nyjbuddy Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 No evidence that the Jets are interested but he has a connection with current OC Dowell Loggains. Loggains was his OC back in 2016 and 2017 when he had his two best years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 If we whiffed on Bell, we could do worse than a RBBC of Jordan Howard, Tevin Coleman, & Elijah McGuire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 At the right price, why not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 How many NFL trades ever work out in the long term? How do you avoid having to pay FAs unless you keep lots of draft picks? Maybe player for player can work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, nyjbuddy said: No evidence that the Jets are interested but he has a connection with current OC Dowell Loggains. Loggains was his OC back in 2016 and 2017 when he had his two best years. Then Loggains should know that Howard isn't anything special. I don't like Tevin Coleman or Isiah Crowell, but I don't see much of a difference between them and Howard and you can have the likes of Crowell/Coleman/Ingram without giving up a draft pick. There is a reason a team is giving up on a guy like Howard when their only other viable RB is a 5'5 gimmicky RB. In the modern NFL, guys like Howard (And his 3.7YPC last year) are a dime a dozen. Solid, but unspectacular runner who isn't very good out of the backfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisfaceoff Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Really not a fan of Howard at all. I agree we could do worse, but I would be hesitant to pick him up in FA, let alone giving up some kind of draft pick, regardless of round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Not a superstar RB but Jordan Howard is a consistent RB who gets the job done I would prefer Bell. If he can do what Thomas Jones did here after coming from Chicago i'm all for it as plan B or C. And at what cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisfaceoff Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Not a superstar RB but Jordan Howard is a consistent RB who gets the job done I would prefer Bell. If he can do what Thomas Jones did here after coming from Chicago i'm all for it as plan B or C. And at what cost? I don't think he is actually consistent at all. Granted Cohen played well, but even still, Howard was getting less and less snaps it seemed last year, and the ones he was getting I think were more negative than positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, chrisfaceoff said: I don't think he is actually consistent at all. Granted Cohen played well, but even still, Howard was getting less and less snaps it seemed last year, and the ones he was getting I think were more negative than positive. 3 years in the NFL averaged 1000 yards a season high 1300 yards low 935. 8 TD's 2 seasons 1 season 6 TD's in my book thats consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayzor Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 My extended family is full of die hard Bears fans. They want him replaced asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Howard sucks balls and if Mac gives up a draft pick for that 3.8ypc he’s even dumber than we thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 “What has happened to Jordan Howard?” has been a popular question in fantasy circles since his breakout rookie season. And the answer is pretty simple: His line stopped helping him. Howard has been roughly similar after contact in his career (2.98 yards in 2016, 2.52 in 2017, 2.74 in 2018), but before contact, his numbers have been plummeting (2.22 to 1.58 to 1.00). Yes, he’s nothing much in the receiving game, and yes, Tarik Cohen is siphoning his work, and yes, Howard is at best a mid-tier back, but he is neither as good as he was in 2016 nor as bad as he looked in 2018. That was with a line that PFF ranked 11th (though mainly because of their pass blocking abilities) vs the Jets 25th. Side note: Elijah McGuire was the number one on the same list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 IMO there is NO WAY Macc is giving up a draft pick this year for a RB. If he didn't learn his lesson after Zac Stacy he should be given death by Bongo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 37 minutes ago, varjet said: How many NFL trades ever work out in the long term? How do you avoid having to pay FAs unless you keep lots of draft picks? Maybe player for player can work. The Herschel Walker trade worked out great, just not for the Vikings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, shuler82 said: Howard sucks balls and if Mac gives up a draft pick for that 3.8ypc he’s even dumber than we thought. Jordan Howard if acquired would be the best RB on the roster. FYI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardTodd27 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Probably one of the least exciting RB's around. Solid but unspectacular is correct. That said, I don't mind giving up a 7th rounder for him. Those guys usually don't pan out anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 just draft one then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 wat about just signing players in free agency and drafting them, could be a solid strategy i dunno guyz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 14 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Jordan Howard if acquired would be the best RB on the roster. FYI He had a solid rookie year and has barely been adequate since. His claim to fame is he’s stayed healthy, enabling him to compile stats. But he’s about as unexciting as a RB as there is in the league. Add in the Bears want to get rid of him and you want to use a draft pick to get him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, shuler82 said: He had a solid rookie year and has barely been adequate since. His claim to fame is he’s stayed healthy, enabling him to compile stats. But he’s about as unexciting as a RB as there is in the league. Add in the Bears want to get rid of him and you want to use a draft pick to get him? Agree to disagree and for the record im all in on Bell if too costly then Coleman. Howard would improve our RB situation Crowell had 1 decent game here he is not the answer. Howard shared carries with Cohen or his numbers would have been better and spending a 6th-7th round pick with the way we draft is a solid investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjbuddy Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 Howard could be an alternative to signing Coleman. Positives: Howard has a proven starting workhorse back in the NFL. He is almost 1.5 years younger than Coleman. His cap hit this year is $2M. Negatives: He lacks the ability to take part in the passing game. His production may be slipping as shown in his statistics. Coleman is looking for a contract similar to McKinnon's which was 4 years $30M. Howard would likely cost a day three pick. By signing Coleman the Jets would increase their RB spending from $5M to $7.5M. They could cut Crowell after this signing with a post-June 1st cut and free up $4M making the entire transaction a $4.5M cost increase against the cap. By trading for Howard, his $2M cap hit along with cutting Crowell post-June 1st, the Jets would gain $2M in cap space that could be used somewhere else. That's a $6.5M difference between the Coleman and Howard transactions. Giving up a late round draft pick for a $6.5M difference in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 47 minutes ago, nyjbuddy said: Howard could be an alternative to signing Coleman. Positives: Howard has a proven starting workhorse back in the NFL. He is almost 1.5 years younger than Coleman. His cap hit this year is $2M. Negatives: He lacks the ability to take part in the passing game. His production may be slipping as shown in his statistics. Coleman is looking for a contract similar to McKinnon's which was 4 years $30M. Howard would likely cost a day three pick. By signing Coleman the Jets would increase their RB spending from $5M to $7.5M. They could cut Crowell after this signing with a post-June 1st cut and free up $4M making the entire transaction a $4.5M cost increase against the cap. By trading for Howard, his $2M cap hit along with cutting Crowell post-June 1st, the Jets would gain $2M in cap space that could be used somewhere else. That's a $6.5M difference between the Coleman and Howard transactions. Giving up a late round draft pick for a $6.5M difference in cap space. How many years is left on his contract? These veterans for draft picks deals are just bad, unless you get at least 2 years and the contract is reasonable. We all thought the Anderson trade was great. Anderson played great for the Jets last year as they went 4-12. We gave up a 7th round draft pick. There was a low chance that pick could have been a player on the roster from 2018-2021. If we don't resign Anderson, we had Anderson for a bad 2018 and nothing else. Even if we do resign Anderson, it will be expensive after 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Backs that can’t thrive in the passing game aren’t what we need . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prestige Worldwide Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 hours ago, peekskill68 said: IMO there is NO WAY Macc is giving up a draft pick this year for a RB. If he didn't learn his lesson after Zac Stacy he should be given death by Bongo... Did you mean death by Mongo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe the Breadman Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 hours ago, BigRy56 said: If we whiffed on Bell, we could do worse than a RBBC of Jordan Howard, Tevin Coleman, & Elijah McGuire All things considered this could very well be the BEST possible ourcome....all 3 of those guys collectively could theoretically be cheaper than Bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Howard, Coleman, and Saffold?!?!? IU East Baby!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 3 hours ago, BigRy56 said: If we whiffed on Bell, we could do worse than a RBBC of Jordan Howard, Tevin Coleman, & Elijah McGuire howard, coleman and ingram would be better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Still nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 hours ago, BigRy56 said: If we whiffed on Bell, we could do worse than a RBBC of Jordan Howard, Tevin Coleman, & Elijah McGuire Do you guys think it’s the year 1994? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, IndianaJet said: Howard, Coleman, and Saffold?!?!? IU East Baby!!!! Move TC to Bloomington baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Do you guys think it’s the year 1994? Why what year do you think it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 All this emphasis on the rb position yet we stink at wr and have zero depth at tight end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, Philc1 said: All this emphasis on the rb position yet we stink at wr and have zero depth at tight end Agree Philc1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 56 minutes ago, Philc1 said: All this emphasis on the rb position yet we stink at wr and have zero depth at tight end So let's talk about it and get it out the way already. What JAGs did you want to sign at WR and as our backup TE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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