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5 hours ago, kelticwizard said:

Because mouthing off to a cop during an arrest for reckless driving, while not good, isn't the same as punching people?  Yeah, I think that's it.

This is the NFL, not the Vatican. If he pays his dues and the NFL allows him to play, who are you to judge him. This team needs a lot of players, and signing Hunt to a reasonable contract would have been a wise move. Much better than giving Bell 15 million a year, that money could be used to fill holes elsewhere.

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26 minutes ago, JetFreak89 said:

Point remains that while Mac and Bowles were putting lipstick on a pig and trying to eek out wins with Fitzpatrick and McCown, the Browns committed to a proper rebuild the right way. Utilizing their assets to improve their draft stock and put building blocks in place. Now they have a better overall roster than the Jets, something that may posters (probably yourself included) thought would be impossible two or three years ago. Sorry this hurts your frail ego. 

The "proper way" as far as the Brown's method goes was to accrue a record of 45 wins versus 130 losses since 2008.  That is an astounding record and is the key to their ability to put "building blocks" in place.  That's 11 seasons of draft picks at the top of every round, enabling them to pick the best of the "can't miss" prospects and also allowing them to consistently trade down from those lofty positions to garner extra picks.  This commitment to losing year after year is the biggest reason for their roster "superiority" that they enjoy now.  I can't celebrate that as some sort of major accomplishment, sorry.  Regards, my friend.

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40 minutes ago, JetFreak89 said:


Yeah, because the Browns, who have essentially struggled for their entire existence and are the laughing stock of the NFL for how long now, were just guaranteed to turn the corner in this past year.

You're really showing your intelligence here.

Point remains that while Mac and Bowles were putting lipstick on a pig and trying to eek out wins with Fitzpatrick and McCown, the Browns committed to a proper rebuild the right way. Utilizing their assets to improve their draft stock and put building blocks in place. Now they have a better overall roster than the Jets, something that may posters (probably yourself included) thought would be impossible two or three years ago. Sorry this hurts your frail ego.


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Actually, it was an absolute guarantee that a 0-win team would eventually improve upon their record, as long as the NFL didn't go out of business.  Meanwhile, they still haven't had a winning season in 11 years, but you go right on ahead and let everyone else know that, despite how terrible they were in the years you said they'd be good, it actually makes you the most right of everyone once they finally stopped being the very worst in league history, while still having accomplished absolutely nothing.

The Jets could be sporting the league's worst AAF team right now, and it would still have no impact on your need for self-celebration about something you were wrong about at the time you made the argument.  But hey, I'm sure the changes to the entire front office, coaching staff, and roster that all needed to be made between those times surely had nothing to do with any of it.  It was your unmatched foresight that really brought it all together.

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13 hours ago, HelenOfTroy said:

That is sad.

Some football fans are sick.  A lot of sports fans are sick.  I dont believe in second chances for every transgression.  Sorry.  And I am no goody two shoes but I do not reward someone who beats women.  It is morality--pure and simple.  Sports fans often keep morality on the back burner--even sneer at it.  They are desperate, tormented souls.  Winning is all that counts.  Souls for sale.

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2 hours ago, jack48 said:

Some football fans are sick.  A lot of sports fans are sick.  I dont believe in second chances for every transgression.  Sorry.  And I am no goody two shoes but I do not reward someone who beats women.  It is morality--pure and simple.  Sports fans often keep morality on the back burner--even sneer at it.  They are desperate, tormented souls.  Winning is all that counts.  Souls for sale.

Yes, and we also have people like you who want to impose your moral views on us. No need to look at facts, police reports or laws, just be a judge based on your moral values. But hey, if you're going to be a judge, why not be a hanging judge? No second chances! You've been offended! Do you realize your moral outrage is yours, and your need to judge others based on it is nothing but virtue signaling? 

The police interviewed all parties involved, viewed the tape, and didn't arrest or charge Hunt.

Its hard to justify Hunt's actions, and as the father of a daughter, I have no desire to try. That said, if that was my daughter in that video, I'd be as upset with her as I'd be with Hunt. She was clearly the aggressor, and her behavior escalated the situation to the point where unless hotel security could intervene, there would be  a bad outcome. She was physically violent, and out of control verbally. She struck people, and used the N word.

Explain to me how a young girl, who at the least was very drunk, out at 130 in the morning, arguing like that with strangers her age in front of the hotel room the strangers were staying in, is an innocent victim. Yes she fell to the ground, but she wasn't the one pushed. Someone was pushed into her. Then we get to Hunt's "pummeling of her" as someone described it. She is crouching, and he disgustedly knocks her off balance and she topples over.

Nobody comes out of this looking good, but as I said nobody comes out looking like a victim either. Put any group of young people in a situation like that night, and the outcome could be a lot worse. Lets save the moral outrage and virtue signaling for real victims of violence. When you choose to get on a pulpit and preach, make sure you have a viable cause. If you don't have one and preach anyway, you're hurting the cause not helping it. 

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17 hours ago, JetFreak89 said:

I know its odd for Jets fans to consider having ONE great NFL talent, much less TWO. I'm sure they will find a way to split carries just like they do in NO. 

NO was not splitting carries this season. It was a Alvin Kamara show. Ingram will be traded this offseason. 

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8 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Actually, it was an absolute guarantee that a 0-win team would eventually improve upon their record, as long as the NFL didn't go out of business.  Meanwhile, they still haven't had a winning season in 11 years, but you go right on ahead and let everyone else know that, despite how terrible they were in the years you said they'd be good, it actually makes you the most right of everyone once they finally stopped being the very worst in league history, while still having accomplished absolutely nothing.

The Jets could be sporting the league's worst AAF team right now, and it would still have no impact on your need for self-celebration about something you were wrong about at the time you made the argument.  But hey, I'm sure the changes to the entire front office, coaching staff, and roster that all needed to be made between those times surely had nothing to do with any of it.  It was your unmatched foresight that really brought it all together.

You've been going out of your way to sh*t on people's optimism about the Browns for years now.  What gives?  I remember you giving me similar treatment a year or 2 ago. 

I get it.  Sashi Brown had far less to do with Cleveland's turnaround than John Dorsey has.  But Dorsey obviously took the job thinking they were headed in the right direction, no?  A top 10 GM doesn't just fall into your laps without there being a pretty good situation waiting for him. 

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16 hours ago, genot said:

So you read this article and decided he’s a thug even tho the article states he has no criminal record despite growing up in poverty with criminal behavior around him. 

That this is Hunt’s first incident and that he’s handled it quietly is at least some indication that he understands the gravity of it all. 

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17 hours ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said:

Dear "Insect",  Don't get me started.  The next constructive, positive, observation you make will be the first.  Thanks for the snarky, disingenuous, contribution.  Fascinating, as usual.  And, for your information Genius,  the Browns had the second rated Offensive Line in all of football last year.  Try paying attention to things like that instead  of looking to criticize other posters, understand?

O have to agree with lonelyheats. It's annoying to read your posts the way you type them.

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38 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

You've been going out of your way to sh*t on people's optimism about the Browns for years now.  What gives?  I remember you giving me similar treatment a year or 2 ago. 

I get it.  Sashi Brown had far less to do with Cleveland's turnaround than John Dorsey has.  But Dorsey obviously took the job thinking they were headed in the right direction, no?  A top 10 GM doesn't just fall into your laps without there being a pretty good situation waiting for him. 

It's an asinine argument to self-congratulate a prediction of the unseen greatness of the Browns right before they went 0-16, because now they're a better losing team 3 years later with very little in common with that team.  I'm not the one going out of the way, when years later some folks are trying to justify why that thing they were indisputably wrong about was actually right.  It's quite simply a complete logical fallacy.

In the end, they've still yet to prove they're actually any better than mediocre.  For the most part I don't really care about the Browns one way or another, but it's pretty odd to see some around here so impressed by their own thoughts on an NFL bottom-dweller not named the Jets.

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Just now, Bleedin Green said:

It's an asinine argument to self-congratulate a prediction of the unseen greatness of the Browns right before they went 0-16, because now they're a better losing team 3 years later with very little in common with that team.  I'm not the one going out of the way, when years later some folks are trying to justify why that thing they were indisputably wrong about was actually right.  It's quite simply a complete logical fallacy.

But I was saying I believed in the Browns from the moment they started to embrace analytics.  Admittedly, I was wrong about Hue Jackson, but I did think that the Browns were smart to tear everything down and go young from the start. 

Again, John Dorsey doesn't sign on to run the Browns, with their history of failure, if he didn't see something there. 

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Honestly, I don't think this is a big deal. If Chubb is playing well, they will not mess with that and I think Chubb might be one of the better RB's if he stays healthy. Hunt is going to be the change of pace guy there and he is going to be a lockeroom cancer. I think it's obvious he thinks a lot of himself and is not going to like watching from the sidelines. 

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22 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

But I was saying I believed in the Browns from the moment they started to embrace analytics.  Admittedly, I was wrong about Hue Jackson, but I did think that the Browns were smart to tear everything down and go young from the start. 

Again, John Dorsey doesn't sign on to run the Browns, with their history of failure, if he didn't see something there. 

DePodesta was the big hire.

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1 hour ago, kdels62 said:

So you read this article and decided he’s a thug even tho the article states he has no criminal record despite growing up in poverty with criminal behavior around him. 

That this is Hunt’s first incident and that he’s handled it quietly is at least some indication that he understands the gravity of it all. 

I think your looking past the two other incidents that are being looked into by the NFL.  Alot of times when you grow up around violence, you take on that behavior. Somehow, it's a normal part of daily life. If some team want's to take a chance with him, fine. I just prefer the Jets stay clear of that problem. It becomes a distraction. Hurts more than it helps.

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22 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

But I was saying I believed in the Browns from the moment they started to embrace analytics.  Admittedly, I was wrong about Hue Jackson, but I did think that the Browns were smart to tear everything down and go young from the start. 

Again, John Dorsey doesn't sign on to run the Browns, with their history of failure, if he didn't see something there. 

This is some flawed logic that you're relying on here, as it's questionable assumptions about another person's opinions, while disregarding the significant number of changes he's made.  You're simply attempting to justify why it's not even the same guy that was previously being credited for a brilliant plan, whom no other NFL team has any interest in, that the Browns actually saw any improvement under.

Yes, the Browns have recently shown improvement, but changes in the front office, coaching staff, and a large volume of players might just have a little more to do with it than a bunch of people from 3 years ago currently standing on the unemployment line.

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2 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

This is some flawed logic that you're relying on here, as it's questionable assumptions about another person's opinions, while disregarding the significant number of changes he's made.  You're simply attempting to justify why it's not even the same guy that was previously being credited for a brilliant plan, whom no other NFL team has any interest in, that the Browns actually saw any improvement under.

Yes, the Browns have recently shown improvement, but changes in the front office, coaching staff, and a large volume of players might just have a little more to do with it than a bunch of people from 3 years ago currently standing on the unemployment line.

He kept Paul DePodesta.  That alone tells me he believed in a major aspect of what the Browns were doing. 

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11 hours ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said:

The "proper way" as far as the Brown's method goes was to accrue a record of 45 wins versus 130 losses since 2008.  That is an astounding record and is the key to their ability to put "building blocks" in place.  That's 11 seasons of draft picks at the top of every round, enabling them to pick the best of the "can't miss" prospects and also allowing them to consistently trade down from those lofty positions to garner extra picks.  This commitment to losing year after year is the biggest reason for their roster "superiority" that they enjoy now.  I can't celebrate that as some sort of major accomplishment, sorry.  Regards, my friend.

That's kind of proving my point though. What makes the last couple of losing seasons different from the 8 or 9 that preceded them? If the Browns were always destined to improve (which is a strawman argument, of course given enough time ANY team will improve from 0-16, which is not my point) why didn't it happen sooner? I believe it started with the hiring of DePodesta in 2016 and the changes he brought along in draft strategy and personnel. I'm not seeing many top picks from 8-10 years ago really having an impact on the Browns of last year or next.   

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11 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Actually, it was an absolute guarantee that a 0-win team would eventually improve upon their record, as long as the NFL didn't go out of business.  Meanwhile, they still haven't had a winning season in 11 years, but you go right on ahead and let everyone else know that, despite how terrible they were in the years you said they'd be good, it actually makes you the most right of everyone once they finally stopped being the very worst in league history, while still having accomplished absolutely nothing.

The Jets could be sporting the league's worst AAF team right now, and it would still have no impact on your need for self-celebration about something you were wrong about at the time you made the argument.  But hey, I'm sure the changes to the entire front office, coaching staff, and roster that all needed to be made between those times surely had nothing to do with any of it.  It was your unmatched foresight that really brought it all together.

Are you putting out a strawman argument or are you that dense that you don't even know the point you are arguing? I never said the Browns would be good in 2016 - 2018, I said they were setting themselves up for a brighter FUTURE with the way they were handling the draft and personnel decisions in 2016-2018. The point isn't that the Browns would eventually improve on an 0-16 season (obviously this would happen eventually) or that the Browns would be better than the Jets in 2016 or 2017. The fact is that while some fans were pointing out that Mac and Bowles should be taking a good look at what the Browns were doing and trying to emulate that (instead of patching together a roster to make a 4 win team a 5 win team), a majority of other fans were justifying Mac's moves based on the reasoning of "Herrr Derrr, the Browns are the laughingstock of the league and will never be better than us!". 

So here we are 2-3 years later. Yes, the Browns still have more improvement to be made but name one position group outside of maybe QB and Safety that you would choose the Jets over the Browns to have? 

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4 minutes ago, JetFreak89 said:

That's kind of proving my point though. What makes the last couple of losing seasons different from the 8 or 9 that preceded them? If the Browns were always destined to improve (which is a strawman argument, of course given enough time ANY team will improve from 0-16, which is not my point) why didn't it happen sooner? I believe it started with the hiring of DePodesta in 2016 and the changes he brought along in draft strategy and personnel. I'm not seeing many top picks from 8-10 years ago really having an impact on the Browns of last year or next.   

Wish that DePodesta had such an impact when he was with the Mets. Thirty four of the current Browns on their roster were draft picks attained in the first four rounds,  picks made by Cleveland themselves. I only counted players drafted within the first four rounds, to boot.   That has to be pretty much unprecedented league wide. So your point about them improving over the past few years is valid, as is mine that the way they got there was through sucking, and sucking mightily.  Further, they only had two "successful" seasons during those eleven seasons, if you want to count seven wins as being successful, which I don't.  They haven't done anything yet, so to hold them up as the example as a well run franchise, despite the perceived improvement of the roster is somewhat disingenuous, don't you think?  Anyway I hope things are going well for you.

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3 minutes ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said:

Wish that DePodesta had such an impact when he was with the Mets. Thirty four of the current Browns on their roster were draft picks attained in the first four rounds,  picks made by Cleveland themselves. I only counted players drafted within the first four rounds, to boot.   That has to be pretty much unprecedented league wide. So your point about them improving over the past few years is valid, as is mine that the way they got there was through sucking, and sucking mightily.  Further, they only had two "successful" seasons during those eleven seasons, if you want to count seven wins as being successful, which I don't.  They haven't done anything yet, so to hold them up as the example as a well run franchise, despite the perceived improvement of the roster is somewhat disingenuous, don't you think?  Anyway I hope things are going well for you.

Of course, high draft picks (result of sucking mightily) play a big role in the improvement and, as I said in another post, they still need to keep improving if the last couple of years of drafting will be seen as a success. But my point is not to look back and say "I told you so" (as another poster is trying to suggest) but more so that there are things we could have done/can do to get ourselves in a similar situation. For instance, the Browns getting a draft pick for Osweiler, I thought was genius. I would compare it to how Mac signed Bridgewater and turned him into a pick. Also, I think there were opportunities the last few years (not including last draft) for us to trade down and acquire more picks. I'm hoping that is something that finally happens this year, unless Bosa somehow falls to us, things of that nature. Things are going very well over here, hope all is well with you too. 

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1 hour ago, genot said:

I think your looking past the two other incidents that are being looked into by the NFL.  Alot of times when you grow up around violence, you take on that behavior. Somehow, it's a normal part of daily life. If some team want's to take a chance with him, fine. I just prefer the Jets stay clear of that problem. It becomes a distraction. Hurts more than it helps.

I agree that some teams should not take the chance if they feel like they can’t deal with helping him improve himself. 

The point is that he is talented enough to play in the league. He has no criminal record. He had a bad incident he’s lost money and a portion of his career. What he did is unacceptable but ending his career is an act of excess.

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I don't have a problem with some team giving him a chance. We're Jet fans, and as a Jet fan, i think it would be too much of a distraction. At least with the Browns, they have Chubb. If Hunt screws up, they're alright. With us, he'd be a featured player, and the consequences of him screwing up are magnified.

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3 hours ago, More Cowbell said:

O have to agree with lonelyheats. It's annoying to read your posts the way you type them.

I find it somewhat annoying to read the bulk of your posts based on what's in them.  As for " Miss Insect", I really don't care what she thinks.  She is a surly negative irritating pest.  If the posts irritate you, don't read them.  Thanks for the input.

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