BCJet Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 So we cut a player, who while somewhat injury prone, had a down year due an injury to his snapping hand at center, then moved to guard and played decently - with the injury to his hand and the player is immediately picked up by a team in our division and people are happy about that? Spencer Long is not an elite player. But cutting him means we need to find a guard AND a center and also can't upgrade Brian Winters, who in my opinion is a worse player then long and can't player center. This team has a lot of holes and keeping Long at his $6 million number wasn't going to kill our ability to sign any other player in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Even if this hurts us, F this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 49 minutes ago, BCJet said: So we cut a player, who while somewhat injury prone, had a down year due an injury to his snapping hand at center, then moved to guard and played decently - with the injury to his hand and the player is immediately picked up by a team in our division and people are happy about that? Spencer Long is not an elite player. But cutting him means we need to find a guard AND a center and also can't upgrade Brian Winters, who in my opinion is a worse player then long and can't player center. This team has a lot of holes and keeping Long at his $6 million number wasn't going to kill our ability to sign any other player in the league. Let’s see how it plays out. This basically forces Mac to throw money to upgrade the position. Point of fact is the guy was cut, meaning 99% chance he’s not resigning here. We’re going to some body to fill that hole. Let’s see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, David Harris said: Let’s see how it plays out. This basically forces Mac to throw money to upgrade the position. Point of fact is the guy was cut, meaning 99% chance he’s not resigning here. We’re going to some body to fill that hole. Let’s see. In a perfect world the Jets will find 2 and 3 round picks and draft a C and a G, but I don't know if that happens. I think they Jets spend big money for a FA C and G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 9 hours ago, TNJet said: Hopefully it means we plan on drafting some olinemen for a change. It kinda sorta better mean that. Don't ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Thai Jet said: If you're going to bash a city at least get your thoughts straight 1st grasshopper. Explain to me what “thoughts” have to do with a spelling error(s). What were the “thoughts” detailed that weren’t “straight”? My “thoughts” were articulated well enough for you to understand them totally. So what you write makes no sense. What connection do you have to Buffalo that seem to make my “bashing” of it painful for you? Refute my “thoughts” ie “Buffalo is great because.....”, don’t go after spelling, that’s pathetic. It’s no “city” in my book. To each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 13 hours ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: Absolutely. Tired of the tortured Jet fan “logic” which sets the bar at the lowest of levels so often. ”Well at least Maccagnan isn’t as bad as Idzik” ”Well at least Bowles isn’t as bad as Kotite” Both those statements are in fact debatable, but this has to end. The team needs quality at every level...without compromise and without excuses. Right. Our backups are not worthy. Pure and simple. Backups are not just filler. They have to make a little impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 11 hours ago, Charlie Brown said: This was squarely on Bowles!!! It is a joke that the Jets through Bowles set up Long to fail and when he did they act shocked he in fact failed. Maddness!! He was a cheap lineman and the Jets cut him. I am not so sure they thought he was even decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 32 minutes ago, jack48 said: He was a cheap lineman and the Jets cut him. I am not so sure they thought he was even decent If the Jets kept him and paid the roster bonus, he would have cost them 6.5 million, salary and bonus this year. While not at top salary, that is not cheap. Guess they felt they could get better bang for the buck elsewhere or decided, Harrison, ,rookie, free agent was a better option. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said: If the Jets kept him and paid the roster bonus, he would have cost them 6.5 million, salary and bonus this year. While not at top salary, that is not cheap. Guess they felt they could get better bang for the buck elsewhere or decided, Harrison, ,rookie, free agent was a better option. We'll see. The problem with the Jets is that we have seen them time after time make moves that looked curious and assumed they had a plan, and then they don’t. Particularly with the OL. This goes back 20 years. We fans have the right to be skeptical. I am looking forward to seeing what the OL looks like in July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said: If the Jets kept him and paid the roster bonus, he would have cost them 6.5 million, salary and bonus this year. While not at top salary, that is not cheap. Guess they felt they could get better bang for the buck elsewhere or decided, Harrison, ,rookie, free agent was a better option. We'll see. Harrison was not a rookie FA. I mean, he wasn't drafted, but he was on the Colts for 3 years. He was on his 2nd contract with the Jets and, oh by the way, he is an unrestricted free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Stages of Jets fans responses to Macc Moves: 1- Bash Macc for signing player X 2- Bash player X for not playing like an All Pro despite signing cheap deal 3- Bash Macc for letting Player X leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Wisniewski is supposedly going to be cut by the Eagles. He’ll be 30 next month but he could be a really solid 2-3 year stop gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 maybe this has something to do with it: Frank Pollack (offensive line): Pollack has no background with Gase, but he coached for the Houston Texans while general manager Mike Maccagnan was in the scouting department. Pollack is a no-nonsense technician who prefers a zone scheme over man. In one season with the Cincinnati Bengals, he helped transform their running game. They averaged 4.69 yards per carry, their best mark since 1989 and an improvement of 1.07 yards from 2017 -- the biggest one-year jump in franchise history. Prior to that, Pollack spent five seasons with the Dallas Cowboys, presiding over one of the NFL's best lines. He has a big challenge with the Jets, who are planning significant changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 13 hours ago, rangerous said: there are 42 free agents at the offensive guard available not to mention tackles and centers. maybe half meet the age criteria. i'm fairly certain they'll find a player with equal skill. But we're not the only suitors in the league. Absolutely no guarentee that we'll find someone of a similar skill set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Whenever Long snaps the ball make sure you call a CB blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, peebag said: But we're not the only suitors in the league. Absolutely no guarentee that we'll find someone of a similar skill set. i guess you wanted to keep long? frankly either way works for me. if the jets really want a guy, maybe saffold, then they just need to pay. or they could adjust their draft so they use a higher draft pick than they normally would for an og. i'm thinking mac considered this when he chose not to keep long. at least i hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: Harrison was not a rookie FA. I mean, he wasn't drafted, but he was on the Colts for 3 years. He was on his 2nd contract with the Jets and, oh by the way, he is an unrestricted free agent. Harrison, free agent, rookie {draft choice or free agent}, that's three separate players,I was talking about. Unrestricted free agents can be resigned, can't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, rangerous said: i guess you wanted to keep long? frankly either way works for me. if the jets really want a guy, maybe saffold, then they just need to pay. or they could adjust their draft so they use a higher draft pick than they normally would for an og. i'm thinking mac considered this when he chose not to keep long. at least i hope so. The plan could be pretty simple. Sign FA C, G and T. Draft G and T in Rds 3-5. That gives the Jets: 2019 LT-FA/Beachum LG-FA C-FA RB-Winters/Draft pick RT-Shell/FA/Beachum/Draft pick 2020 (Important Year) LT-FA LG-FA/Draft pick C-FA/Draft pick RG-Draft Pick RT-Shell/Draft Pick. In 2020, there MAY be one survivor from the Jets 2018 OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 5 hours ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said: If the Jets kept him and paid the roster bonus, he would have cost them 6.5 million, salary and bonus this year. While not at top salary, that is not cheap. Guess they felt they could get better bang for the buck elsewhere or decided, Harrison, ,rookie, free agent was a better option. We'll see. Aah. I never notice roster bonuses., 6.5 does seem like a lot for him. Anything seems like a lot for him, ha ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 hours ago, jack48 said: Right. Our backups are not worthy. Pure and simple. Backups are not just filler. They have to make a little impact. If you don’t know how to draft ie Maccagnan, it’s impossible to have any depth on the team not to mention a single playmaker, Jets have a single one in Darnold but you could give credit to a blind squirrel as much as Maccagnan on that pick. Giants draft Darnold, as they should have, Jets QB right now is Josh Allen or Josh Rosen. If you don’t know how to draft you’re going to wind up with a bottom feeding roster just like the Jets have at present, where virtually none of their starters could start anywhere else other than the new AAF league. I realize the Johnsons not only wanted to save face by not wanting to fire Maccagnan at the same time as Bowles after another terrible face saving decision in granting BOTH extensions (what’s the ONLY way NOT to get an extension? Lose ALL 16 games?) but when does the old saying “The definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result” kick in ???? Maccagnan CAN’T DRAFT he’s on his 5th shot for Chrissake, when do they finally remove his office furniture, and props? (Multiple coffee cups and computer (which he probably doesn’t know how to use, it’s there for show just like all the “burning the midnight oil” coffee cups. I really hope Gase and Williams have a lot of say this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, varjet said: The plan could be pretty simple. Sign FA C, G and T. Draft G and T in Rds 3-5. That gives the Jets: 2019 LT-FA/Beachum LG-FA C-FA RB-Winters/Draft pick RT-Shell/FA/Beachum/Draft pick 2020 (Important Year) LT-FA LG-FA/Draft pick C-FA/Draft pick RG-Draft Pick RT-Shell/Draft Pick. In 2020, there MAY be one survivor from the Jets 2018 OL. you would think so but they've had some issues getting this oline straightened out for the past couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 19 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: If you don’t know how to draft ie Maccagnan, it’s impossible to have any depth on the team not to mention a single playmaker, Jets have a single one in Darnold but you could give credit to a blind squirrel as much as Maccagnan on that pick. Giants draft Darnold, as they should have, Jets QB right now is Josh Allen or Josh Rosen. If you don’t know how to draft you’re going to wind up with a bottom feeding roster just like the Jets have at present, where virtually none of their starters could start anywhere else other than the new AAF league. I realize the Johnsons not only wanted to save face by not wanting to fire Maccagnan at the same time as Bowles after another terrible face saving decision in granting BOTH extensions (what’s the ONLY way NOT to get an extension? Lose ALL 16 games?) but when does the old saying “The definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result” kick in ???? Maccagnan CAN’T DRAFT he’s on his 5th shot for Chrissake, when do they finally remove his office furniture, and props? (Multiple coffee cups and computer (which he probably doesn’t know how to use, it’s there for show just like all the “burning the midnight oil” coffee cups. I really hope Gase and Williams have a lot of say this draft. Whose face are they saving? Charlie Casserly's? Ha ha. Agreed. There are even starters on the Jets I would not want as backups. Crowell being one. Skrine (iI know he is a slot corner but i consider him starter) being another. I am not crazy about Carpenter either, but I think he is gone. And whoever our center is is really not a credible backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 On 2/12/2019 at 4:37 PM, Scoop24 said: some of his finest moments as a jet Oh my goodness. tHat snap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolloffjet Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I did not read the whole thread but did they ever announce what long sign for in buffalo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Heard that Tampa wanted him as recommended by Bowles; Long gave Bowles the finger, and that was from his good hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 11 hours ago, LIJetsFan said: maybe this has something to do with it: Frank Pollack (offensive line): Pollack has no background with Gase, but he coached for the Houston Texans while general manager Mike Maccagnan was in the scouting department. Pollack is a no-nonsense technician who prefers a zone scheme over man. In one season with the Cincinnati Bengals, he helped transform their running game. They averaged 4.69 yards per carry, their best mark since 1989 and an improvement of 1.07 yards from 2017 -- the biggest one-year jump in franchise history. Prior to that, Pollack spent five seasons with the Dallas Cowboys, presiding over one of the NFL's best lines. He has a big challenge with the Jets, who are planning significant changes. Nice to hear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolloffjet Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2019/2/12/18222207/spencer-long-tentative-buffalo-bills-contract-numbers-salary-average-annual-value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-top-10-interior-offensive-linemen-set-to-enter-free-agency-in-2019 plenty of guards who would be a upgrade over Long and Winters . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Long at $6.5M is a HORRIBLE USE of salary allocation - injured or not. As decimated as we are at OLine, better and YOUNGER playerS could be had (recall we're sticking with the zone blocking scheme which functions with serviceable JAGS as blockers) with that Cap money. Should the Jets invest in OLine talent despite the system? Of COURSE! but Long was not a solution to the problem at that number. Harrison was just as good, if not better, than Long and is a veteran who only made $880K in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 On 2/12/2019 at 11:43 PM, varjet said: In a perfect world the Jets will find 2 and 3 round picks and draft a C and a G, but I don't know if that happens. I think they Jets spend big money for a FA C and G. Agreed. His moves don’t always work out but one thing I respect about Mac is he is methodical in his approach and always has plans A-E. He has also said he uses pro FA to try to fill holes so he can’t draft BPA. So we almost def sign 1-2 top FA OL and will prob draft at least one with our first 2 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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