CTJetsFan Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Heard the guys on Sirius talking about centers last night and their value in the draft. Their feeling seemed to be you can find a starter late in the draft. The specific example they brought up was David Andrews of the Pats who was an UDFA. Not sure about how many other quality starting centers were late picks or UDFAs, but found it interesting. I'm sure it helps that Scarnecchia is his OL coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team archer Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Yeah the only problem is, that only works out for good teams. We arent lucky enough to find a quality center that late. Hell, im having a hard time believing we will find a starter in the 3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Team archer said: Yeah the only problem is, that only works out for good teams. We arent lucky enough to find a quality center that late. Hell, im having a hard time believing we will find a starter in the 3rd True. Just took a quick look. Paradis was a 6th rounder. Morse a 2nd rounder. http://www.espn.com/nfl/players/_/position/c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, CTJetsFan said: Heard the guys on Sirius talking about centers last night and their value in the draft. Their feeling seemed to be you can find a starter late in the draft. The specific example they brought up was David Andrews of the Pats who was an UDFA. Not sure about how many other quality starting centers were late picks or UDFAs, but found it interesting. I'm sure it helps that Scarnecchia is his OL coach. Based on Mac's history so far it sure seems like he subscribes to the theory of "You can get an OL later"... But who knows? Things change and he might be more willing now to address that line... He already pulled the trigger on that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 The OLine is extremely deep in this draft, you'll find starters in the 3rd & 4th rounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankiepapa Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Didn't the Jets extend Harrison? I would love an upgrade but he might be our guy for at least this year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetFreak89 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 minute ago, frankiepapa said: Didn't the Jets extend Harrison? I would love an upgrade but he might be our guy for at least this year.... I think it puts us in position that if the rookie is totally not ready and falling on his face, we have another option that can start for a few weeks or even year until the kid gets up to speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyBoop Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 The point here is that while it may be possible, you can't afford to go into the season relying on that hope. Mac must get a center asap. And the belief that Harrison is "head and shoulders" better than Wesley Johnson is just a "hope and a prayer". Johnson 'graded out well' the last few games of the season before he started and he made the entire offense worse than it already was. Harrison should not be relied upon for anything other than depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCP63 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 If the Jets drafted only offensive linemen and edge rushers the first day of every draft, I'd be okay with it. There's NEVER a time you don't need more OL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, DMan77 said: Based on Mac's history so far it sure seems like he subscribes to the theory of "You can get an OL later"... But who knows? Things change and he might be more willing now to address that line... He already pulled the trigger on that trade. I'm not sure his theory is "later" or "never" based on the amount of O-linemen he has drafted lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Manish MehtaVerified account @MMehtaNYDN 1m1 minute ago More Center remains a big need for Jets. I've been told NYJ had discussions with the top 2 free-agent centers--Mitch Morse & Matt Paradis-- but never actually made an offer to either one of them. Jets have reached out to available vets to gauge market value. Plus, draft is an option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnknownJetFan Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 13 minutes ago, DMan77 said: Based on Mac's history so far it sure seems like he subscribes to the theory of "You can get an OL later"... But who knows? Things change and he might be more willing now to address that line... He already pulled the trigger on that trade. Hey, that new Left Guard we got is already cool and tough. Said to Sam "I am your body guard now". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, UnknownJetFan said: Hey, that new Left Guard we got is already cool and tough. Said to Sam "I am your body guard now". For sure! That's partly what gives me hope that maybe Mac moved the OL up on his list of needs... I hope he isn't done with just one piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVAJet815 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Frank Pollack one of the best OL coaches in the league? Have him scout college C or look at some tape and ask him for some names he'd want. I'd have to think at least 1 or 2 of those kids would be around to snag late, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Bradberry from NCState is the NEXT Mangold. When his name first popped up in late December, I kept hearing 2nd-3rd rounder. After the combine and interviews he's now a sure-fire 1st rounder. Similar to how Billy Price from OSU shot up from a mid-2nd round talent to being picked by the Bengals at #21 overall. With Osmele & Winters (for now) bookending the Center, and Harrison as a reserve who started 1/2 the season, drafting a rookie center to plug & play in the middle of those veterans is the most practical way to go w/out overcommitting on a JAG who is being paid a premium due to our Dire Straits at the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 here's a fun fact the Jets took Geno Smith 10 picks in the 2nd round before Le'Veon Bell the draft can solve your problems if you make good draft picks. the discussion of drafting centers is moot because the Jets aren't going to do it neither Gase nor Mac care about drafting centers in the top 100 picks if I had to bet they go defender at 3, CB/OLB or a position no one expects like TE with the rd 3 picks if we are being honest there are holes all over the roster, center isn't even the worst RN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, BettyBoop said: The point here is that while it may be possible, you can't afford to go into the season relying on that hope. Mac must get a center asap. And the belief that Harrison is "head and shoulders" better than Wesley Johnson is just a "hope and a prayer". Johnson 'graded out well' the last few games of the season before he started and he made the entire offense worse than it already was. Harrison should not be relied upon for anything other than depth. Exactly this. The position certainly could potentially be filled with a mid-round pick, but that doesn't make it any less idiotic for your entire plan to be reliant on that happening. That's the kind of situation that can easily result in excessive reaching for a player and/or poorly filled positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, KRL said: Manish MehtaVerified account @MMehtaNYDN 1m1 minute ago More Center remains a big need for Jets. I've been told NYJ had discussions with the top 2 free-agent centers--Mitch Morse & Matt Paradis-- but never actually made an offer to either one of them. Jets have reached out to available vets to gauge market value. Plus, draft is an option This is baffling to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said: Exactly this. The position certainly could potentially be filled with a mid-round pick, but that doesn't make it any less idiotic for your entire plan to be reliant on that happening. That's the kind of situation that can easily result in excessive reaching for a player and/or poorly filled positions. Adrien Clarke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 This is worrying. My last hope was that Mac was talking with a team about trading someone. That doesn’t seem to be the case. Hopefully we get a starter in the draft, sign a vet now for depth. Harrison will most likely start the season, which is concerning regardless of how well he played last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, RVAJet815 said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Frank Pollack one of the best OL coaches in the league? Have him scout college C or look at some tape and ask him for some names he'd want. I'd have to think at least 1 or 2 of those kids would be around to snag late, right? I heard the same presentation on Sirius and it makes sense. I have no doubt that there will be Center available with our first pick in the 3rd round who could start and upgrade Harrison, if we pick the right guy. But that presumes that Mac puts premium value on that position and does not take a gadget WR over the Center who could start. Elflein did have a rough sophomore season, but he would have started for the Jets in his rookie year, and he played well that year for a great MN team. Instead Mac traded down to take Stewart and Hansen. Just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, bitonti said: if we are being honest there are holes all over the roster, center isn't even the worst RN I agree that there are holes all over the roster. Center is at least tied for the worst, if we think Shell is back this year. If we are trying to support Darnold, starting Harrison is a big hole. The other hole is CB2. Roberts and Harrison may be a wash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions-round/c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjets Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Other than a trade is there anyone else left? Think it is what it is. Harrison may have to be the guy. If we draft two centers/ guards I believe that’s our best move now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Just now, varjet said: I agree that there are holes all over the roster. Center is at least tied for the worst, if we think Shell is back this year. If we are trying to support Darnold, starting Harrison is a big hole. The other hole is CB2. Roberts and Harrison may be a wash. They are going to sign Travis Swanson or whoever and it will probably be fine. Can Brian Winters play center? didn't they try him there back in 15? They don't have an OLB1 or a CB2, IMO those are worse needs. And if Bosa is sitting there they won't get that OLB in rd 1. TE1 herndon is going to be suspended for a couple of games that's a pretty bad need. RB2 is McGuire that's OK not great. There's alot of ways this draft works out with them not taking a lineman until day 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 41 minutes ago, KRL said: Manish MehtaVerified account @MMehtaNYDN 1m1 minute ago More Center remains a big need for Jets. I've been told NYJ had discussions with the top 2 free-agent centers--Mitch Morse & Matt Paradis-- but never actually made an offer to either one of them. Jets have reached out to available vets to gauge market value. Plus, draft is an option If the Jet didn't even make an offer to either Morse or Paradis, doesn't it seem like Gase is good with Harrison? Guy played pretty well last year. Don't know what makes anyone think what's left in FA, or a late round draft pick is going to be any better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 7 minutes ago, bitonti said: There's alot of ways this draft works out with them not taking a lineman until day 3. unless they get bosa i don't see this happening. i hope they're prepared to trade back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, IndianaJet said: http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions-round/c Interesting. Thanks for posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: unless they get bosa i don't see this happening. i hope they're prepared to trade back. keep in mind Mac hasn't drafted a lineman high since he's been here (and the best one he's drafted was Shell in rd 5). in 2016 Gase reportedly got into a screaming match with Dolphins owner Ross about paying money for guards (Gase was against it). who is going to pound the table for the line? prediction: line is not going to be a high draft priority, they will get guys but none as impactful as KO. prepare your body for this outcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 minute ago, bitonti said: keep in mind Mac hasn't drafted a lineman high since he's been here (and the best one he's drafted was Shell in rd 5). in 2016 Gase reportedly got into a screaming match with Dolphins owner Ross about paying money for guards (Gase was against it). who is going to pound the table for the line? prediction: line is not going to be a high draft priority, they will get guys but none as impactful as KO. prepare your body for this outcome didn't they draft tunsil in the first round under gase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 minute ago, bitonti said: keep in mind Mac hasn't drafted a lineman high since he's been here (and the best one he's drafted was Shell in rd 5). in 2016 Gase reportedly got into a screaming match with Dolphins owner Ross about paying money for guards (Gase was against it). who is going to pound the table for the line? prediction: line is not going to be a high draft priority, they will get guys but none as impactful as KO. prepare your body for this outcome It may be when Gregg Williams starts bragging how his defense is gonna kick our o-line's a@@, that maybe someone will recognize that it needs to be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: didn't they draft tunsil in the first round under gase? that is a valid point but keep in mind 1) HCs don't make first round draft picks 2) Gase was hired in late Jan with the 2016 draft process in full swing. Tunsil was a Mike Tannenbaum pick through and through. Tanny still works for the Dolphins in some capacity even though not the GM anymore. That isn't to say mac wouldn't take an elite OT at 3 but that guy isn't in this draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, bitonti said: that is a valid point but keep in mind 1) HCs don't make first round draft picks 2) Gase was hired in late Jan with the 2016 draft process in full swing. Tunsil was a Mike Tannenbaum pick through and through. Tanny still works for the Dolphins in some capacity even though not the GM anymore. That isn't to say mac wouldn't take an elite OT at 3 but that guy isn't in this draft if the jets trade back in the first round it seems there's more than a 50% chance they go OL in round 1. if they stay at 3 i guess it's D. it's tough to see a draft where they go either Q or allen in round 1 at #3, then use one of those 3rd rounders on the secondary and the other on offense but not on the OL. i just can't see them doing this again this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 22 minutes ago, bitonti said: They are going to sign Travis Swanson or whoever and it will probably be fine. Can Brian Winters play center? didn't they try him there back in 15? They don't have an OLB1 or a CB2, IMO those are worse needs. And if Bosa is sitting there they won't get that OLB in rd 1. TE1 herndon is going to be suspended for a couple of games that's a pretty bad need. RB2 is McGuire that's OK not great. There's alot of ways this draft works out with them not taking a lineman until day 3. Harrison will be better supported having Osmele versus Carpenter... Harrison is more of a JAG then a hole... he isn't the worst option... He is replaceable and can and should be upgraded but saying that he is a hole is just incorrect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 1 hour ago, KRL said: The OLine is extremely deep in this draft, you'll find starters in the 3rd & 4th rounds Well....maybe you will. But will Maccagnan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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