JustInFudge Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Is Flacco better than Keenum? lol Both terrible. The Broncos sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I think they like Drew Lock, gonna try and snipe him probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 If Keenum is cut I see the Giants taking a flyer on him Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: I think the Ravens are crazy. I don't think Lamar Jackson is a starter in the NFL for long. Been saying this since around this time last year before he was even drafted. Try telling this to a Ravens fan. They are convinced and I don’t see how. very gimmicky style of play, easy for a NFL defense to adapt and not realistically sustainable in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said: Been saying this since around this time last year before he was even drafted. Try telling this to a Ravens fan. They are convinced and I don’t see how. very gimmicky style of play, easy to for an NFL defense adapt to and not realistically sustainable in the long term. yup - he also doesn't protect himself. If I could put money on him missing games to injury this season I would. Everyone is going to go to school on the Chargers game tape and bottle this guy up real quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Flacco stinks. Denver is a mess. What are they doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Ha ha ha, I have ill fitting reading glasses on and I thought this read, "Flacco to the Browns!" I was like WTF? Elway got his guy, good for him. Flacco is still a very capable QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said: Flacco will end his career in beautiful country, better than Baltimore. There is that for him. Baltimore borders of Detriot-like when it comes to city decay and ruin. Taking an Amtrak through that town is just deeply sad and depressing. Half the city looks like a bomb fell on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 42 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: I think the Ravens are crazy. I don't think Lamar Jackson is a starter in the NFL for long. Neither is Flacco, and better to get something for him than nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: Elway rode Manning to a SB so he does get some credit but if you take away Manning he has been a shaky GM at best! Before Manning arrived, Elway's Broncos won a division title with Tim Tebow as the starting QB. He also has drafted the following: Von Miller (2011 # 2 overall pick -- future HOFer) OLB Danny Trevathan (2012 6th round pick) DE Bradley Chubb (2018 1st rounder -- 12 Sacks as rookie) DT Malik Jackson (2012 5th rounder -- 2017 Pro Bowler) OL Michael Schofield (2014 3rd rounder) TE Julius Thomas (2011 4th rounder) TE Virgil Green (2011 7th rounder) OL Connor McGovern (2016 5th rounder) And, along with the Manning pickup, signed the following: OLB DeMarcus Ware (2014 -- 2x Pro Bowler, 21.5 sacks in 3 seasons with team) CB Aqib Talib (2014 -- 4x Pro Bowler, 11 INT, 48 PD's in 4 seasons with team) WR Emmanuel Sanders (2014 -- 2x Pro Bowler thru 5 seasons) S T.J. Ward (2014 -- 1x Pro Bowler, 3 INT, 19 PD's, 5 FF, 5 Sacks, 11 TFL in 3 seasons) S Darian Stewart (2015 -- 1x Pro Bowler, 9 INT, 24 PD's, 2 FF, 8 TFL in 4 seasons, current starter) RB Willis McGahee (2011 -- 4.8 and 4.4 ypc with 8 TD's in 2 seasons) That 2014 offseason spending spree was something else. Ware, Talib, Sanders and TJ Ward. All hits. All directly led to the Broncos winning the Super Bowl in 2015 with a broken down Peyton. Maccagnan should take notes on how to handle an offseason with a lot of cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoJetsFan Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 This is such a Jets move BS (Before Sam) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDL_JET Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: Before Manning arrived, Elway's Broncos won a division title with Tim Tebow as the starting QB. He also has drafted the following: Von Miller (2011 # 2 overall pick -- future HOFer) OLB Danny Trevathan (2012 6th round pick) DE Bradley Chubb (2018 1st rounder -- 12 Sacks as rookie) DT Malik Jackson (2012 5th rounder -- 2017 Pro Bowler) OL Michael Schofield (2014 3rd rounder) TE Julius Thomas (2011 4th rounder) TE Virgil Green (2011 7th rounder) OL Connor McGovern (2016 5th rounder) And, along with the Manning pickup, signed the following: OLB DeMarcus Ware (2014 -- 2x Pro Bowler, 21.5 sacks in 3 seasons with team) CB Aqib Talib (2014 -- 4x Pro Bowler, 11 INT, 48 PD's in 4 seasons with team) WR Emmanuel Sanders (2014 -- 2x Pro Bowler thru 5 seasons) S T.J. Ward (2014 -- 1x Pro Bowler, 3 INT, 19 PD's, 5 FF, 5 Sacks, 11 TFL in 3 seasons) S Darian Stewart (2015 -- 1x Pro Bowler, 9 INT, 24 PD's, 2 FF, 8 TFL in 4 seasons, current starter) RB Willis McGahee (2011 -- 4.8 and 4.4 ypc with 8 TD's in 2 seasons) That 2014 offseason spending spree was something else. Ware, Talib, Sanders and TJ Ward. All hits. All directly led to the Broncos winning the Super Bowl in 2015 with a broken down Peyton. Maccagnan should take notes on how to handle an offseason with a lot of cap space. It's easy to sign attractive free agents when you're in win now mode with Peyton f'n Manning at QB. Any veteran is gonna hitch on to that ride. And also your FA signings are gonna look like success again....when Manning is QB. How's he done since? He's struggling to stay afloat just like any other GM trying to find an answer at QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said: Elway rode Manning to a SB so he does get some credit but if you take away Manning he has been a shaky GM at best! He's been awful at drafting/evaluating QB talent (ironically), but he has been pretty good otherwise. This past year he scooped up Sutton/Hamilton/Lindsay/Chubb and a couple of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, MDL_JET said: It's easy to sign attractive free agents when you're in win now mode with Peyton f'n Manning at QB. Any veteran is gonna hitch on to that ride. And also your FA signings are gonna look like success again....when Manning is QB. Manning was a broken down shell of himself in 2015. What are you talking about? He was the # 36 QB in the league based on DVOA that year, worse than Matt friggin Cassel and Johnny Manziel. The defense Elway had built carried his a$$ to the title. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy they did; I wanted Peyton to get his 2nd ring any way he can get it, because I still firmly believe Peyton >>> Brady. But he sucked that year, no doubt about it. Peyton didn't make those FA's look good that year. They made HIM look good. I can understand FA's finding that destination attractive because of Peyton's presence. After all, Peyton was a top 5 QB in 2014. But going 4/4 on your signings is impressive. Period. And attracting FA's on that level that was only possible because he'd already laid a foundation on defense led by Von Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Before Manning arrived, Elway's Broncos won a division title with Tim Tebow as the starting QB. He also has drafted the following: Von Miller (2011 # 2 overall pick -- future HOFer) OLB Danny Trevathan (2012 6th round pick) DE Bradley Chubb (2018 1st rounder -- 12 Sacks as rookie) DT Malik Jackson (2012 5th rounder -- 2017 Pro Bowler) OL Michael Schofield (2014 3rd rounder) TE Julius Thomas (2011 4th rounder) TE Virgil Green (2011 7th rounder) OL Connor McGovern (2016 5th rounder) And, along with the Manning pickup, signed the following: OLB DeMarcus Ware (2014 -- 2x Pro Bowler, 21.5 sacks in 3 seasons with team) CB Aqib Talib (2014 -- 4x Pro Bowler, 11 INT, 48 PD's in 4 seasons with team) WR Emmanuel Sanders (2014 -- 2x Pro Bowler thru 5 seasons) S T.J. Ward (2014 -- 1x Pro Bowler, 3 INT, 19 PD's, 5 FF, 5 Sacks, 11 TFL in 3 seasons) S Darian Stewart (2015 -- 1x Pro Bowler, 9 INT, 24 PD's, 2 FF, 8 TFL in 4 seasons, current starter) RB Willis McGahee (2011 -- 4.8 and 4.4 ypc with 8 TD's in 2 seasons) That 2014 offseason spending spree was something else. Ware, Talib, Sanders and TJ Ward. All hits. All directly led to the Broncos winning the Super Bowl in 2015 with a broken down Peyton. Maccagnan should take notes on how to handle an offseason with a lot of cap space. I agree, Elways has generally been pretty good.......other than finding a QB. Oddly, so far, that seems his weak point. Surprises me tbqh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, JiF said: Is Flacco better than Keenum? lol Both terrible. The Broncos sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 58 minutes ago, rayzor said: There goes one potential trade partner in the draft. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Broncos were never going to put together a package to move from #10 to #3 (or 2 or 1) and they knew that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Warfish said: I agree, Elways has generally been pretty good.......other than finding a QB. Oddly, so far, that seems his weak point. Surprises me tbqh. I think he relies too heavily on "safe" veterans. After being burned on Paxton Lynch, I imagine he simply hasn't been too keen on reentering the QB market via the draft ever since. But that's a short-sighted plan. The Chiefs had the same problem for decades. After taking Todd Blackledge in that great '83 QB draft, they didn't take a homegrown guy in the early rounds for years and years. Between '83 and the Pat Mahomes years, they only took QB's three times in the first three rounds (Croyle - 3rd round in 2006; Matt Blundin and Mike Elkins - 2nd round in 1992 and 1989, respectively). In the interim, the Chiefs opted for veterans of varying effectiveness: Steve DeBerg, Dave Krieg, Joe Montana, Steve Bono, Elvis Grbac, Rich Gannon, Warren Moon, Trent Green, Matt Cassel, Alex Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: I think the Ravens are crazy. I don't think Lamar Jackson is a starter in the NFL for long. He only won a bunch of games this year without a full offseason of being tutored as the starter... but yea sure. Say hi to 1995 for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Paradis said: He only won a bunch of games this year without a full offseason of being tutored as the starter... but yea sure. Say hi to 1995 for me. NFL defensive coordinators are going to chew him up and spit him out. Watch what they do with a can of film and a full off season. Dude doesn't even protect his body - he'll be lucky to walk off the field on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Ha - same dude. However, Keenum has a water pistol arm and Flacco has a cannon. I wonder how much that factors in at a place like Mile High? I think this is accurate but this is the first season Keenum has played on a team in an outdoor stadium. HUGE difference playing a doom vs. a place like Mile High. Might not be a coincidence he regressed outdoors. Maybe similar on paper but one guys game is a little better suited for the climate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: yup - he also doesn't protect himself. If I could put money on him missing games to injury this season I would. Everyone is going to go to school on the Chargers game tape and bottle this guy up real quick. I'm assuming you're talking about Lamar Jackson, who turned Baltimore's season around once he got a chance to play midway through the season? LOL for using the Chargers game where he came off the mat and played a great 4th quarter to almost pull off the huge upset. If that's the plan other teams will look atto beat them, Jackson and the Ravens will be just fine. They obviously adjusted and succeeded against it before the game ended What a strange fan base Jets fans are. We take every opportunity to knock Mayfield, Rosen, Allen and Jackson's rookie seasons and the teams that picked them. We wonder how long they'll survive in the league while we collectively thank the football gods for allowing Darnold to fall into our laps. We give him every benefit of the doubt, and are convinced he'll be a superstar FQB while they flop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just now, 14 in Green said: I'm assuming you're talking about Lamar Jackson, who turned Baltimore's season around once he got a chance to play midway through the season? LOL for using the Chargers game where he came off the mat and played a great 4th quarter to almost pull off the huge upset. If that's the plan other teams will look atto beat them, Jackson and the Ravens will be just fine. They obviously adjusted and succeeded against it before the game ended What a strange fan base Jets fans are. We take every opportunity to knock Mayfield, Rosen, Allen and Jackson's rookie seasons and the teams that picked them. We wonder how long they'll survive in the league while we collectively thank the football gods for allowing Darnold to fall into our laps. We give him every benefit of the doubt, and are convinced he'll be a superstar FQB while they flop. I have never knocked Mayfield - he's a beast. Never said a word about Rosen. Allen looks like trash so I probably did comment on him. Your assumption that I knock Jackson because he was drafted in the same draft as Darnold is wrong. Don't lump me in with whoever does that. I just don't think the kid is going to be a successful NFL QB. He was completely smothered by the Chargers in the playoffs - he did well in garbage time when they were just milking the clock and getting ready for the next round. I don't believe his style of play is sustainable and I don't think he'll stay healthy. He could prove me wrong but I don't see him having much success this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 BAL is really rolling the dice with Jackson as their #1 QB. DC's are going to go to school on his tendencies in the off-season, he better correct his issues quick. The first time a team saw him twice (LAC playoffs) it wasn't pretty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: NFL defensive coordinators are going to chew him up and spit him out. Watch what they do with a can of film and a full off season. Dude doesn't even protect his body - he'll be lucky to walk off the field on his own. who got hurt last year, Darnold or Jackson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: NFL defensive coordinators are going to chew him up and spit him out. Watch what they do with a can of film and a full off season. Dude doesn't even protect his body - he'll be lucky to walk off the field on his own. I tend to agree. Running QB's have a VERY short shelf-life at the NFL level. Once they get film on a guy, and that guy takes a few hits, if he isn't a legit passer......he won't last long. Nice to see the Ravens be confident in him and give him a chance, but it'll be interesting to see how the league adapts next year when playing him. Is he RGIII or is he Mike Vick? Only time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: who got hurt last year, Darnold or Jackson? This is anecdotal. Every football player runs the risk of getting injured on every play. Jackson puts himself more at risk with his style of play and he's on the smaller side. A guy like Cam Newton or Big Ben can get away with more of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 35 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Before Manning arrived, Elway's Broncos won a division title with Tim Tebow as the starting QB. He also has drafted the following: Von Miller (2011 # 2 overall pick -- future HOFer) OLB Danny Trevathan (2012 6th round pick) DE Bradley Chubb (2018 1st rounder -- 12 Sacks as rookie) DT Malik Jackson (2012 5th rounder -- 2017 Pro Bowler) OL Michael Schofield (2014 3rd rounder) TE Julius Thomas (2011 4th rounder) TE Virgil Green (2011 7th rounder) OL Connor McGovern (2016 5th rounder) And, along with the Manning pickup, signed the following: OLB DeMarcus Ware (2014 -- 2x Pro Bowler, 21.5 sacks in 3 seasons with team) CB Aqib Talib (2014 -- 4x Pro Bowler, 11 INT, 48 PD's in 4 seasons with team) WR Emmanuel Sanders (2014 -- 2x Pro Bowler thru 5 seasons) S T.J. Ward (2014 -- 1x Pro Bowler, 3 INT, 19 PD's, 5 FF, 5 Sacks, 11 TFL in 3 seasons) S Darian Stewart (2015 -- 1x Pro Bowler, 9 INT, 24 PD's, 2 FF, 8 TFL in 4 seasons, current starter) RB Willis McGahee (2011 -- 4.8 and 4.4 ypc with 8 TD's in 2 seasons) That 2014 offseason spending spree was something else. Ware, Talib, Sanders and TJ Ward. All hits. All directly led to the Broncos winning the Super Bowl in 2015 with a broken down Peyton. Maccagnan should take notes on how to handle an offseason with a lot of cap space. Most of those draft picks you list either aren't good, don't play for Denver any more or both. That's not something to hang his hat on, that he had Von Miller fall in his lap and has drafted a slew of fairly average guys that he couldn't retain because his roster construction is awful. He has sprinkled in an occasional good pick, but overall Elway is ridiculously overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: I have never knocked Mayfield - he's a beast. Never said a word about Rosen. Allen looks like trash so I probably did comment on him. Your assumption that I knock Jackson because he was drafted in the same draft as Darnold is wrong. Don't lump me in with whoever does that. I just don't think the kid is going to be a successful NFL QB. He was completely smothered by the Chargers in the playoffs - he did well in garbage time when they were just milking the clock and getting ready for the next round. I don't believe his style of play is sustainable and I don't think he'll stay healthy. He could prove me wrong but I don't see him having much success this season. I was talking about the fan base in general, not you specifically. You're certainly entitled to your opinion on Jackson. A lot of people feel the same way, I was just trying to defend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Augustiniak said: this is what happens when you don't trade up to get darnold last year. the jets have been chasing vet qbs between sanchez and darnold This is a mini-version of what the Jets did in 2016. They are trying to salvage a decent season while they have Von Miller and others. I don't think it ends well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: This is anecdotal. Every football player runs the risk of getting injured on every play. Jackson puts himself more at risk with his style of play and he's on the smaller side. A guy like Cam Newton or Big Ben can get away with more of that. I'm not looking to zero in on you here, believe me, I value your opinion. You make a fair point about him putting himself at risk. What I'm wondering though is how much less those risks are today as opposed to even a year or two ago? Between the sliding rule, blow to the head penalty, and other rules put in place to protect QBs, maybe the mobile, Jackson type player can have a long career? One thing is for sure though, he has to improve throwing the football eventually or this will be a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I wonder if we could get a draft pick from Denver in exchange for taking on Keenum and his insane salary to be Sam’s backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Don't understand the move from Denver's perspective. Flacco has been 'meh' for a long time and he's got more years behind him than in front of him. They aren't winning anything with him. Why give up anything for a guy like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, varjet said: This is a mini-version of what the Jets did in 2016. They are trying to salvage a decent season while they have Von Miller and others. I don't think it ends well. I agree. When the Jets resigned Fitz, at least they had won 10 games in 2015, and therefore, had some (false) hope that they were a win-now team. This doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I have no issue not going for a QB in this year's draft class because I think this QB class is highly questionable, but I don't understand bringing in a guy like Flacco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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