k-met57 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Jet9 said: That has always panned out in the NFL. Michael Vick was more successful in his tenure as a falcon then the jets were in the same time period or since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King P Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Gen X Jet said: Great for the Jets if true but 5' 9", while tall for a woman, is tiny for a man (let alone an NFL player) and no way that translates to the NFL. The average American Male is 5'9. Only 14% of the population is 6 ft+ Guess we're all tiny then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Typical @nico002 QB related thread. We've quickly dismissed the OP as nonsense and moved onto more important matters. I'm very happy though. Thanks to you guys I've learned I'm slightly above average at something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, 14 in Green said: Typical @nico002 QB related thread. We've quickly dismissed the OP as nonsense and moved onto more important matters. I'm very happy though. Thanks to you guys I've learned I'm slightly above average at something! What do you disagree with? I will correct myself and say that he wasn’t better statistically than Baker- he was virtually identical in every category. And he did it while being 2 years younger. What exactly am I saying that is so outrageous? Have you seen Murray throw the football? He’s a natural. Also, how in the eff is this thread a knock on Baker? I’m literally effing saying that Murray will be drafted high because of Bakers success... you are one thick mother effer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: I have no idea if you're on point with this but to say he's 25% more talented than Russell Wilson is crazy IMO. Ughh why? He was drafted in the TOP 10 of the MLB draft and will be a top NFL draft pick. He’s one of the most talented QBs in NFL HISTORY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, nico002 said: Ughh why? He was drafted in the TOP 10 of the MLB draft and will be a top NFL draft pick. He’s one of the most talented QBs in NFL HISTORY. Russel Wilson is a top 10 NFL QB with a Superbowl ring. Until Murray steps on the field with the pros and proves anything it just seems like a crazy statement to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: He will be there at 13 and the dolphins will have a decision to make. No one is taking this guy in the top 10, let alone the top 3. Hes 5’9. Do you know how small that is? If the over/under is 10 then I'm with you....I'd take the over and expect him to go outside the Top 10. I think Murray will be good and the NFL is changing in a way that benefits guys like him but if there were questions about Baker at 6' 1/2" then this guy will REALLY have a lot to overcome being at least 3 inches shorter than that! He has the makeup for today's NFL....but it's not like he has a Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck arm and he's not even close to being built like Lamar Jackson. The only thing I will say is that I'm glad he came out because it DOES help the Jets prospects of being able to move the #3 pick somehow if a team falls crazy in love with Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, k-met57 said: Michael Vick was more successful in his tenure as a falcon then the jets were in the same time period or since. And Johnny Manzeil was apparently the next Brees because he was short. Like, no sh*t, people actually said this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Paradis said: How is that even possible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, Anthony Jet said: How is that even possible... I have no idea.... but i love knowing when someone reads that headline -- their brain has to quickly run a physics flow chart of "how could this be" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhead Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 hours ago, nico002 said: He is far and away the most talented quarterback in this class. He is an elite natural thrower with incredible athleticism. Played in same offense as Baker which is proven to translate to NFL. Basically was better than Baker in every possible way. He is extremely short- but he is literally a Russel Wilson clone from a play style/physical standpoint. I’d say he’s about 25% more talented than Russel. The only semi knock I have is that he doesn’t appear to be a face of the franchise type personality. If AZ doesn’t take him, the Jags/ Dolphins/ Broncos/ Bengals/ Redskins will trade up. My money right now is on the Jags. That’s it! Keep pumping him up! Pump pump pump. Better for us if he goes top 2 or maybe someone trades the farm for our 3. This guy is the next Drew Brees . The shorter version of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebabyny Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 6 hours ago, slimjasi said: Average for men in the US is about 5'9, so I'm actually taller than average! only short guys know that statistic. lol, sorry dude, j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I have no idea if this kid could succeed in the NFL but face facts folks, this ain't your fathers NFL. Doug Flutie would be a very good QB in this league so why couldn't a kid with crazy athletic talent like Murray succeed? There would not have even been a music city miracle if Doug Flutie started that game for the Buffalo Bills. RG3 never learned how to step out of bounds or slide down properly. No way Dan Snider would pass on Murray, there was a lot of excitement in Washington when RG3 exploded out of nowhere. Plus Murray throws a way more catchable ball than Lamar Jackson does. Murrays even quicker than Russell Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Anthony Jet said: How is that even possible... SQUIRRELSICLE! 5 hours ago, Anthony Jet said: Not an uncommon "weapon of choice" in West Virginia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 The real question is: would Terry Bradway pound the table for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 hours ago, nico002 said: What do you disagree with? I will correct myself and say that he wasn’t better statistically than Baker- he was virtually identical in every category. And he did it while being 2 years younger. What exactly am I saying that is so outrageous? Have you seen Murray throw the football? He’s a natural. Also, how in the eff is this thread a knock on Baker? I’m literally effing saying that Murray will be drafted high because of Bakers success... you are one thick mother effer. Started with he's better than Baker. Move on to Baker's success means the school is now an QB powerhouse. If Marino went to Rutgers would that make Rutgers a QB factory? Go straight to bed 25% more talented than Wilson and stop right there, enough is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Why not. He can be the next Drew Brees. Stranger things have happened, like a wife stabbing her husband with a squirrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTL Jet Fan Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 11 hours ago, Bocajetfan said: Other than Arizona and Kingsbury I just don’t see another HC or OC willing to go all in on this kid and the offensive style to allow the kid to thrive. Could be wrong just don’t see it. I can see the Fins trading up for him, it would seem like a Ross/Dolphins kind of move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Paradis said: I have no idea.... but i love knowing when someone reads that headline -- their brain has to quickly run a physics flow chart of "how could this be" I’m not trying to prove it wrong, I wanna know how Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyT Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 12 hours ago, slimjasi said: For everyday life, that's cool Every day life, that makes you short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Jet9 said: And Johnny Manzeil was apparently the next Brees because he was short. Like, no sh*t, people actually said this. the argument is not short, obv Murray is too short to be a pocket passer....you inferred that player with his skill set don't work out....and what i am saying is that the only player with his skill set was Michael Vick (more explosive, less of a refined passer)....who was plenty successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 At this point Murray is a top 50 pick. Let’s see how high he goes. I would guess top 15. I don’t see anyone trading to 3 to pick him. I could be wrong. Key is who will trade to get ahead of the Raiders. Maybe the Raiders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 A QB always surges in runup to draft. Will it be Murray? I don’t know. Let’s just pray against an EJ Manuel/Geno year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I don’t buy any of the hype about Kingsbury and Murray. I really can’t imagine that the Cardinals hired their new offensive genius coach for any other purpose than to get the most out of Rosen. Sure, they’ll listen to offers, but they would have to be blown away by a trade offer (and the jints aren’t the team to make that offer). The combine is going to tell us a lot about Murray. His actual size and how he performs in interviews are going to be critical. If he doesn’t get drafted high enough, I could see him changing his mind and playing baseball. Drafting him outside the top ten/fifteen could turn out to be a gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, slats said: I don’t buy any of the hype about Kingsbury and Murray. I really can’t imagine that the Cardinals hired their new offensive genius coach for any other purpose than to get the most out of Rosen. Sure, they’ll listen to offers, but they would have to be blown away by a trade offer (and the jints aren’t the team to make that offer). The combine is going to tell us a lot about Murray. His actual size and how he performs in interviews are going to be critical. If he doesn’t get drafted high enough, I could see him changing his mind and playing baseball. Drafting him outside the top ten/fifteen could turn out to be a gamble. Agree. The Football commitment announcement is to maximise draft position. If he falls from first round he will play baseball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 5'9" might be generous, TBH. He looks more like he's 5'8". It'll be fascinating to see where he goes. Feels like he'll be off the boards completely for many teams while others may just fall in love with him and believe they can build a scheme to maximize his talents. I'm confident he'll be a first round pick -- my initial feeling was that he'd go in the Lamar Jackson range (late first, someone maybe trades back in) but I wouldn't be shocked if someone rolled the dice in the top ten. Doesn't seem like the Giants or Jaguars are the type of teams that would take him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, UntouchableCrew said: 5'9" might be generous, TBH. He looks more like he's 5'8". It'll be fascinating to see where he goes. Feels like he'll be off the boards completely for many teams while others may just fall in love with him and believe they can build a scheme to maximize his talents. I'm confident he'll be a first round pick -- my initial feeling was that he'd go in the Lamar Jackson range (late first, someone maybe trades back in) but I wouldn't be shocked if someone rolled the dice in the top ten. Doesn't seem like the Giants or Jaguars are the type of teams that would take him though. If he goes top 10, he needs to buy Mayfield a bottle of Cristal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, slats said: I don’t buy any of the hype about Kingsbury and Murray. I really can’t imagine that the Cardinals hired their new offensive genius coach for any other purpose than to get the most out of Rosen. Sure, they’ll listen to offers, but they would have to be blown away by a trade offer (and the jints aren’t the team to make that offer). The combine is going to tell us a lot about Murray. His actual size and how he performs in interviews are going to be critical. If he doesn’t get drafted high enough, I could see him changing his mind and playing baseball. Drafting him outside the top ten/fifteen could turn out to be a gamble. Good, you shouldn’t. But this hire is stupid to me because Rosen doesn’t fit his system at all. Rosen is a traditional drop back passer and definitely nothing like Kliff is accustomed to. If he’s actually some kind of genius, he’ll figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I'd take Haskins over Murray and I don't even like Haskins as a prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-met57 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 he is going to go top 7 no questions asked...the question is does he go higher. for me it comes down to... pros: super kid / unlike say Baker or Manziel electrifying athlete (lamar jackson level runner, prob notch below vick) record breaking passer in an offense that is all the rage now following Baker who was very successful in the NFL as a rookie only QB in this draft graded as a franchise QB by PFF cons: height injury concern (although i am not sure he has been hurt much) no precedent for a 5'9 QB drafted top 10 the case for some GM to pull the trigger is just too compelling.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 14 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: He will be there at 13 and the dolphins will have a decision to make. No one is taking this guy in the top 10, let alone the top 3. Hes 5’9. Do you know how small that is? Yes...isn't that about the size of a major league CF?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 14 hours ago, nico002 said: He is far and away the most talented quarterback in this class. He is an elite natural thrower with incredible athleticism. Played in same offense as Baker which is proven to translate to NFL. Basically was better than Baker in every possible way. He is extremely short- but he is literally a Russel Wilson clone from a play style/physical standpoint. I’d say he’s about 25% more talented than Russel. The only semi knock I have is that he doesn’t appear to be a face of the franchise type personality. If AZ doesn’t take him, the Jags/ Dolphins/ Broncos/ Bengals/ Redskins will trade up. My money right now is on the Jags. I agree, I think the giants or raiders could give up their first for Rosen and ARZ does actually draft him... Then they can come back with a 2nd top 6 pick to draft a lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I pray some team thinks as much and thus allows us to trade down. There is no QB in this draft imo that is worth trading up for, just have to hope QB desperate teams fall in love with one of these guys at the combine or at personal workouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just now, Beerfish said: I pray some team thinks as much and thus allows us to trade down. There is no QB in this draft imo that is worth trading up for, just have to hope QB desperate teams fall in love with one of these guys at the combine or at personal workouts. the above usually does happen. Just not in a "Geno Smith" type year, which this is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 49 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Good, you shouldn’t. But this hire is stupid to me because Rosen doesn’t fit his system at all. Rosen is a traditional drop back passer and definitely nothing like Kliff is accustomed to. If he’s actually some kind of genius, he’ll figure it out. Oh, well, if it was said on Twitter, that makes it official then! Teams and coaches aren't ever known for lying and doing something completely different from what they said. Not in the NFL. Kliff can say this and still not be lying. Josh Rosen is indeed his guy. Right now, in February. When he drafts Murray, Murray will be his guy but say they're not looking to trade Rosen. "Josh is on our roster." Then he'll trade Rosen and wish him well on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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