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12 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

This is actually pretty interesting. I wonder what KC would expect to get back?

You're going to get a lot of "off sides" comments from the peanut gallery, but he's a really good player.

This is interesting. I feel like teams aren’t as picky about trade compensation when they are ready to move on from a player or if it’s a poor scheme fit. 

You would think Dee Ford would be fine in a 4-3 but maybe they are willing to take a 2nd or 3rd. I have no idea what to expect anymore in this league. 

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They can’t be expecting to receive a big haul for him considering whoever trades for him will have to pay him. With that being said the Jets should absolutely do their due dillegence in trying to acquire either him or Justin Houston (who I also heard might be available)

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Just now, Rhg1084 said:

They can’t be expecting to receive a big haul for him considering whoever trades for him will have to pay him. With that being said the Jets should absolutely do their due dillegence in trying to acquire either him or Justin Houston (who I also heard might be available)

Let the chiefs have him.  Once Houston is gone he will be exposed 

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48 minutes ago, Rhg1084 said:

They can’t be expecting to receive a big haul for him considering whoever trades for him will have to pay him. With that being said the Jets should absolutely do their due dillegence in trying to acquire either him or Justin Houston (who I also heard might be available)

Everyone always says this and It's rarely true. It'll take a 1 to get him based off of his outstanding 2018.

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3 hours ago, peekskill68 said:

C'mon Dude.  The KC defense couldn't stop a nose bleed the 2nd half of that game.  It was far more than Ford's stupid penalty...

Team sport, I agree. However, if Ford was not off sides on that play, KC wins. 

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6 hours ago, Ghost said:

Team sport, I agree. However, if Ford was not off sides on that play, KC wins. 

It was on a failed 2nd down so we really don't know if KC defense would have been successful on 3rd down. 

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4 minutes ago, JetFreak89 said:


If I remember correctly, it wasn't just a failed second down, it was when Brady threw the interception which definitely would have iced the game. The offsides nullified the pick.


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You may be right, that game was painful, maybe I'm thinking about the Rams game & the ridiculous rough the passer call after the Rams forced losses on 1st & 2nd down?

There is always SOMETHING that goes the Pats way in every freaking game. Those 2 things above probably changed the course of NFL history. 

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15 hours ago, peekskill68 said:

C'mon Dude.  The KC defense couldn't stop a nose bleed the 2nd half of that game.  It was far more than Ford's stupid penalty...

But the game would have been over with that Brady INT regardless.  So he handed it to them

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Giants possible trade with Chiefs: Landon Collins for Dee Ford sounds like video game but makes sense

Updated 8:50 AM; Today 6:30 AM
Giants safety Landon Collins and Chiefs linebacker Dee Ford could solve each other's problems by trading places.
Giants safety Landon Collins and Chiefs linebacker Dee Ford could solve each other's problems by trading places.
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By Ryan Dunleavy | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com

INDIANAPOLIS — It’s the kind of trade you might see in the Madden video game. 

Star young player for star young player with no concern about complications of dead money on the salary cap. 

But this one actually has a real-life component to it.

The Chiefs placed their franchise tag on edge-rusher Dee Ford but are listening to trade offers because he is not an ideal fit for their new defense, according to ESPN’s Adam Schefter.

The Giants should call. And they should offer safety Landon Collins on a franchise tag in return.

Collins, 25, is a three-time Pro Bowler whose best play came under Steve Spagnuolo, the former Giants defensive coordinator who now is running a 4-3 scheme with the Chiefs. Ford, 27, is coming off his first Pro Bowl season and is a better match for the Giants’ 3-4 scheme.

The franchise tag is a high-paying one-year contract that varies based on position. The salary is equal to the salary cap figure because there is no bonus money attached.

Players who are tagged have until July 15 to reach an agreement on a long-term extension and they do not have to sign the offer sheet before the regular season, though that can be risky as Jason Pierre-Paul and Josh Norman learned with rescinded offers.

For Collins and safeties, the number is $11.15 million. For Ford and linebackers, the number is $15.4 million.

In order for this trade to happen, the Giants need to place their tag on Collins by Tuesday’s NFL-imposed deadline. Collins and Ford have to sign their offers before the deal could be done, and trades cannot be officially completed until March 13.

If tagged, Collins likely would hold out until at least the week before the regular season opens, a source told NJ Advance Media. He is coming off season-ending shoulder surgery and might have been a non-participant in OTAs and minicamp anyway, but the Giants being without their defensive co-captain would be a distraction during training camp.

And general manager Dave Gettleman made it clear that part of his job is to clear distractions from the locker room.

The Giants tied for second-to-last in the NFL in sacks last season and are seeking trade offers for Olivier Vernon, who is the only player on the roster with more than six career sacks. Ford has 30.5 career sacks, including 13 last season.

The Chiefs expressed trade interest in Collins before the in-season deadline in October but the Giants decided not to move him. The decision not to acquire a mid-round draft pick for Collins if the plan was not to engage in extension talks is head-scratching considering the Giants never were in the playoff hunt last season.

Collins would fill one of the major holes for the Chiefs and allow future Hall of Famer Eric Berry to play more of a coverage role while Collins is the run-stopping strong safety. The Chiefs then would have by far the highest paid safety duo because Berry is No. 1 at $13 million.

Gettleman wants to go into the season with at least $8 million in cap space available, so Ford’s contract would put a major dent in the plan. His franchise tag cap hit is about $4.3 million more than Collins', but the Giants value pass-rusher much more than safety.

The Giants, who have $27 million in salary-cap space according to overthecap.com, could free up another $11 million by releasing an un-tradeable Vernon, who comes with $8.5 million in dead money. That money would be re-directed to Ford and the Giants could add the other pass-rusher they need via the NFL Draft or second tier of free agency in a loaded market.

How would Ford and Collins feel about this trade? That key component is unknown, but players generally are unhappy about the tag because it does not offer long-term financial security in a high-risk sport.

But the unhappiness might subside in a new environment with the possibility of a fresh start in contract negotiations.

The Giants presenting the trade to Collins and the Chiefs to Ford as “We are not going to sign you beyond 2019, but this other team has more interest in giving you what you want" might just be enough of a selling point.

 

 

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18 hours ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said:

Dee Ford's Franchise Tag tender is going to be 16.325 Million Dollars.  That's Demarcus Lawrence money.  Dee Ford is a good player.  He is not Demarcus Lawrence.  That and it would cost draft capitol to acquire him.  I expect KC will ask for a #1 pick.  The money and the trade cost don't add up.  PUNT.

In the recent past I'd agree but now Demarcus Lawrence money is going to be north of $20MM/yr, with a lot more than $16MM guaranteed. If he's even available. Too few edge rushers around, and too many teams with the space to make him fit. 

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