTSHOTS!!


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20 hours ago, The Crusher said:

Yes. As long as I don’t forget. 

CBS 8PM

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