joewilly12 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Jets can steal Patriots starters Trey Flowers and Trent Brown in free agency By MANISH MEHTA FEB 13, 2019 | 12:15 PM The Evil Empire’s rule over the NFL landscape has been a perpetual pain in the posterior for the Jets. So, if you can’t beat them OR join them, there’s only one thing left to do: Steal from them. Surely, the Patriots can appreciate such a strategy given their past thievery (see: SpyGate). Although the Jets technically won’t be committing larceny, they are well-positioned this offseason to weaken The Dark Side by pilfering two key pieces to their championship puzzle. Gang Green has the financial resources ($100 million in salary cap space) to bolster two pivotal areas of need by signing free agent defensive end Trey Flowers and offensive tackle Trent Brown next month. It would be the ultimate win-win for Mike Maccagnan and Adam Gase: Pluck a pair of key starters from your biggest divisional threat. The Jets desperately need an upgrade on the edge. The 25-year-old Flowers would provide new defensive coordinator Gregg Williams with an invaluable versatile player, who has proven to be effective getting to the quarterback and stopping the run. Bill Belichick and Brian Flores moved Flowers around like a chess piece en route to winning their second Super Bowl in three seasons. Trey Flowers (Charles Krupa / AP) Flowers’ sack totals don’t jump off the page (6, 7 and 7 1/2 in the past three seasons), but he affects games in myriad ways. He racked up 45 quarterback hits and more than 60 pressures the past two seasons. He lined up all over the formation to create havoc against the pass and run. Flowers’ 10.5 percent run-stop percentage ranked fourth among defensive ends this season, according to Pro Football Focus. He finished with 57 tackles, including nine for loss and three forced fumbles. Belichick knew exactly how to maximize Flowers’ versatility. The thinking is that Williams, who doesn’t lack for self-confidence, would be able to do the same for a such a versatile player entering his prime. Brown, a mountain of a man, is expected to be one of the most coveted tackles in free agency, but comes with more risk than Flowers. The 6-8, 365-pound lineman was a pleasant surprise in his first year with the Patriots, who pulled off a draft-day trade with the 49ers last year. Trent Brown (Don Wright / AP) Brown, who will turn 26 in a couple months, had a solid regular season replacing Nate Solder before taking his game to a higher level in the playoffs. His success transitioning from right tackle in San Francisco to Tom Brady’s blind-side protector will land him a big payday this year, but he had his fair share of hiccups with 35 pressures allowed. Only one tackle allowed more quarterback hits (12). The 49ers also expressed concerns about Brown's weight, which had to remain under 365 pounds in Foxborough (even though he was listed at 380). The Jets, who already cut starter Spencer Long, will be re-tooling their offensive line this offseason. Veteran left tackle Kelvin Beachum has an $8 million non-guaranteed base salary in the final year of his contract. Right tackle Brandon Shell is coming off knee surgery that landed him on season-ending injured reserve in December. The Patriots aren’t expected to place the $14 million franchise tag on Brown given that 2018 first-rounder Isaiah Wynn is in line to take over after missing last year with a torn Achilles suffered in the preseason. (They also likely don’t think that Brown warrants that kind of loot). Brown might be an upgrade for the Jets, but it’s fair to wonder how he’ll do outside the gates of The Empire. “Trent’s very athletic,” Belichick said in November. “A lot of times on the left side of the line you face some very athletic players. Some have size, but a lot of them are maybe a little undersized relative to the guys on the right side, but their speed and athleticism can be a little bit greater. He’s able to match up with those guys with his length and his athleticism, and then he has some advantages over there with his size and his power.” “He’s a very unique player with his skill set. The size is rare. His athleticism is good, but when you combine it with his size, that’s rare too. You don’t see guys that big playing over there and he’s very gifted.” The smart take from the strong. The Jets have a chance to get better and weaken their most hated rival by adding Flower and Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Yes, because overpaying Patriot castoffs is always a sound business decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Buyer beware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 But if it's "free agency", then how are they stealing them? Wouldnt it be more like, the Pats let them walk? I guess say anything just to feel like we somehow one-up'd them. Manish is simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Want nothing to do with either of these guys unless we strike out big time early on in FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Flowers is good imo. Brown is a risk as you cannot hold on every single play once you leave the pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I'm all for Flowers, I don't think I want Brown though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Flowers is good imo. Brown is a risk as you cannot hold on every single play once you leave the pats. Read what Von Miller says about him. He's a big yes for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I’d take Flowers in a heartbeat but don’t want anything to do with Brown. Beachum is at least a competent starting LT if he’s healthy. Draft a developmental guy in the 3rd round to hopefully take over in a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 Both players improve this team and weaken the Patriots. Sign me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Brown sucks. Free holding, TONS of weak side support and Brady throwing the ball in 1.8 seconds covers his flaws. No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Brady finished 7th in the league for time to throw the ball at 2.61 seconds. I'm always leery of lineman from New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustEndTheSuffering Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 A lot of pats players are not the same after they leave ''the system''. Be careful Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 this holding nonsense needs to stop. If it was real former players and opponents would be up in arms about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 ✔ 2018's highest-graded interior defensive linemen in the AFC East @nyjets! 468 9:47 AM - Feb 13, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, JustEndTheSuffering said: A lot of pats players are not the same after they leave ''the system''. Be careful Mike. So true and many players vastly improve after they go there Kyle Van Noy being a perfect example stunk with Detroit and is now a beast LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Paying fair market value is not stealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 There is a reason the pats arent resigning these guys. Stay away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Since Belichick got this rolling in New England, you can probably count on one hand the number of players that they let go that were even close to as good with their new team as they were with the Pats. Probably won't even have use up the entire hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Wow that would be huge if true! If it does happen, I expect the Patriots to win the division, get a 1st round bye, go to the AFC championship game then make another Superbowl (where they'll probably win again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 this holding nonsense needs to stop. If it was real former players and opponents would be up in arms about it. The Pats have one of the best OL Coaches in the NFL. Even if you don’t buy the holding conspiracy, it’s been a virtual lock that Pats OL who excel there become mostly ordinary when they leave. Solder being the most recent example, Logan Mankins another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElBarrioJets Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 44 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I’d take Flowers in a heartbeat but don’t want anything to do with Brown. Beachum is at least a competent starting LT if he’s healthy. Draft a developmental guy in the 3rd round to hopefully take over in a year or two. This. Groom a guy to take over LT next year. Hell even if you use a top pick, let him learn for a year under Beachum, if he beats him out, that's even better. I think people need to accept that this line is not getting fixed in an offseason. That said, if we come out of FA with a new guard and center and draft future replacements for Beachum/Winters, that would be huge for Sam's development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Yes, because overpaying Patriot castoffs is always a sound business decision. i think they should get a look. at the very least signing them would deplete the patsies a bit but as you say, the patsies don't give up the good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Flowers seems like a pumped up linebacker rather than a pure edge rusher. Solid stats, nothing spectacular. It's up to Williams to see if he thinks there's anything there. Probably will command more money on the FA market than he's worth. Brown is huge, maybe too much so. Has a propensity for extreme weight gain. Gave up a lot of pressures and 3.5 sacks, considering the quick pass release scheme of the Patriocheats, that could be a concern. Had six penalties this year, not outstanding or terrible. Best attributes are his size, run blocking and playoff performance. Made himself a fortune on his future contract off this seasons playoff performance. May be prohibitively expensive.????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Flowers is legitimately good (IMO better than Chandler Jones). He’s young, smart, versatile and has made huge plays in the most important games (a game winning sack in the Atlanta Super Bowl). Unlike Chandler Jones he is consistent. He won’t have the four sack games, but he is perpetually disruptive against even the best OL, and doesn’t hurt the team by making many overplay mistakes. He’s great against the run, deals with doubleteams well and can line up everywhere on every down. He’s going to get a huge payday now with all the press, and I don’t know if it’s worth at this point financially. Brown is interesting. He’s extremely inconsistent and I saw him make multiple mistakes that Brady hid. He also can get beat by the speedy DEs. However, he doesn’t get beat fast as much as you would expect and he absolutely manhandles bullrushers. He’s not great in the run game, but you would expect him to be dominant there given his size so he can potentially improve a lot. His potential of course is limitless, and for the right price he is a very intriguing prospect who could be a dominant franchise LT. Still, there is a lot of risk bc his tape is spotty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 hours ago, johnnysd said: Brown sucks. Free holding, TONS of weak side support and Brady throwing the ball in 1.8 seconds covers his flaws. No thanks Rubbish Von Miller says he’s the best OT he’s ever faced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: There is a reason the pats arent resigning these guys. Stay away. Belichick never gives out big extensions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJF71 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 hours ago, JetsFanatic said: Buyer beware. Especially with Trent Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: The Pats have one of the best OL Coaches in the NFL. Even if you don’t buy the holding conspiracy, it’s been a virtual lock that Pats OL who excel there become mostly ordinary when they leave. Solder being the most recent example, Logan Mankins another. Brown is younger, bigger and better than Solder. Mankins was a documented roider who was old and finished when Belichick got rid of him I get the argument about Scarnechia but I doubt Gase will have a slouch coaching his O-line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet_Engine1 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 6 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: But if it's "free agency", then how are they stealing them? Wouldnt it be more like, the Pats let them walk? I guess say anything just to feel like we somehow one-up'd them. Manish is simple. 100%, Dude. "Chasing" the Patriots, basing all of your decisions on the Patriots, hiring defensive Head Coaches to "harass Tom Brady" is a road to failure. There are better players available, and everyone knows you DO NOT sign former Patriots and expect the same level of play, especially at OL and WR. And why would we need another 3-4 DE anyway? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Yea, like most have already said: it usually doesn’t work when Patriots go somewhere else. Would rather pay big money to one of the elite pass rushers if they break free (Lawrence, Clowney, Clark), or go with Brandon Graham for two/three years. As for tackle, I’m starting to think there’s nobody significantly better than Beachum on the market, and we should be more focused on the top two centers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhead Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Patriots have a pipeline of players constantly coming up thru their system. sh*tt they have 12 draft picks this upcoming draft. Best thing the Jets can do is raid their practice squad and keep raiding it. Cut some of our dead meat and pluck 4 players off their practice squad. That would mess the Pats up more imo than overpaying for Brown. Now Flowers I would take but with all the D ends that could be available including the draft no need to overpay for his services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I'd be in on Flowers but very leery of Brown. Grabbing Flowers would vastly improve our pass rush and also hurt the Pats as well. Double benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Trey flowers avg about 7 sacks a year . If the jets sign him and he put up the same production with us. there will be jets fans saying he sucks cause he isn’t JJ Watt or Donald . Anyway I would be happy to get both players doubt it happens tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 I get people being cautious about Trent Brown, but he was good against elite rushers all year, while learning a new position. He only got better as the season went on. He’s young, athletic, and powerful. Draft is a crap shoot. I’m all for signing Brown, and Flowers. But New England is not letting Flowers go. He’ll get the franchise tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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