maury77 Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 9 minutes ago, JiF said: That's all fair and I cant really argue any of it. It wouldnt be a shock if Sheppard was a serviceable player next season. I'd still rather have the answer at one of the OT positions rather than a DT run stuffer, which is all Sheppard will really be. Those dudes are a dime a dozen. As opposed to a guy like Brown who didnt let up a sack his rookie season and hasnt in 5 years now dating back to his career at Oklahoma. IMO he has an elite ceiling and ultimately; protect the QB >>>> over stop the run. Absolutely agree re OT>DT, but I'm trying to make chicken salad out of chicken sh!t over here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, Lith said: not great arm length and size for J. williams but not disqualifying to play OT. I wonder how he compares to jake matthews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 41 minutes ago, Lith said: Decent measurement for Williams. I have zero doubt he'll be a tackle at the next level....at least eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 26 minutes ago, Lith said: Udoh is huge. That is some crazy wingspan. Strange that they checked him out at G at the Shrine game and Senior Bowl. I guess being from such a small school they don't think he can handle outside? I read a piece on him somewhere and he was working with Guy McIntyre. McIntyre did some work with those Football University coaching camps, but I'm not sure this is related to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 School Position First Name Last Name Height Weight Hand Arm Wingspan Florida OT Jawaan Taylor 6-5 312 R 9 4/8” L 10” 35 1/8 84 3/4 Alabama OT Jonah Williams 6-4 4/8 302 10 1/8 33 5/8 81 3/4 North Carolina State C Garrett Bradbury 6-2 7/8 306 10 1/2 31 3/4 76 1/2 UNC Charlotte OG Nate Davis 6-3 2/8 316 9 1/2 33 1/8 79 3/8 Wisconsin OG Michael Deiter 6-5 1/8 309 10 3/4 33 1/8 78 5/8 West Virginia OT Yodney Cajuste 6-4 7/8 312 10 34 82 1/4 Washington State OT Andre Dillard 6-5 315 10 33 1/2 80 3/8 USC OT Chuma Edoga 6-3 4/8 308 R 9 2/8 L 9 5/8 36 3/4 81 1/2 Wisconsin OT David Edwards 6-6 2/8 308 9 3/4 33 3/8 80 1/8 Oklahoma OT Cody Ford 6-3 6/8 329 9 3/4 34 82 1/2 Boston College OG Chris Lindstrom 6-3 6/8 308 9 1/2 34 1/8 80 1/8 Alabama State OT Tytus Howard 6-5 322 10 5/8 34 81 5/8 Ole Miss OT Greg Little 6-5 2/8 310 10 1/4 35 1/4 85 Washington OT Kaleb McGary 6-7 1/8 317 10 1/8 32 7/8 79 3/4 Kansas State OT Dalton Risner 6-4 6/8 312 10 1/4 34 81 1/8 Oklahoma OG Ben Powers 6-4 307 9 7/8 33 3/4 81 3/4 Texas A&M C Erik McCoy 6-3 7/8 303 9 5/8 33 77 3/4 Mississippi State C Elgton Jenkins 6-4 4/8 310 10 1/4 34 83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 From Move the Sticks Podcast, Daniel Jeremiah had mentioned that they collected the top 10 OT/G from this past season according to PFF grades. They then went back to their combine measureables to find the average for the top 10 at each position. Here are the offensive line averages for the top 10 players at the tackle and guard positions: Offensive Tackle 6'5.5" 312 lbs 34.25" - arm length 5.09 - 40 (highest indicator for success) 7.69 - 3 cone 26 - bench Guard 6'3.5" 304 lbs 33" arm length 5.18 - 40 7.56 - 3 cone (7.55 target) ?? - bench Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 School Position First Name Last Name Height Weight Hand Arm Wingspan 69 Alabama RB Josh Jacobs 5-10 220 10 1/8 31 5/8 74 1/4 70 Stanford RB Bryce Love 5-8 7/8 200 9 1/8 29 3/8 72 7/8 71 Wisconsin FB Alec Ingold 6-0 6/8 242 9 5/8 31 1/2 75 72 Oklahoma RB Rodney Anderson 6-0 3/8 224 9 3/4 30 3/4 75 3/8 73 Temple RB Ryquell Armstead 5-11 2/8 220 9 1/8 30 5/8 72 3/4 74 KansasState RB Alex Barnes 6-0 3/8 226 10 31 75 75 LSU RB Nick Brossette 5-11 1/8 209 8 5/8 30 72 7/8 76 Washington RB Myles Gaskin 5-9 2/8 205 8 3/4 29 1/2 71 1/8 77 Alabama RB Damien Harris 5-10 1/8 216 9 3/4 30 3/4 72 7/8 78 Memphis RB Darrell Henderson 5-8 3/8 208 8 5/8 31 73 7/8 79 Michigan RB Karan Higdon 5-9 1/8 206 9 5/8 30 3/4 73 1/4 80 OklahomaState RB Justice Hill 5-9 5/8 198 9 1/2 31 5/8 74 7/8 81 Georgia RB Elijah Holyfield 5-10 3/8 217 9 30 3/8 72 1/2 82 Miami RB Travis Homer 5-10 3/8 201 10 31 1/2 75 1/2 83 BoiseState RB Alexander Mattison 5-10 5/8 221 9 1/8 31 76 1/4 84 IowaState RB David Montgomery 5-10 1/8 222 9 1/4 31 3/8 77 3/8 85 AppalachianState RB Jalin Moore 5-10 212 9 1/4 32 3/8 77 7/8 86 Pittsburgh RB Qadree Ollison 6-0 5/8 228 9 5/8 31 1/2 76 1/2 87 Memphis RB Tony Pollard 5-11 5/8 210 9 1/2 30 73 3/4 88 PennState RB Miles Sanders 5-10 5/8 211 9 1/4 30 5/8 74 5/8 89 Florida RB Jordan Scarlett 5-10 5/8 208 8 7/8 30 3/8 72 3/8 90 MichiganState RB LJ Scott 6-0 3/8 227 9 3/8 32 1/8 77 1/2 91 FloridaAtlantic RB Devin Singletary 5-7 4/8 203 8 1/2 28 7/8 70 92 Kentucky RB Benny Snell 5-10 3/8 224 9 3/8 31 74 1/4 93 OhioState RB Mike Weber 5-9 5/8 211 9 3/8 29 3/4 72 1/4 94 NotreDame RB Dexter Williams 5-11 212 8 7/8 / 9 5/8 32 1/4 76 7/8 95 WashingtonState RB James Williams 5-9 4/8 197 9 3/8 30 3/8 73 96 TexasA&M RB Trayveon Williams 5-8 1/8 206 9 1/4 30 3/8 74 1/8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 Jonah really isn't that far off some of the other prospects that are getting buzz. Taylor and Little are huge, but Cajuste and Ford, for example, are only a half inch bigger in arm length and less than an inch in wingspan. JW is one of the lightest guys in the group though and I'm not sure if that's a factor in how teams look at OTs, particularly since it's only a few pounds off from most of the others (except Ford who is a load). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 On February 25, 2019 at 3:37 PM, #27TheDominator said: Nobody cares about the 40 time of offensive linemen. They care about the splits and Brown's was predictably poor. Who else has this happened to? Andre Smith? Boobs McGee sucked at the combine, but he still went 6th overall. The "stud OT's" don't move inside unless they suck when tried outside (Scherff) or have short arms (Forrest Lamp). Not true it really depends on the blocking scheme how important the 40 time for offensive lineman . You are a zone blocking scheme you want tall tackles that can move. The bench press is important test for offense tackles as well. Take Raiders Ot Kolton Miller they drafted with their first pick last year. He rarely was beat by speed, but he had major trouble with power. Once he gets much stronger , his pass protection should improve immensely . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Raideraholic said: Not true it really depends on the blocking scheme how important the 40 time for offensive lineman . You are a zone blocking scheme you want tall tackles that can move. The bench press is important test for offense tackles as well. Take Raiders Ot Kolton Miller they drafted with their first pick last year. He rarely was beat by speed, but he had major trouble with power. Once he gets much stronger , his pass protection should improve immensely . Nobody said that speed and strength are not important. Especially not me. OTOH, as previously discussed, the 40 and bench are not the best gauge for oline. Being able to move for a tackle isn't going to be judged by a 40, but more likely the 10 or 20 yard split and then the agility drills. Bench is a nice test, but you'd rather a guy with longer arms, even if that means his bench (or reps) will go down. Kolton Miller was the #1 SPARQ guy last year. His bench was low, but that goes with having 34" arms. You will note that almost all of the guys over 30 reps were 32" or under arm length. De Beers was one exception. I am interested in the Jeremiah stuff that @nyjbuddy posted saying that 40 is the highest predictor for success, but most time the 10 yard split and 40 correlate fairly closely from what I've read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted February 27, 2019 Share Posted February 27, 2019 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: Nobody said that speed and strength are not important. Especially not me. OTOH, as previously discussed, the 40 and bench are not the best gauge for oline. Being able to move for a tackle isn't going to be judged by a 40, but more likely the 10 or 20 yard split and then the agility drills. Bench is a nice test, but you'd rather a guy with longer arms, even if that means his bench (or reps) will go down. Kolton Miller was the #1 SPARQ guy last year. His bench was low, but that goes with having 34" arms. You will note that almost all of the guys over 30 reps were 32" or under arm length. De Beers was one exception. I am interested in the Jeremiah stuff that @nyjbuddy posted saying that 40 is the highest predictor for success, but most time the 10 yard split and 40 correlate fairly closely from what I've read. Here is the exact quote (not much information): Move the Sticks Podcast (How technology will impact the future of the Draft process) - 2/21/2019 30:37 - "And interesting thing, I was talking to a general manager the other day, and uh said you know everybody always kinda laughs at the 40 for offensive lineman. When are you going to run a 40? Everybody makes their jokes, it's stupid, it doesn't correlate to football. He said, he said, this was a while ago, it's been a couple years, we did a study on it and he said absolutely, 100 percent the 40 ended up being one of the highest indicators uh for success when they were looking at offensive lineman. So there are teams that really, really believe in the 40. Now whether a guy is going to run 40 yards in a play or not, I don't know. Not gonna happen very often but it does show you a little bit of stamina, shows you some of that initial burst and can they carry that um, there its not a throwaway number is what I'm getting at." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 2 hours ago, nyjbuddy said: Here is the exact quote (not much information): Move the Sticks Podcast (How technology will impact the future of the Draft process) - 2/21/2019 30:37 - "And interesting thing, I was talking to a general manager the other day, and uh said you know everybody always kinda laughs at the 40 for offensive lineman. When are you going to run a 40? Everybody makes their jokes, it's stupid, it doesn't correlate to football. He said, he said, this was a while ago, it's been a couple years, we did a study on it and he said absolutely, 100 percent the 40 ended up being one of the highest indicators uh for success when they were looking at offensive lineman. So there are teams that really, really believe in the 40. Now whether a guy is going to run 40 yards in a play or not, I don't know. Not gonna happen very often but it does show you a little bit of stamina, shows you some of that initial burst and can they carry that um, there its not a throwaway number is what I'm getting at." I’ve been thinking about that, I wonder with certain positions like OL if the guys that put up good 40 times are just showing a better work ethic with regards to their training and dedication. it doesn’t really stand to reason as to why it would make a difference on the field otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 9 hours ago, nyjbuddy said: From Move the Sticks Podcast, Daniel Jeremiah had mentioned that they collected the top 10 OT/G from this past season according to PFF grades. They then went back to their combine measureables to find the average for the top 10 at each position. Here are the offensive line averages for the top 10 players at the tackle and guard positions: Offensive Tackle 6'5.5" 312 lbs 34.25" - arm length 5.09 - 40 (highest indicator for success) 7.69 - 3 cone 26 - bench Guard 6'3.5" 304 lbs 33" arm length 5.18 - 40 7.56 - 3 cone (7.55 target) ?? - bench Jeremiah was on Joe and Evan today he is in love with all 3 Allen, Quinnen Williams and Bosa Macc had better stay at 3 unless he gets an insanely great offer which he won’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, Lith said: Im good with Snell. Think Avery Williamson was saying he talked to Snell and would want the JETS to draft him. Of course it probably is not too realistic without a 2nd rd pick 92 Kentucky RB Benny Snell 5-10 3/8 224 9 3/8 31 74 1/4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RobR Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 37 minutes ago, Lith said: You're missing the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 46 minutes ago, RobR said: You're missing the game! That was between periods. And what a great game it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Lith said: That was between periods. And what a great game it was. Not to derail this thread anymore but I'm pumped right now. Good ole ass kicking with a GREAT crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Oliver measuring bigger than expected: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Lith said: Oliver measuring bigger than expected: I still think that if Oliver passes the 'smell test" with teams in his interviews that he will be the guy that shakes up the top of this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Lith said: Oliver measuring bigger than expected: short arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 2 hours ago, section314 said: I still think that if Oliver passes the 'smell test" with teams in his interviews that he will be the guy that shakes up the top of this draft. Absolutely 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Benny Snell ran a 4.65 disappointing, I was hoping for something just a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cant wait Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Benny Snell ran a 4.65 disappointing, I was hoping for something just a bit better. not too concerned, kareem hunt ran a 4.62 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: But then the "official" came in at 4.48 I think... How could the unofficial have been so far off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 26 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Benny Snell ran a 4.65 disappointing, I was hoping for something just a bit better. That's about what I expected him to run because he plays slow on tape. If we draft a RB this year I sure as hell hope it's not him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 24 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Time to get on the Henderson train, guy is a beast. If we do draft a RB this year I would be ecstatic if it was him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobR Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Chris Lidstrom the OG from BC is going to be a beast at the next level. Wouldn't mind grabbing him in the second if we could somehow recoup that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Sam’s ex-teammate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Why the hell do they have o-linemen run the 40? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: Why the hell do they have o-linemen run the 40? If they don’t it makes the combine look like a waste of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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