Crowell Expected to be Released after the Jets sign a new RB in FA

[Thai Jet]

59 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Doesn't make much sense.  He's only a $5M cap hit, and we only save $3M by cutting him ($4M if we wait until after June 1).  The only reason to let him go would be if we get a significant upgrade at the position. 

Why not at least try to float him in a trade offer somewhere?

BECAUSE that would make sense. This franchise really has me scratching my head at times. 

[14 in Green]

We've won 14 games in 3 years, and now have a new Coaching staff. Yet everybody moans when we cut a player from this team. Long and Crowell were fliers. Their signings were minimal risk, possible reward. We got 2 bodies for a year. Neither was horrible (cue the bad snap remarks lol) when healthy, but we're looking to upgrade in both areas this season. Macc did what he does best, he signed them both to easily disposable contracts. We aren't any worse without them, and odds are we'll be better.

[Lith]

22 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Lucky he couldn't get into Wharton. 

At least we still got Brandon Copeland.  A guy I can root for and feel good about.

[#27TheDominator]

2 minutes ago, Lith said:

At least we still got Brandon Copeland.  A guy I can root for and feel good about.

He's an unrestricted free agent.  Interesting thing is that he was an OLB for the Jets, but I think they considered him a 43DE before we signed him.  It will be interesting to see if they keep him around.  He played like 70% of the ST snaps.  That probably means Boyer likes him. 

[HelenOfTroy]

29 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Lucky he couldn't get into Wharton. 

He didn’t have a pappy that paid for his exceptance to an “Ivy League” school.

Any moron can get in Wharton if the school is paid off...

[Paradis]

1 hour ago, choon328 said:

 

I said this elswhere --- i don't like it. 

If only because - Macc will fck it up. He'll swing for Bell, miss -- panic and sign some overpaid COP back like Coleman, and torpedo any chance of drafting a stud. 

Another layer to this lasagna baked mess by M.M.

[JoJoTownsell1]

41 minutes ago, JiF said:

Yes, it's actually a good strategy to continually waste money on players that have no long term future and keep a revolving door at certain positions. 

That, ladies and gentleman, is how you rebuild the Big Mac way baby!!!!

You guys get so emotional about nothing. What if we gave Spencer long a 1 year deal. Would that have made you happier? Because that is what we did, except better since if he had played great we could have kept him. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

35 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Yes, the Nate Solder singing was idiotic. The analogous Mac signing would be Trumaine Johnson -- a disastrous overpay for a decent player.

Do I understand the cap now?

At least this time you make a good argument. Bashing the Long and crowell signings is just letting your emotions get the best of you. I liked sound arguments, not unsubstantiated rants.

[JustInFudge]

2 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

You guys get so emotional about nothing. What if we gave Spencer long a 1 year deal. Would that have made you happier? Because that is what we did, except better since if he had played great we could have kept him. 

The best way to rebuild is to give guys 1 year contracts and start all over again at that position next season.  The true definition of roster building right there.  

JoJo - hot take bro!!!

 

[JoJoTownsell1]

4 minutes ago, JiF said:

The best way to rebuild is to give guys 1 year contracts and start all over again at that position next season.  The true definition of roster building right there.  

JoJo - hot take bro!!!

 

When you are rebuilding with zero chance to win in 2018, it would be IDIOTIC to load up on high priced free agents that want long term deals. It's smarter to scoop up some cheap "fliers" and see if you can catch lightning in a bottle. If you do, great. If you don't, it's painless to move on. 

Again, I know you are one of those guys that hate Macc and everything he does so I am not expecting you to see through that hate. 

[ChuckkieB]

Too bad Mac can't release himself.  

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Our offense is going to be super dynamic after we sign Alfred Blue.

Get Alfred the ball all day baby!  #BlueBalls

 

 

[varjet]

39 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said:

He didn’t have a pappy that paid for his exceptance to an “Ivy League” school.

Any moron can get in Wharton if the school is paid off...

I went to Wharton undergrad.  I went through the college process with my son.  I have observed it for my friends kids.  This is far from a true statement.

What is true is that if you are ALUMNUS who contributes generously, you can greatly increase your child's chances of getting into Wharton.   That is a $1 million gift.  But the child needs to be qualified-basically median board scores, which for Wharton is like 32-34 ACT.  

If a legacy's scores are a bit lower with that type of donation, you may be able to get into Arts and Sciences.

If the alumnus has been an active supporter and their child is qualified, that usually gets them in, understanding that Penn rejects plenty of applicants who are qualified.   But Wharton spots are very hard to obtain, even for alumni children.  Only the best student athletes are offered Wharton spots as well.   When I was there it was more generous, but not anymore.  

Put into perspective, out of a class of almost 2500 freshmen at Penn, I think around 300 of them would be children of alumni who contributed, and the vast majority of them would have been qualified.  Out of Wharton, that could be 30-45 of the 300 spots.  

I am also the graduate of a University of California graduate program.  I have seen USC in action.  USC, along with SMU and Duke, are the schools with the reputation of being kindest to its contributors and legacies.  USC has improved tremendously over the last 30 years academically, but it maintains a split personality-the fraternity and sorority crowd who have a great time and take advantage of the connections, and the others, many on scholarship and/or international, who work very, very hard, all the time.  Part of that is to avoid walking around campus and getting killed.  

[JustInFudge]

1 minute ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

When you are rebuilding with zero chance to win in 2018, it would be IDIOTIC to load up on high priced free agents that want long term deals. It's smarter to scoop up some cheap "fliers" and see if you can catch lightning in a bottle. If you do, great. If you don't, it's painless to move on. 

Again, I know you are one of those guys that hate Macc and everything he does so I am not expecting you to see through that hate. 

Yes, JoJo.  This is a great strategy.  Draft terribly and save up a bunch of cap space to simply have a revolving door at certain positions because you're just throwing sh*t at the wall to see if it sticks with all your FA $$$.  That's how good teams do it and sustain success.  

When you think about it, look no further than all the progress the Jets have made with this full proof strategy deployed by Big Mac.  I mean, the Jets are loaded with talent and have so many players under contract for next season that homeboy can just put his feet up and relax.  It's working so well, the Jets have are bottom 3 in the NFL in the wins dept under Big Mac.

I should really applaud Mac for his efforts.  Really impressive results after 5 years.

 

 

[14 in Green]

9 minutes ago, JiF said:

The best way to rebuild is to give guys 1 year contracts and start all over again at that position next season.  The true definition of roster building right there.  

JoJo - hot take bro!!!

 

I understand your point, but does every signing have to be a game changer? Sometimes you just need a body for the short term. Isn't it better to sign a Crowell or a Long to a one year deal with a team option then over pay a player you aren't sure about but who plays that position of need?

I'm not defending Macc for his bad drafts (although I thought last years was good) or his FA failures (there have been many). But the Long and Crowell type signings are not the type that hurt a team, they can only help it if the GM is smart enough to structure their contracts the way Macc did.

[Nixhead]

Not to worry. Vinny Curry is switching to running back. He’s available. Jamal just eat dinner with his agent last night. I think somethings in the works. 

[playtowinthegame]

1 hour ago, choon328 said:

The contacts were structured in a way so that they were both basically given 1 year deals. There's no dead money for either player. The one thing Macc does well is structure contracts. 

Mac almost always has a good escape hatch. It's like he was signing players for Bowles.

[peebag]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

good.  I don't like him at all.  He's inconsistent and sometimes a liability on the field.  And his off-the-field personality is that of a major azzhole.  His post showing a police officer bleeding out with a slit throat was enough for me.  My daughter's fiance is a NJ State Police Trooper and I take Crowell's disgusting post personally.  His wiping his arse gesture in the end zone was also horrible and not funny in the least.  

Goodbye Isaiah.  DOn't let the door hit your empty head on the way out.  And instead of wishing you luck elsewhere, as I would normally do, GFY and drop dead or both.

But, how do you really feel about Mr. Crowell?

[Creepy Lurker]

2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

So Spencer Long and Isiah Crowell, both signed to multi-year contracts both dumped after one season.

Why is Mac still employed again?

Sigh.......

[Bleedin Green]

Some of the attempts of defense for Mac around here are laughable with how absurd they are. Yeah, don't worry guys, Mac is great at knowing how awful all of his signings will be, and so he makes sure the contracts (which he doesn't write up himself) are designed around his own incompetence.  Don't we all just feel so much better now?

[MDL_JET]

2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

So Spencer Long and Isiah Crowell, both signed to multi-year contracts both dumped after one season.

Why is Mac still employed again?

Edit. Read this wrong lol

[HelenOfTroy]

19 minutes ago, varjet said:

I went to Wharton undergrad.  I went through the college process with my son.  I have observed it for my friends kids.  This is far from a true statement.

What is true is that if you are ALUMNUS who contributes generously, you can greatly increase your child's chances of getting into Wharton.   That is a $1 million gift.  But the child needs to be qualified-basically median board scores, which for Wharton is like 32-34 ACT.  

If a legacy's scores are a bit lower with that type of donation, you may be able to get into Arts and Sciences.

If the alumnus has been an active supporter and their child is qualified, that usually gets them in, understanding that Penn rejects plenty of applicants who are qualified.   But Wharton spots are very hard to obtain, even for alumni children.  Only the best student athletes are offered Wharton spots as well.   When I was there it was more generous, but not anymore.  

Put into perspective, out of a class of almost 2500 freshmen at Penn, I think around 300 of them would be children of alumni who contributed, and the vast majority of them would have been qualified.  Out of Wharton, that could be 30-45 of the 300 spots.  

I am also the graduate of a University of California graduate program.  I have seen USC in action.  USC, along with SMU and Duke, and the schools with the reputation of being kindest to its contributors and legacies.  USC has improved tremendously over the last 30 years academically, but it maintains a split personality-the fraternity and sorority crowd who have a great time and take advantage of the connections, and the others, many on scholarship and/or international, who work very, very hard, all the time.  Part of that is to avoid walking around campus and getting killed.  

?

My snarky remark was based on one infamous alumnus....

 

I’ll remember to tell my alum friends that worry about their grandchildren qualifying for acceptance to USC, that their money and donations will be enough.

Fortunately for USC, no one is killed walking around campus....I have yet to see children of privilege walk around campus with body guards, or segregated from the “neighborhood” students on full scholarship.

But, continue on with the fallacy of USC being a dangerous place for her students based on the neighborhood.  

[Jet9]

1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said:

Lucky he couldn't get into Wharton. 

I grew up in Wharto... Oh, THAT Wharton. 

[JustInFudge]

15 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

I understand your point, but does every signing have to be a game changer? Sometimes you just need a body for the short term. Isn't it better to sign a Crowell or a Long to a one year deal with a team option then over pay a player you aren't sure about but who plays that position of need?

I'm not defending Macc for his bad drafts (although I thought last years was good) or his FA failures (there have been many). But the Long and Crowell type signings are not the type that hurt a team, they can only help it if the GM is smart enough to structure their contracts the way Macc did.

If you're isolating those 2 particular signings, no, it doesnt hurt the team.  But when it's consistent thing year after year with damn near every single FA signing, than yes, it 100% hurts the team because you're not actually building a roster.  You're throwing sh*t at the wall and hope it sticks.  News flash; they're not sticking.    Consequently, the Jets are one of, if not the least talented teams in the NFL, with the least amount of players under contracts, with the 3rd least amount of wins in the last 4 years and are ushering in a new coaching staff. 

So yes, this strategy is hurting the "rebuild". 

[Bleedin Green]

34 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

You guys get so emotional about nothing. What if we gave Spencer long a 1 year deal. Would that have made you happier? Because that is what we did, except better since if he had played great we could have kept him. 

 

31 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

At least this time you make a good argument. Bashing the Long and crowell signings is just letting your emotions get the best of you. I liked sound arguments, not unsubstantiated rants.

Clearly the issue here is you're looking at this situation in a vacuum, which is extraordinarily flawed logic.  If this situation were an outlier for Maccagnan, no one would give the tiniest flake of sh*t.  However, in reality, the failures of his signings is a never-ending constant for him, and just one week into the NFL offseason, before the new league year has even begun, we've already tacked two more names onto the list of incompetence, which includes the overwhelming majority of the moves Macc has made in his tenure here.

[joenamathwouldn'tcry]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

 This is a ridiculous post. The rebuild started two years ago and the guy orchestrating it is the guy who signed Crowell last year to a multi-year deal. This, plain and simple, is a failure.

Where is the ridiculous part?  That it is a different day, different team?  Sorry bud, it is.  In "Gase" you haven't noticed we have virtually a completely different Coaching staff, and only 20 something players remain from the 2018 roster.  If that's not a rebuild, please tell me what you would call it?  What else do you have a problem with?  Is it your contention that Crowell had a good season last year?  If you feel that way, I disagree.  That too, is not ridiculous.  Should we have kept him?  That would have been almost ridiculous. Is it because I didn't turn the post into another "Let's bash Maccagnan" thread?  Oh, that must be it.  Must every comment and observation, on each and every thread, be a referendum on Maccagnan?  If you choose to do that, go at it.  That is what should seem ridiculous.  I, on the other hand have moved past it.

[JustInFudge]

3 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

 

Clearly the issue here is you're looking at this situation in a vacuum, which is extraordinarily flawed logic.  If this situation were an outlier for Maccagnan, no one would give the tiniest flake of sh*t.  However, in reality, the failures of his signings is a never-ending constant for him, and just one week into the NFL offseason, before the new league year has even begun, we've already tacked two more names onto the list of incompetence, which includes the overwhelming majority of the moves Macc has made in his tenure here.

is there an echo in the room???

[varjet]

2 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said:

?

My snarky remark was based on one infamous alumnus....

I do not know the story of how the POTUS got into Wharton.  He went to NYMA to HS, which was actually known to be remedial.

He went to Fordham for 2 years and then transferred in.   His father was not poor at that time but not a billionaire or today's equivalent.   My guess is that some money changed hands.

For the three Trump children with Ivana, Donald Jr. went to Wharton, Ivanka went to Georgetown and transferred into Wharton, and Eric went to Georgetown and never went to Wharton.   I have fraternity brothers that knew Donald Jr, and he was completely mainstreamed, no bodyguard, etc.  He actually borrowed money to do his laundry.  But I also assume that if there was a price to get the other two into Wharton initially, it would have been paid.  

If you walk around Penn, you will notice the ABSENCE of anything named after the President's family.  Zero.  The only thing that comes to mind is Jamaica Hospital in Queens, and I believe that money came from his father.  

For Tiffany, I don't know her deal, but my guess she had protection given who her father became.  She graduated from the College of Arts and Sciences.  

[CanadaSteve]

2 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

So Spencer Long and Isiah Crowell, both signed to multi-year contracts both dumped after one season.

Why is Mac still employed again?

Yes this is true...he has made some VERY bad FA signings

At least he is cutting bait rather than holding onto a mistake.

 

[14 in Green]

10 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said:

?

My snarky remark was based on one infamous alumnus....

 

I’ll remember to tell my alum friends that worry about their grandchildren qualifying for acceptance to USC, that their money and donations will be enough.

Fortunately for USC, no one is killed walking around campus....I have yet to see children of privilege walk around campus with body guards, or segregated from the “neighborhood” students on full scholarship.

But, continue on with the fallacy of USC being a dangerous place for her students based on the neighborhood.  

He could've made a snarky remark about your school's most (in)famous alumnus, but he didn't.

You love to dish it out, but can't take it.

[joenamathwouldn'tcry]

1 minute ago, 14 in Green said:

He could've made a snarky remark about your school's most (in)famous alumnus, but he didn't.

You love to dish it out, but can't take it.

I hope you weren't going to besmirch the memory of Joe McKnight, were you?  RIP

[bealeb319]

I would expect to be fired too if I weren't good at my job

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[varjet]

4 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

He could've made a snarky remark about your school's most (in)famous alumnus, but he didn't.

You love to dish it out, but can't take it.

Penn is no bargain either, but I was referring to a string of incidents a few years ago where Chinese students were killed.

Both schools have relatively high campus crime rates.  

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-southern-california/student-life/crime/

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/university-of-pennsylvania/student-life/crime/

[UntouchableCrew]

53 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

At least this time you make a good argument. Bashing the Long and crowell signings is just letting your emotions get the best of you. I liked sound arguments, not unsubstantiated rants.

Who's ranting? 

I pointed out that this was another poor signing, one of many that illustrate our GM is bad at his job and should have been replaced. There's no emotion or long rants. Just reality.

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

1 hour ago, Dcat said:

good.  I don't like him at all.  He's inconsistent and sometimes a liability on the field.  And his off-the-field personality is that of a major azzhole.  His post showing a police officer bleeding out with a slit throat was enough for me.  My daughter's fiance is a NJ State Police Trooper and I take Crowell's disgusting post personally.  His wiping his arse gesture in the end zone was also horrible and not funny in the least.  

Goodbye Isaiah.  DOn't let the door hit your empty head on the way out.  And instead of wishing you luck elsewhere, as I would normally do, GFY and drop dead or both.

Glad this piece of sh*t, pun intended, is no longer on the team.

Besides his disgusting internet work, to me he represented the epitome, with his Cleveland gesture, of a totally undisciplined basically coach-less team.  Which the Jets pretty much were for the entire and incredibly long Bowles tenure.