Justin Houston

[Thai Jet]

3 hours ago, playtowinthegame said:

Houston will pick the Ravens. Book it. 

That would make sense, sadly, since they are more of a contender. Would love to see him in Green and White tho.

[jetscrazey]

Houston is a veteran who can plug into a scheme easily.  Why would he want to sign with a team now and have to attend OTAs, etc?  I can see him waiting until June/July to sign with a team, maybe later.

[Ex-Rex]

On 3/15/2019 at 9:25 AM, RichardTodd27 said:

Houston had 9 sacks in 12 games last year (and 10 the year before). We might have to pay this guy something substantial.

If we still have the cap room, I don't see why not. You can never have too many elite pass rushers (and as of now, we pretty much don't have any )

His price will come down the closer to the draft and OTA's. He is asking for too much for a 30 yr old, oft injured pass rush specialist, but I would sure like to see him in green and white.

[Savage69]

On 3/15/2019 at 10:35 AM, CTJetsFan said:

Wasn't there rumors around the time he was drafted that he might actually be older than he was listed as (was born overseas)?

Found an article: https://sports.yahoo.com/news/old-lions-ziggy-ansah-ghanaian-reports-raise-doubt-real-age-164843693.html

In dog years he's 133..

[Thai Jet]

1 hour ago, slimjasi said:

If he were a little less injury prone and/or a little younger, I'd be all in. 

 

So would every body else.

[Dcat]

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[joewilly12]

My guess is his price MM doesn't want to pay. 

[tdoublee]

Just for kicks, I did a quick comp between Jonathan Abraham and Justin Houston's first 8 seasons thru age 29.


Jonathan Abraham 67.5 sacks/ 87 starts

Justin Houston: 78.5 sacks/ 98 starts

Abraham age 30-35: 66 sacks/ 87 starts

Abe virtually matched his previous sack production in three fewer years.

Some of the best sack artists have hit their prime at 30. Strahan set the sack record at 30. James Harrison had best season at 30 with 16 sacks.

Its a gamble due to previous injuries, but someone will eventually pay Houston's price. I'm still a little salty we traded Abe in his prime.

[jack48]

On 3/15/2019 at 9:22 AM, Skeptable said:

Costello is a hack... and Vacchiano is right he will want somewhere in the range 13-15 Mil a year and probably a 4 year deal.

In the second stage of FA I do not see him getting it.  I see his price coming down.  The silly money period is over.

[jack48]

On 3/15/2019 at 10:31 AM, Barkus said:

Ray is a headcase and injured a lot. I would look into Shaquille barrett he has potential. 

he also does not sack anybody

[WayneChrebet80]

To me Justin Houston is a “missing piece” kind of guy.

I would wait until the Jets show signs of being a good fooball team (on the field) before I am handing out significant dollars to an older player. 

 

[ScarletKnight89]

We are not going to end up with an edge rusher this off season lol. It's starting to become obvious. They've already passed on the better quality pass rushers that were available in FA, don't seem that interested in Houston, and when the Jets pick 3rd overall we'll be taking Quinnen Williams. Another interior lineman lol. No pass rusher once again. 

[rldev]

5 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

We are not going to end up with an edge rusher this off season lol. It's starting to become obvious. They've already passed on the better quality pass rushers that were available in FA, don't seem that interested in Houston, and when the Jets pick 3rd overall we'll be taking Quinnen Williams. Another interior lineman lol. No pass rusher once again. 

Who was a better FA pass rusher then Houston?

[ScarletKnight89]

16 minutes ago, rldev said:

Who was a better FA pass rusher then Houston?

Probably nobody based off of last season but I don't think the Jets are even interested in Justin Houston. It doesn't sound like they are. 

[32EBoozer]

If we’re going to do a true rebuild, then only younger players and draft picks should be considered.

Houston should be signed if we were 1 or 2 players away from competing for a Championship 

[LAD_Brooklyn]

If signed he's expected to start over Jenkins not neccesarily play opposite of him. 

But at what price would you walk away from negotiations from those who want him?

[Jamax99]

If he lowers hes price I can see a team like Pats going after him,  hope not,   would be nice if he doesnt sign till after draft.  If we dont get Bosa or Allen I would give him a one year 13-14y. 

[MykePM]

7 hours ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

We are not going to end up with an edge rusher this off season lol. It's starting to become obvious. They've already passed on the better quality pass rushers that were available in FA, don't seem that interested in Houston, and when the Jets pick 3rd overall we'll be taking Quinnen Williams. Another interior lineman lol. No pass rusher once again. 

Just to be clear, we didn’t pass on all of the quality pass rushers.  A few of them signed with other teams while the Jets thought the hole was filled with Anthony Barr.  They may be playing the long game on their contingency plan.

[UnitedWhofans]

Rumors are he has rejected offers from the Ravens and the Steelers

[ScarletKnight89]

1 hour ago, MykePM said:

Just to be clear, we didn’t pass on all of the quality pass rushers.  A few of them signed with other teams while the Jets thought the hole was filled with Anthony Barr.  They may be playing the long game on their contingency plan.

I get it. But they still chose to go after Barr instead of them. And Barr has no record of being a good pass rusher at the NFL level. He was used differently for Minnesota.

But really the point i'm making is that it would be so typical of the Jets to come away from this off season without a legit pass rusher either via FA/Trade and or by drafting one. 

[greenwave81]

11 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

If we’re going to do a true rebuild, then only younger players and draft picks should be considered.

Houston should be signed if we were 1 or 2 players away from competing for a Championship 

If Houston was signed here the deal would be one the NYJ could get out from under in 2 years...so, what's the problem?

Drafting Bosa and/or Allen isn't sure slam dunk answer either...may work, may not.

And signing Houston gives the NYJ flexibility to trade back in the draft to pick  OL/WR with the first few picks too.

Please God, NOT ANOTHER DT IN THE TOP 5!

[greenwave81]

2 hours ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

 

But really the point i'm making is that it would be so typical of the Jets to come away from this off season without a legit pass rusher either via FA/Trade and or by drafting one. 

You can sign Edge/pass rushers in FA...same cannot be said for good OL, especially not OT's.

What would be so typical of the NYJ would be to finally have a franchise QB and sign a future HOF FA RB and not get OL players to protect them and to say, block.

Typical NYJ would be to draft the shiny object like Bosa, or the 'consensus best player Q Williams' (gag) while ignoring the Offense (line and WR) once again hoping to win games 10-7.

[choon328]

11 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

If we’re going to do a true rebuild, then only younger players and draft picks should be considered.

Houston should be signed if we were 1 or 2 players away from competing for a Championship 

The rebuild started with drafting Darnold. They're following the Rams model. Go look at what the Rams did prior to Goff's 2nd and 3rd year. The only issue, Macc has no balls and Les Snead does.

[ScarletKnight89]

25 minutes ago, greenwave81 said:

You can sign Edge/pass rushers in FA...same cannot be said for good OL, especially not OT's.

What would be so typical of the NYJ would be to finally have a franchise QB and sign a future HOF FA RB and not get OL players to protect them and to say, block.

Typical NYJ would be to draft the shiny object like Bosa, or the 'consensus best player Q Williams' (gag) while ignoring the Offense (line and WR) once again hoping to win games 10-7.

There are no O-Lineman worthy of being drafted #3 overall. I totally agree the O-Line needs to be upgraded as well but I was just talking about the defense in this thread. They've lacked a legitimate pass rusher for too long. 

[greenwave81]

6 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

There are no O-Lineman worthy of being drafted #3 overall. I totally agree the O-Line needs to be upgraded as well but I was just talking about the defense in this thread. They've lacked a legitimate pass rusher for too long. 

So....if there's 'no OL man' worthy of being drafted #3, and doubtful starters say in round 3, and none available in FA, how you gonna build the OL?

I've said it before and I'll say it again...I see Taylor OT FL going in the top 10, usually around 6 or 7, regularly in mocks...and even a just above average LT is worth more than any DT not named Aaron Donald (and even that is debatable).  Bosa has significant injury concerns from college.  Allen is a crapshoot.  If a potential LT is there at #3, and you cannot trade back, I'd still take them...

[Philc1]

Overpay like crazy for Justin Houston.  Offer double what other teams are offering.  Screw that.  Triple.

 

Why?

 

1. He’s going to setup our first round pick Josh Allen for success (look at how Bradley Chubb got 12 sacks as a rookie lining up opposite Von Miller)

 

2. He can still play and realistically has 2-3 year’s left 

 

3. We have the cap room

 

4. Our cornerbacks suck and need a pass rush to help them

 

5. He’s literally the only good pass rusher available 

 

[Philc1]

 

18 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

There are no O-Lineman worthy of being drafted #3 overall. I totally agree the O-Line needs to be upgraded as well but I was just talking about the defense in this thread. They've lacked a legitimate pass rusher for too long. 

13 years since we had an actual pass rusher

[greenwave81]

1 minute ago, Philc1 said:

 

13 years since we had an actual pass rusher

Been longer than that since we had a FQB we needed to protect and a potential HOF RB who may actually need someone to block.

[Philc1]

2 minutes ago, greenwave81 said:

Been longer than that since we had a FQB we needed to protect and a potential HOF RB who may actually need someone to block.

The offensive line is not that bad.  Crowell had 4.9 ypc.  The wide receivers last year were really bad that helped teams stack the box and blitz

[ScarletKnight89]

8 minutes ago, greenwave81 said:

So....if there's 'no OL man' worthy of being drafted #3, and doubtful starters say in round 3, and none available in FA, how you gonna build the OL?

I've said it before and I'll say it again...I see Taylor OT FL going in the top 10, usually around 6 or 7, regularly in mocks...and even a just above average LT is worth more than any DT not named Aaron Donald (and even that is debatable).  Bosa has significant injury concerns from college.  Allen is a crapshoot.  If a potential LT is there at #3, and you cannot trade back, I'd still take them...

That's fair. But i'll agree to disagree on that simply because I don't think the talent at tackle is worth taking where the Jets are picking and I believe in Bosa and Allen. Just my opinion. 

Macc has consistently neglected the O-Line. It's clearly a problem.

[varjet]

29 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

There are no O-Lineman worthy of being drafted #3 overall. I totally agree the O-Line needs to be upgraded as well but I was just talking about the defense in this thread. They've lacked a legitimate pass rusher for too long. 

In the current 3-4 Defense Quinnen is not worth the 3rd pick for the Jets. 

Mac needs to decide whether Allen or Bosa, if available, is a Von Miller/Clowney type player.  If not, he should trade down and build the line.  

I vote tradedown 

[Jethead]

19 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

Overpay like crazy for Justin Houston.  Offer double what other teams are offering.  Screw that.  Triple.

 

Why?

 

1. He’s going to setup our first round pick Josh Allen for success (look at how Bradley Chubb got 12 sacks as a rookie lining up opposite Von Miller)

 

2. He can still play and realistically has 2-3 year’s left 

 

3. We have the cap room

 

4. Our cornerbacks suck and need a pass rush to help them

 

5. He’s literally the only good pass rusher available 

 

I’m sold. How much of woodys $ do we need?

[ScarletKnight89]

12 minutes ago, varjet said:

In the current 3-4 Defense Quinnen is not worth the 3rd pick for the Jets. 

Mac needs to decide whether Allen or Bosa, if available, is a Von Miller/Clowney type player.  If not, he should trade down and build the line.  

I vote tradedown 

I agree. I'm not against trading down if both Bosa and Allen are off the board. And if one or both is available and Macc doesn't believe either player is legit, he should probably look to trade the pick in that scenario as well.

 

[greenwave81]

21 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

The offensive line is not that bad.  Crowell had 4.9 ypc.  The wide receivers last year were really bad that helped teams stack the box and blitz

This OL is one injury away from getting Sam Darnold killed.  Shell is coming back off injury, Osemele is coming back off injury and Beachum while serviceable, better stay upright as there is no serviceable backup at LT.