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3 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

I was talking about on the secondary market for individual games. I’d never buy a PSL 

That's a foolish decision, but that's up to you.

Another foolish decision would be to get season tickets in the upper deck as you would never sit next to the same fans the whole season and you'll be interrupted by $8 ticket drunks who can't control their language or their bowels.  If you want to go to all 10 home games, buy them on a per-game basis on StubHub and head to the Lower Level where you might get lucky and sit next to some civilized people.

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2 hours ago, Ghost said:

Why do you care how rich people spend their money? Let the guy go. He’s not a criminal just because he’s not “investing” in a PSL.

We all don’t “own” a seat like you. After all, your name is on it. 

I don't care how others spend their money but he asked so I answered.  I've never asked anyone advice on season tickets so I don't expect or want any.  Thanks.

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1 hour ago, Lot K Tailgaters said:

This is a good season for season tickets.   With the Cowboys, Steelers and Giants all coming in here.   I sit upper deck corner end zone and pay $500 a season.   You may only want first row or two or if you’re willing to shell out $900 just pay $950 and take mezzanine end zone seats depending if you like sideline or end zone views.   

If you do it demand a yellow parking pass and don’t buy unless they allow you to purchase yellow.  Orange is a disaster.   

Agree completely that it's a great season to watch Jets games, but the OP is interested in selling games to turn a profit and that's not going to happen in the UD because (estimating) there are 3,000 unsold seats up there that the Jets themselves are moving at discounts and then for a typical game you have (estimating) 2,000 fans who have family/work conflicts.  No matter how compelling the matchup, UD seats have just too much competition with that many seats in the aftermarket to be a wise investment.

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3 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

Let me clue you in on something, the same thing is happening in the MEZZ and LL section of the stadium. The NY Jets are selling single game tickets without a PSL fee. So you too might not be sitting next to the same fans the entire season for the most part. There are no exclusive seats except for possibly of the family section where there is no alcohol allowed located in 224b where you wont encounter fans under the influence. 

It is a good to purchase PSL seating from the NY Jets and on the after market there are some really good deals available at a fraction of the cost of what original purchases paid.

joewilly12 

I sit in the first row of a terrific, desirable section that I hand-picked on day-one of the PSL selection process.  And as a result I sit next to the same 20 guys and their wives and kids who have become good friends of mine and my families.  And that's what season tickets are really all about; sharing the good times and bad with a consistent set of fans that you think of as brothers.

What happens in other areas of the stadium and on your couch doesn't affect me.

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4 hours ago, sirlancemehlot said:

And as for PSL's...man what a disaster that's become for the team and fans alike.  They overvalued those seats tremendously and now have to sell the balance of unpurchased seats to opposing fans.

PSL's are not a disaster for the team or the fans.  The team raised millions and filled the house before the bandwagon fans quit in 2011.  The single most important event in fan history was the process by which the grandchildren of loyal Shea Stadium fans who became greedy ticket-scalpers with their inheritance had their rights stripped and assigned fair market value.

Those of us who were waitlisted for 20 years (raises hand) finally got our opportunity to get great seats and all it cost us was $7 a game.  Chump-change.  And the Jets haven't raised ticket prices since 2008, effectively wiping out the PSL fee in the last 11 years. 

The PSL turned out to be a non-event.  And now I have seats in my name for 30 years and if the Jets get good, I can sell them for 2x what I paid.  Thousands of others in a similar situation.

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3 hours ago, J-Diddy said:

I was able to obtain a 2 season tickets in section 220a row 2 without a PSL just a month ago. 95 a ticket.  Mine as long as I want. I get playoff rights and all without a PSL.  This is a very desirable section on the jets sideline with a great low row. 

That's awesome, we have a very similar view.  Congrats and enjoy.

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13 hours ago, sirlancemehlot said:

SAR, you've been repeating this mantra for years.  You can just keep doubling down, but face it, the facts just aren't in your favor.  You will never sell your tickets for 2X what you paid.  You will never recoup the PSL's.  You're OK with that because the PSL's essentially eliminated all of your competition by pricing out fans that once held those seats for years.  Individually, for you, it was a good thing.  But history has shown that the expectation the Jets head for season ticket sales was never met.  Ideally you'd like the lion's share of your seats to go to season ticket holders, as they did when the Jets played in Shea and Giant's Stadium.  Now, the stadium is filled with fans of the opposing teams, because the Jets have to have a fire sale by game 4.  If and when the Jets "get good" seats will still be available, their price will just rise to face value or a bit above.  Enjoy your seats, I really mean that.  I gave up my seats and took a loss on the PSL because it was just not making any sense to me any more.  

First off, thank you, good post, and I understand that you made a decision to walk away from the PSL and I support that, there were some dark times and season tickets are expensive.  I get that completely.

But as far as historical perspective goes, the Jets were sold out in 2009 when the new stadium opened and they got paid.  Remember, with the average season ticket holder having 3 seats, there were only 16,000 people who wrote PSL checks to the Jets anyway, all this hubub and all this media and it was about a handful of New Yorkers in an area with 20 million people who decided to spend a little bit more money.  Radio people talked for a decade (idiot Beningo still talks about it) as if it was an affront to Jets fans but the reality is that it was only a small amount of people; and most of us had the money.  Each year only 2% or 3% of all PSL's were up for sale on resale sites, very few people defaulted on a few grand.  The Jets got paid.  PSL's were and are a success.

Next, the stadium has a healthy amount of opposing fans because Jets fans are cheap and look for loopholes and free tickets more than any fanbase I've ever seen.  I've been selling a few seats a year to games I can't attend for the last 19 years and I've had some really good Row 1 Mezz locations the whole time and I can count on one hand where I broke even or came out ahead.  When the Jets suck, fans don't show up.  And those that do come into the stadium late and drunk and leave early to beat the traffic home to the urinal.  And NY being a tourist destination, you're always going to get enemy fans, no different than Miami, Chicago, New England, San Diego, it's all the same in destination cities.

The Jets ticket problem has nothing to do with PSL's.  It has to do with the fact that since Christmas 2011 sitting at 8-5 with three games left against losing teams the Jets have gone south.  The Mezzanine and LL are nicely filled even in bad years.  The issue is all those fans who packed the upper deck when the Jets didn't put a PSL up there took off.  Playoffs stopped, the gravy train of selling their Giants Stadium seats for huge money was cut off, the team stopped winning, goodbye.  When the Jets get good, perhaps as early as this year or next, the place will be packed again.  Those sitting at home pointing fingers and whining about 'enemy fans' are the very people who caused the problem, not the Jets, not the PSL's.

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6 hours ago, Ghost said:

I’ve been going to 4-6 games a year for the past 20 years. I’ve spent as long as $5 and as much as $260 for a game. 

When the Jets become an elite team, then it makes more sense to invest in season tickets. 

When the Jets become elite, like we were going into the 2010 and 2011 seasons, Jets fans show up.  But when we are mediocre, they don't show up.  So those who take shots at Jets fans for the past 8 years from the comfort of their couches need to look in the mirror.  They're the problem.  Oh, and now that we have Sam Darnold and, oh, perhaps we'll go 8-8, a year from now you'll have people getting season tickets and acting like everything's fine, "I've been going to Jets games since 1980 in Shea Stadium".  Yeah, no.

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6 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

 Its like they say a bad day of fishing is still better than a day at work. 

Being at the stadium at a NY Jets game win or lose (better to win) is a better than not being there. 

Go chase down the orderly and get those meds in your system and get a new diaper on. 

I guess you don't read your own posts. 

You have attended ONE Jets game in MetLife Stadium!  We have been there 9 years!

Are you drunk?

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6 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

SAR I is this you? You forgot to bash blue collar workers, military,police,fire and rescue personnel and tailgating. 

I don't bash blue collar workers.  I respect how they keep my utilities functioning.  I just don't want to sit near them.

I don't bash military, police, fire, and rescue personnel.  I'm just tired of the Jets taking their money to give them phony moments of recognition at the end of every quarter and guilting me into standing up for the past 9 years. 

I bash tailgating.  The 80's are over.  Drinking and smoking and listening to bad hair rock isn't cool anymore, especially if you're pushing 60.

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2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

I've been to more Jets game at MetLife than you think about going to and I don't even have season tickets. 

Go list your tickets on StubHub i'm quite sure some opposing teams fan cant wait for you to do so. 

Whats the excuse going to be this time, why you cant make it. 

Investment Gold. 

SELLOUT SAR I 

joewilly12 

You don't go to Jets games so you don't have any say.

I have never sold a seat to an opposing fan.  I list my quality location for sale on Stubhub below face value so that Jets fans can buy them and support the team on Sunday's when I have a work or family conflict.  If a Viking fan bought my seats instead of you in Sam Darnold's rookie year after beating Denver and Indianapolis in consecutive weeks on a beautiful October day that is most definitely on you and the other 20 million people in the NY Metro area and not on me.

Show up or shut up.

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4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Attending a bad loss at MetLife is better than being anywhere else.

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1 hour ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said:

HAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Investment oppurtunity . I have a bridge that I'd like to sell you . HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!! 

A bridge?  I don’t think you have a 1998 Hyundai to sell me.  You don’t have to worry about how rich people spend their fun money, friend.

Not all PSL’s are equal. I’ll never sell them, but Row 1 Mezz A Corners will be worth more than what their owners paid for them if/when the Jets become an elite AFC team again.  There are hundreds of thousands of Jets fans in the area who would love to regularly attend games with their families to see a winning product, just like we all did back when every PSL seat was sold out in 2009, 2010, and 2011. 

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17 hours ago, CTJetsFan said:

I hesitate to do this. I get that most of what you say is just to piss people off and get reactions/replies, but ya gotta stop with this BS (yeah, I know you won't) 

I don't post anything to piss anyone off.  I post my honest feelings on the matter.  I find that there are too many Jets fans without PSL's who project what they assume to be my feelings onto me when, in fact, I'm not feeling that way at all.

17 hours ago, CTJetsFan said:

There was a season ticket wait list in the 90s. I know because I waited for 4 years. There is none now. You can get whatever you want...or can afford.

I was on the season ticket waiting list from 1988 to 2002, that's 14 years.  Of course there is no waiting list now, that's not up for debate.  The reason?  All the waitlisters got the seats that the awful Giants Stadium squatters were occupying.  You know, the 'fans' who would sell their fathers seats to ticket brokers instead of giving them up.  Easy money.  Like families of 20 who wait on line at iPhone launches to ship them off to China and Mexico.  Make a few grand for nothing.  They all left when PSL's forced them out.

17 hours ago, CTJetsFan said:

1/2 the stadium is non-PSL.

When the PSL's were completely sold out in 2009, there were 27,000 upper deck seats that were non-PSL and 55,500 that had PSL's.  I don't know what that number looks like today, but I don't see your point.  All bets were off when the Jets started to suck hard from 2012 to 2018.  That 7 year stretch saw the Jets lower ticket prices, eliminate some PSL's, and start making value bundles.  Anything to sell tickets.  Can't say I blame them.  The goal has always been to fill the stadium with Jets fans.  They did a good job as we are #2 in attendance in the entire NFL despite being an awful team.  I'd rather sit next to fans who didn't pay a PSL and got their seats for half price and sit in an empty stadium.

17 hours ago, CTJetsFan said:

Jets season tickets (especially with a PSL) will never be a profitable "investment". If you feel you are getting maximum enjoyment and entertainment for what you chose to spend....good for you. Enjoy it.

I didn't buy my PSL's as some form of "investment".  The $16K is less than I spend on a single annual vacation to the Caribbean with my family and we've taken 10 since MetLife opened.  Do you remember what you spent $16K on more than a decade ago?  Who cares anymore?  Answer-  no one except some disgruntled ex-Giants Stadium fans who lost their easy money gravy train of making $4K a year from ticket brokers.  F-them.  They're the ones who put me on the waiting list for 14 years.  Shoe on the other foot now.

17 hours ago, CTJetsFan said:

Something's value (ex. Jets tickets) only appreciates if a) the buyers' market perceives the value to be more than your cost (or asking price) and/ or b) demand exceeds supply. I haven't seen either happen in 25 years for Jets tickets (I didn't pay attention to ticket prices before then). Maybe a game here and there, but that's it.

Not a single fan in my Mezz A Corner section has given up their PSL seats.  We are in the best section in the whole stadium from a standpoint of view, proximity to sidelines, postgame egress, and value.  We are priced like endzone seats and we're 12" from the Club seats.  And the same elements that drew us to choose the Mezz A Corners in 2008 exist right now.  I'm not selling them, but I could turn a profit on my Row 1 PSL's tomorrow if I wanted to.  Because in a Metro area of 20 million people there most certainly is a wealthy Jets fan and his family looking for First Row Non-Club seats with some elevation and they aren't any for sale.

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16 hours ago, NoBowles said:

Me, last time they called me and asked me to buy season tickets:

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Me the last time they called me asking if I was happy with my Row 1 PSL's and if I would enjoy 6 complimentary VIP family passes to the Jets upcoming training camp.

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16 hours ago, The Crimson King said:

Three separate sales reps from the Jets have called in the past two weeks trying to sell season tix including one offer to apply the PSL payments I stupidly made (and walked away from) for 6 years to "upgraded" seats

It is just business but it is starting to get slightly annoying 

With Sam Darnold, Le'Veon Bell, CJ Mosely, Jamal Adams, Adam Gase, Gregg Williams, and Joe Douglas in the fold, how could you say no?

If you signed up for PSL's for Rex Ryan, Mark Sanchez, and Bart Scott at the peak of the Patriots dynasty, why wouldn't you get back onboard right now when B&B are set to expire and things are looking extremely bright for the NYJ?

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16 hours ago, sec143dmf said:

I agree with both of you and I am a PSL holder.  I don't post much but I read most of the nonsense this SAR guy say's and it is complete BS.  The only thing he says that is true is that it is his money and he should do what he wants with it and nobody should care.  But I can tell you just about every week I have friends who attend games and buy off stub hub or some other re-sale site and they pay less then I do, sit in better sections and they obviously don't have any PSL fee.  Also late in the season last year I had surgery and couldn't attend the games.  Forget selling them at face value.  I could barely get .50 on the dollar so I tried giving them away.  Couldn't even do that.  While I hope Sam and the Jets turn things around this year and in the future years there is no way my PSL fee's were worth it.  Easily one of the stupidest things I have ever bought in my life and I have bought some pretty dumb things.  Just an honest opinion from a PSL holder.

I don't think you actually read my posts and instead are just looking for someone to rant about your poor PSL experience at.

I agree with everything you said about resale values.

Where we differ is that a) I had Day 1 seniority and chose Row 1 seats in the best non-Club location in the stadium, and b) as a result of that my PSL's would sell for more than what I paid for them when the Jets turn it around.  Not everyone is smart.  Not everyone chose their PSL locations correctly.  I did.  So when people try to take shots, well, it's not going to work in my case.

Every other post of mine in this thread has to do with the situation today here in 2019 and how cheap Jets fans are.  Hey, if someone can't afford PSL's or a full season subscription, I get that, I was in my 20's once.  But don't tell me you can't go to a 1-2 games a year when you can sit pretty much anywhere you want for $25 a game.  That's chump-change and it's embarrassing that there were 10,000 Vikings fans in our stadium last year when that many Jets fans could have filled those seats for beer money.

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12 hours ago, Lizard King said:

If you could go back and track what stub hub a day before vs face value has been since the start of that particular era, you’d probably save 60-70% by waiting, no exaggeration 

And if you didn't smoke a pack of cigarettes a day for the last 20 years you would be $109,500 richer.

And if you didn't have a dog for the last 20 years, you would be $32,902 richer.

People do irrational things with their money.  We all have our vices.

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11 hours ago, NoBowles said:

I guess they are right, there is a sucker born every minute....

Sucker?  I love the Jets and I love spending quality time with my family. Being a season ticket holder is a fantastic experience.  Even if the team loses the 6 hours with family makes it all worthwhile.  And when we do start winning again?  Please, there's nothing better.

Don't you worry about how rich people spend their fun money.  It's not like we were going to give it to you.

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10 hours ago, Rhg1084 said:

I wound up purchasing 2 tickets in section 338 row 8 for about $900 a ticket and I bought a parking pass as well for $250. Add in the cost of tailgating each week I’m probably close to $1500 for the season. I plan on going to each game and will only sell if it’s a last resort. And obviously if I could afford it I’d love to sit downstairs midfield and but I’m happy with my seats upstairs. 

Outstanding.  Ignore the haters and enjoy the season. 

Spoiler:  It ends with us hosting Pittsburgh win-and-in, Darnold and Gase get it done in front of a raucous home crowd.

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11 minutes ago, jgb said:

How Woody see us

 

Woody Johnson is Abraham Lincoln.  When the statue of him is erected in front of MetLife Stadium, I'll be the first one there to lay a rose.

18,000 Jets fans were on a season ticket waiting list from 1985 to 2009 and the PSL process freed us from the bondage of being held captive by selfish Giants Stadium fans who through nothing but dumb luck wound up in grandpa's 40 yard line seats and sold them to ticket brokers at market value of 3x to 5x face value.  They profited off of the backs of Jets fans who every year moved up a few measly places in line to pray that one day they would get awful upper endzone seats by the flags.

God bless the PSL process.  I'm not selling so I don't expect to get back a dime of my $16,000 but it was worth every penny.  I punted a turncoat profiteer out of his Giants Stadium cash cow.  I control the stadium now.  I decide what games the rat bastards who used a $3 per game PSL fee as an excuse to quit on the team get to buy in the aftermarket.   Sweet revenge. 

God bless Woody Johnson.  The Stadium Emancipator.

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10 hours ago, Apache 51 said:

 What about baseball, apple pie, and chevrolet?

Baseball and all the Yankees success is a bit boring, apple pie is a guilty pleasure, and I wouldn't be caught dead in a Chevrolet.

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2 hours ago, BCJet said:

God forbid you have to stand up to show your thanks for people who risk their lives keeping you safe.

I love that you bash tailgating, one of the least offensive things a person could do on earth.  Ripping people for bbq'ing good food and enjoying time with their friends and family - the only reason someone would do that is if they had no friends..................

You're pathetic.   PSL GOLD

I thank those in public service all the time.  We stand up and cheer at the July 4th parade, we donate money to the police department, we attend the fireman's fair.  What the Jets are doing isn't the same thing.  They are taking money from the Army and advertising the Army in the form of artificially generated "honorings" to get to impressionable young minds.  "Hey Lieutenant Dan, yes, we'll honor four of your wounded boys this Sunday, it'll be $50,000 per slot, total of $200,000, you've got the budget, right?"  It's gross.  

Of all the things the Jets have done, this is the one thing you should be hating on, not the color of the walls in the stairwells.

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