bealeb319 Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Only way trading for stro makes sense to me is if we planned on flipping him again now that we essentially control the pitching market. More likely we will do something stupid now though like keep all of our starting pitchers and trade Diaz away while his value is at its lowest instead of hoping a young kid who had a rough year can bounce back for us next year. We have a few good young players we should be building around not making it so that our entire pitching core is ancient when our offense is hitting their prime.Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted July 29, 2019 Author Share Posted July 29, 2019 4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Traded away our 2016 first round pick (# 4 prospect) as well as the # 6 prospect in the system. Doubt either were going to end up much of anything, but then again Kay had TJ surgery so his development was delayed. When I said we seemed to not have given up much, I was going by what Keith Law wrote as far as the grade on these 2 top Mets pitching prospects. I think he had them in over 50 when evaluating Top 100 overall prospects. It's all a crapshoot!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said: Traded away our 2016 first round pick (# 4 prospect) as well as the # 6 prospect in the system. Doubt either were going to end up much of anything, but then again Kay had TJ surgery so his development was delayed. Kay's OK, not amazing. Who knows with Richardson. Stroman for both seems like a pretty fair trade-off. It's a weird move but it's not like handing Kelenic over. That said Brodie has pretty much drained the farm the past year and it's all been in weird ******* moves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Vargas to Philly for some AA catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 34 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Vargas to Philly for some AA catcher. That catcher is hitting .195 in double A but is known for his defensive abilities. Wtf, not expecting a superstar but we just handed a division rival a starting pitcher who, truth be told, has been pretty good of late. Couldn’t we get a catcher hitting .245? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted July 30, 2019 Author Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Peace Frog said: That catcher is hitting .195 in double A but is known for his defensive abilities. Wtf, not expecting a superstar but we just handed a division rival a starting pitcher who, truth be told, has been pretty good of late. Couldn’t we get a catcher hitting .245? A back end .500 pitcher in his mid-30’s isn’t going to bring much in return. At least it’s npt another 2nd basemen. Catching is a need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Vargas was an average pitcher with a below average attitude not sad to see him go though expected more when dealing to a division rival.Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 The Mets actually gave the Phillies enough (about 2mil) money to pay the rest of Vargas’ 2019 salary also. Phil’s will be stuck with his ‘20 option though, so Mets actually save another $2million on this deal. Hard to know what the Mets are thinking though. Can’t say they’re trying for a WC when you give a division rival a decent starter for free basically. Right now, ‘20 rotation of deGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler, Matz and Strohman looks formidable. If they aren’t blown away by trade offers, why not go with that and try to fix the defense in the offseason? This would make sense if the Wilson’s didn’t own the team, and they didn’t hate Thor, or had the money to resign Wheeler. Oh well.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 38 minutes ago, bealeb319 said: Vargas was an average pitcher with a below average attitude not sad to see him go though expected more when dealing to a division rival. Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 13 hours ago, 14 in Green said: The Mets actually gave the Phillies enough (about 2mil) money to pay the rest of Vargas’ 2019 salary also. Phil’s will be stuck with his ‘20 option though, so Mets actually save another $2million on this deal. Hard to know what the Mets are thinking though. Can’t say they’re trying for a WC when you give a division rival a decent starter for free basically. Right now, ‘20 rotation of deGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler, Matz and Strohman looks formidable. If they aren’t blown away by trade offers, why not go with that and try to fix the defense in the offseason? This would make sense if the Wilson’s didn’t own the team, and they didn’t hate Thor, or had the money to resign Wheeler. Oh well.... That is arguably the best starting staff in MLB. If Diaz returns to form next season, it would be ridiculously talented. The question then, is can we 1) assemble just enough hitting and defense to support the pitching, and 2) Can the team avoid finding new and creative ways to suck for a week at a time long enough to stay in the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, nycdan said: That is arguably the best starting staff in MLB. If Diaz returns to form next season, it would be ridiculously talented. The question then, is can we 1) assemble just enough hitting and defense to support the pitching, and 2) Can the team avoid finding new and creative ways to suck for a week at a time long enough to stay in the race. I agree. It’s a great rotation...today. The problem is, can or will the Wilpon’s spend the money to sign Wheeler? Will they resign Strohman after next year? Will they trade Thor before the start of next season because he’ll want deGrom money? If the Wilpon’s were the Steinbrenner family, we wouldn’t be that far away from a contender. Get a CF, a defensive catcher, and a SS who can field the position. Presto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Mets have to get at least a top 100 player from Wheeler in a trade. Otherwise, you hold him and if you can't come to agreement, give him the Qualifying offer. The qualifying offer alone should yield a top 100 player in return (albeit further down the pipeline). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Still expect Wheeler or Noah to be traded to get some prospects back in the system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Mets have to get at least a top 100 player from Wheeler in a trade. Otherwise, you hold him and if you can't come to agreement, give him the Qualifying offer. The qualifying offer alone should yield a top 100 player in return (albeit further down the pipeline).Clint Frazier or andijuar from the Yankees would be good compensation for wheeler without getting a prospect in return. Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 I agree. It’s a great rotation...today. The problem is, can or will the Wilpon’s spend the money to sign Wheeler? Will they resign Strohman after next year? Will they trade Thor before the start of next season because he’ll want deGrom money? If the Wilpon’s were the Steinbrenner family, we wouldn’t be that far away from a contender. Get a CF, a defensive catcher, and a SS who can field the position. Presto. Presto until Thor gets hurt and our pitchers turn on our catcher and our stud centerfielfer has a diazesq year. Alot of things can happen in a sport and buying the greatest team on paper never turns into a superbowl winSent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 The Mets actually gave the Phillies enough (about 2mil) money to pay the rest of Vargas’ 2019 salary also. Phil’s will be stuck with his ‘20 option though, so Mets actually save another $2million on this deal. Hard to know what the Mets are thinking though. Can’t say they’re trying for a WC when you give a division rival a decent starter for free basically. Right now, ‘20 rotation of deGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler, Matz and Strohman looks formidable. If they aren’t blown away by trade offers, why not go with that and try to fix the defense in the offseason? This would make sense if the Wilson’s didn’t own the team, and they didn’t hate Thor, or had the money to resign Wheeler. Oh well....That pitching staff is formidable until you realize we have one of the worst defenses in the sport and that two of our aces are injury prone?Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 20 hours ago, Peace Frog said: Couldn’t we get a catcher hitting .245? You wanted an all-star? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14 in Green Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 12 minutes ago, bealeb319 said: Clint Frazier or andijuar from the Yankees would be good compensation for wheeler without getting a prospect in return. Sent from my LGUS991 using JetNation.com mobile app No thanks. Two more guys who can’t play the field? I think we have that already covered. A CF, a catcher who can catch, and a SS who can field are what we need. Baseball 101. Defense up the middle. That will make our SPs, even the BP look a lot better. Why our team management doesn’t understand that is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: You wanted an all-star? .245 at AA. Thats .195 in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 If the Mets could pry Kiebert Ruiz (catcher) plus Dustin May (P), and something else from the Dodgers for either Syndergaard or Diaz, I would jump at that. Then extend Strohman next year. Those prospects would be much greater value than what they gave up for Cano and Diaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 11 minutes ago, Peace Frog said: .245 at AA. Thats .195 in the majors. You wanted a catcher hitting .245. Gary Sanchez is hitting .229 and he started the all-star game. He didn't start because of his defense either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, 14 in Green said: No thanks. Two more guys who can’t play the field? I think we have that already covered. A CF, a catcher who can catch, and a SS who can field are what we need. Baseball 101. Defense up the middle. That will make our SPs, even the BP look a lot better. Why our team management doesn’t understand that is beyond me. I wouldn't say Frazier can't field. I would be concerned about bringing him to the Mets though. He seems mental with the Yanks. Probably be better off going to some small market team for a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 1 hour ago, #27TheDominator said: You wanted a catcher hitting .245. Gary Sanchez is hitting .229 and he started the all-star game. He didn't start because of his defense either. Maybe I’m not making myself clear. We traded a starting pitcher- mediocre for sure- for a 26 year old catcher hitting under .200. At AA. I’m not expecting an all star or even a good catcher. But this guy doesn’t scream “big leaguer” in any respect. Or big league prospect 5 years down the line. We just traded away our 4 and 6 prospect for a really good pitcher. We couldn’t get their 30th prospect? Maybe a 20 year old kid who we might strike gold with? Its like we dumped a starting pitcher to a division rival for cash considerations and a throw away player. Sanchez is hitting .229 but he’s a proven power hitter and he’s hit major league pitching in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 And please don’t trade Noah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 6 man rotation ; WOOHOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH crap ; no vargas ; nevermind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, SAM SAM HE'S OUR MAN said: 6 man rotation ; WOOHOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to find our John Smoltz. Stat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Anyone else excited for the eventual Wild Card tease at or above .500 before the Nats sweep us?!?!?!?! I am!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, JiF said: Anyone else excited for the eventual Wild Card tease at or above .500 before the Nats sweep us?!?!?!?! I am!!!! I almost wish they didnt start sucking me back in recently. I was content with putting them to bed after that horrid June, and now they are pulling us back in a little bit just to get one more chance to stick it to us this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 minute ago, NoBowles said: I almost wish they didnt start sucking me back in recently. I was content with putting them to bed after that horrid June, and now they are pulling us back in a little bit just to get one more chance to stick it to us this year. DONT FALL FOR IT!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, JiF said: DONT FALL FOR IT!!!!! Yeah, I’ve seen this movie before, I know how it ends Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby2 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 21 hours ago, faba said: Still expect Wheeler or Noah to be traded to get some prospects back in the system The Wilpons do not want prospects, they want Major League ready players to sell to us idiots that we are competing. It is a completely ass backwards way to run a franchise, but they are in with the commissioner and no one is going to make them stop or sell so we have to suffer with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, JiF said: Anyone else excited for the eventual Wild Card tease at or above .500 before the Nats sweep us?!?!?!?! I am!!!! All part of the competitive rebuild, my friend. My father in law actually put money on the Mets to make the playoffs this year. He is convinced they will turn it around and have a great stretch run. Lets just say I am not seeing it a lot more like. Moves we make today, if any, should be with an eye toward 2020. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby2 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Starting to think we stand pat. Gonna be great seeing Diaz blow saves when we are like 2-3 games back lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RutgersJetFan Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 16 minutes ago, Lith said: This is 100% the right play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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