nyjbuddy Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Another ex-Patriot that couldn't cut it elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, nyjbuddy said: Another ex-Patriot that couldn't cut it elsewhere. Or yet another example of how the rest of the roster besides Brady doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, nyjunc said: Or yet another example of how the rest of the roster besides Brady doesn't matter. and the coaches besides BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Exactly why u dont touch flowers or anyone the patriots are willing to let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe W. Namath said: Exactly why u dont touch flowers or anyone the patriots are willing to let go. Especially their O lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 2 hours ago, nyjbuddy said: Another ex-Patriot that couldn't cut it elsewhere. In fairness, not that I want him but he had his 2nd highest tackle and sacks totals of his career last season, hardly a stud player so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 It looks like they are about to move on from Kevin Zeitler, OG, as well. He's a good lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 It’s almost as if coaching actually matters in the NFL, who woulda thunk it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 1 minute ago, NoBowles said: It’s almost as if coaching actually matters in the NFL, who woulda thunk it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 He had decent stats with the Browns, but this is a cap move. Like a lot of players in the NFL, once he got his payday, his interest and his play dropped. A motivated Jamie Collins is one of the most talented players in the league, but I’m not sure if he is still that interested. Could be an interesting player if we got him on a one year prove it deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFaninMI Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 30 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said: Bowles always looked like he was squeezing out a deuce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Just now, JetFaninMI said: Bowles always looked like he was squeezing out a deuce. He always looked clueless and on drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 Just now, JetFaninMI said: Bowles always looked like he was squeezing out a deuce. Which describes most of our games under him perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 13 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Exactly why u dont touch flowers or anyone the patriots are willing to let go. 100%. 17 million for Flowers? I wouldn’t come near him or that offensive tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ghost said: 100%. 17 million for Flowers? I wouldn’t come near him or that offensive tackle. imo it's a little short sighted to completely reject any player because they were on the patsies. i don't see many players that duplicate their previous success with their next team. some do some don't. some move on when they get their payday. with regard to flowers and brown, they should be looked at. this is their chance for a payday and that has to be a consideration. will they reach a comfort zone and mail it in like wilky? hard to say. with regard to collins, he has a ton of talent but maybe has some issues. i think he had an issue with the cops when he was with the patsies but cleveland gave him a good contract for some reason and it looks like he didn't mail it in. i think he should be worth a look. he could be a decent edge rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 13 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Exactly why u dont touch flowers or anyone the patriots are willing to let go. Flowers to me is an exception, like chandler jones. Flowers will be a good player wherever he winds up. Collins was dumped by the Pats because he dint play within the system, constantly free lanced, and wasn't coachable. All good reasons to be let go by a team that values those things more then someone being a good individual player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphtrilogy Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 13 hours ago, The Crusher said: Especially their O lineman. Funny how you get called for offensive holding once you leave the cone of silence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, Ghost said: 100%. 17 million for Flowers? I wouldn’t come near him or that offensive tackle. Apart from the $, is this guy really any better than Henry Anderson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Fully expect him to wind up back in New England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Untouchable said: Fully expect him to wind up back in New England. And will be extremely productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Im not advocating to sign Jaime Collins but remember the year we got out of DeMario Davis when he returned from Cleveland. Most definitely coaching plays a part in NE look at Kyle Van Noy and Trent Brown perfect examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 18 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Exactly why u dont touch flowers or anyone the patriots are willing to let go. Danny Woodhead sure didn’t work out for the chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 17 hours ago, Hael said: He had decent stats with the Browns, but this is a cap move. Like a lot of players in the NFL, once he got his payday, his interest and his play dropped. A motivated Jamie Collins is one of the most talented players in the league, but I’m not sure if he is still that interested. Could be an interesting player if we got him on a one year prove it deal. I remember people saying at the time they signed him that the Browns overpaid for him. This IS a cap move and I would consider a one year "prove it" deal with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 17 hours ago, Hael said: He had decent stats with the Browns, but this is a cap move. Like a lot of players in the NFL, once he got his payday, his interest and his play dropped. A motivated Jamie Collins is one of the most talented players in the league, but I’m not sure if he is still that interested. Could be an interesting player if we got him on a one year prove it deal. Promote Neville Hewitt to top of the depth chart, cut Lee and sign either Collins or Kiko Alonso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 18 hours ago, BigRy56 said: It looks like they are about to move on from Kevin Zeitler, OG, as well. He's a good lineman. Let's get anyone in here that would be an upgrade over who we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 17 hours ago, Hael said: He had decent stats with the Browns, but this is a cap move. Like a lot of players in the NFL, once he got his payday, his interest and his play dropped. A motivated Jamie Collins is one of the most talented players in the league, but I’m not sure if he is still that interested. Could be an interesting player if we got him on a one year prove it deal. lol, what? They have $81M in cap space and their QB and pass rusher are both on their rookie deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhead Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Players play hard so they can get that second big contract. Once they have accomplished their goal and they get paid what is their incentive to play as hard as they did earlier in their career? Its only human nature. Once you get paid you can slack. It takes a special player to get that second big contract and play as hard and as good as before the contract - there are some. The Patriots know who these players are that will keep producing and they get them signed. The others that they know will take the money and most likely tank they let go. Flowers just won 2 superbowls the past 3 years. He's averaging 7 sacks a season for a team that is always ahead so other teams are passing trying to catch up. He was a 4th round pick so he's really looking for the money. I just don't see him being highly motivated to keep producing at his highest level once he gets paid and he has 2 rings in his pocket. Sure we could use him but buyer beware - don't even come close to overpaying for this player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolloffjet Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 20 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said: Exactly why u dont touch flowers or anyone the patriots are willing to let go. Yea cardinals shore didn’t like chandler jones and he sucked one he left the pats (^_-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 The problem with Collins is he is a one dimensional player. All he really does is rush the passer and he is just average at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 22 hours ago, section314 said: Apart from the $, is this guy really any better than Henry Anderson? He’s a lot more versatile. I think Flowers will actually play good wherever he goes, but he will not live up the ridiculous contact he’s going to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 On 3/6/2019 at 6:23 PM, Hael said: He had decent stats with the Browns, but this is a cap move. Like a lot of players in the NFL, once he got his payday, his interest and his play dropped. A motivated Jamie Collins is one of the most talented players in the league, but I’m not sure if he is still that interested. Could be an interesting player if we got him on a one year prove it deal. He will go back to Pats for 2/3rds the money, a Superbowl and make the Pro Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 On 3/6/2019 at 3:32 PM, nyjunc said: Or yet another example of how the rest of the roster besides Brady doesn't matter. They went 11-5 with a QB named Matt Cassel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 hours ago, DonCorleone said: They went 11-5 with a QB named Matt Cassel. And missed the playoffs a year after going 16-0 against a much tougher schedule. That same QB would lead KC to the playoffs two years later. The NE dynasty is all about Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 2 hours ago, nyjunc said: And missed the playoffs a year after going 16-0 against a much tougher schedule. That same QB would lead KC to the playoffs two years later. The NE dynasty is all about Brady. Once Brady retires Belichick will be sprinting out of Foxboro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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