56mehl56 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: We have drafted a lot of CB's under mac, how many of the have stepped in after a few years to contribute in a major way? We have not really even really tried to draft RBs under mac at all. We drafted a lot of CB's and Dlinemen - when the highly rated DL produces no pass rush it doesn't matter who the CB's are . Let's see if Williams can generate a pass rush and get value out of guys like Roberts , Jones and Tru. I agree Mac never effectively drafted RB's , as it seems the last 20 years of defensive minded HC's had other plans for the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 8:18 AM, T0mShane said: So if the Jets have roughly $45 million dollars in cap space left and there isn’t one player on the current roster you’d even consider extending with that cap space, and there aren’t any free agents worth anything more than tiny, one-year deals, can someone explain how Mike Maccagnan gets to keep his job into next week? Because firing him for these reasons at this time makes absolutely no sense at all? You let him get to this point, have what is being called a successful off season and then fire him? Yeah, that would help the org move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: have what is being called a successful off season Fun fact: literally every one of Mike Maccagnan’s four disastrous offseasons were considered “successful” at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Fun fact: literally every one of Mike Maccagnan’s four disastrous offseasons were considered “successful” at the time. Fun fact. Last year was successful. And better fact, has nothing to do with what hes done this offseason. No one other than a small few here are complaining that this offseason wasn't. Maybe since we let him handle this offseason we should let the season play out before deciding that this offseason was "disastrous" and Macc deserves to be fired. Call me crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: We have drafted a lot of CB's under mac, how many of the have stepped in after a few years to contribute in a major way? We have not really even really tried to draft RBs under mac at all. 4 CBs in 4 years is a lot? 3 in the 6th round, one in the 4th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJ1 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 8:18 AM, T0mShane said: So if the Jets have roughly $45 million dollars in cap space left and there isn’t one player on the current roster you’d even consider extending with that cap space, and there aren’t any free agents worth anything more than tiny, one-year deals, can someone explain how Mike Maccagnan gets to keep his job into next week? Go ask Chris....he'll tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: Fun fact. Last year was successful. Never go Full Jet Nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Never go Full Jet Nut. Really gets to the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 54 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Fun fact: literally every one of Mike Maccagnan’s four disastrous offseasons were considered “successful” at the time. So his first season here was disastrous ? Was it also his fault our locker room went to sh*t under Todd Bowles in year 2 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: So his first season here was disastrous ? Was it also his fault our locker room went to sh*t under Todd Bowles in year 2 ? They just signed a 34 year old nose tackle to a contract because the nose tackle they drafted in the third round last year can’t play. They signed a cornerback who was cut from the Jaguars to play the slot because the slot cornerback they drafted last year can’t play. They signed an inside linebacker to more money than Eli Manning is making to replace the inside linebacker they drafted in the first round three years ago. They’re probably going to draft a 3-4 DE with the third overall pick because the 3-4 DE they drafted four years ago can’t play, even though they’re also giving that DE $15 mil this year. Maybe Bowles wasn’t the problem with the talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: They just signed a 34 year old nose tackle to a contract because the nose tackle they drafted in the third round last year can’t play. They signed a cornerback who was cut from the Jaguars to play the slot because the slot cornerback they drafted last year can’t play. They signed an inside linebacker to more money than Eli Manning is making to replace the inside linebacker they drafted in the first round three years ago. They’re probably going to draft a 3-4 DE with the third overall pick because the 3-4 DE they drafted four years ago can’t play, even though they’re also giving that DE $15 mil this year. Maybe Bowles wasn’t the problem with the talent. I know Tom But I was referring to years 1 and 2 when you said "his first 4 years were disastrous" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: I know Tom But I was referring to years 1 and 2 when you said "his first 4 years were disastrous" What was positive about the first two years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: So his first season here was disastrous ? Is this a serious question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Is this a serious question? I’m waiting on this answer as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Jet Nut said: 4 CBs in 4 years is a lot? 3 in the 6th round, one in the 4th? plus giving a 5th for rashard robinson. NONE have worked out. Lets compare then 4 cbs in 4 years with 2 maybe 3 cbs on the field at once. two olineman in 4 years when there are 5 on the field at once. The guy is a large bag of fail in his draft success and what positions he drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Fun fact. Last year was successful. And better fact, has nothing to do with what hes done this offseason. No one other than a small few here are complaining that this offseason wasn't. Maybe since we let him handle this offseason we should let the season play out before deciding that this offseason was "disastrous" and Macc deserves to be fired. Call me crazyMacc should have been fired the moment we drafted Christian Hackenberg.Falling into Darnold doesn’t make him suddenly successful. Far from it.Hell, the very next pick after Darnold was Nathan Shepherd, a 29-year old project DT. Big Macccccc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Macc should have been fired the moment we drafted Christian Hackenberg. Falling into Darnold doesn’t make him suddenly successful. Far from it. Hell, the very next pick after Darnold was Nathan Shepherd, a 29-year old project DT. Big Macccccc He’s not 29! Come on..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 He’s not 29! Come on..... Obvious exaggeration for humorous purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, Beerfish said: plus giving a 5th for rashard robinson. NONE have worked out. Lets compare then 4 cbs in 4 years with 2 maybe 3 cbs on the field at once. two olineman in 4 years when there are 5 on the field at once. The guy is a large bag of fail in his draft success and what positions he drafts. As I said, 4 in 4 years isnt a lot All but one was a 6th and he was a 4th. At which point youre drafting STs and hoping for depth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Macc should have been fired the moment we drafted Christian Hackenberg. Falling into Darnold doesn’t make him suddenly successful. Far from it. Hell, the very next pick after Darnold was Nathan Shepherd, a 29-year old project DT. Big Macccccc No he shouldnt. Lots of GMs whiff on QBs, most after the high first are whiffs. You can keep repeating he fell into Darnold because you dont want to give the guy an ounce of credit but he moved up to 3 to have a shot at the first 3 top QBs. Thats on him. The talk of luck or better yet Heimerdinger being sent to work out the parameters of the trade up is just more to take credit away from Macc. The idea that anyone knows what Shepherd will be today is more nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 No he shouldnt. Lots of GMs whiff on QBs, most after the high first are whiffs. You can keep repeating he fell into Darnold because you dont want to give the guy an ounce of credit but he moved up to 3 to have a shot at the first 3 top QBs. Thats on him. The talk of luck or better yet Heimerdinger being sent to work out the parameters of the trade up is just more to take credit away from Macc. The idea that anyone knows what Shepherd will be today is more nonsense. No one has whiffed on a QB more poorly than Macc whiffed on Hackenberg. Other than a prototypical body, he had zero skills that suggested he’d be a success. He had one of the worst QBase scores of all time.Everyone here knew Hack would suck. That’s telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: No one has whiffed on a QB more poorly than Macc whiffed on Hackenberg. Other than a prototypical body, he had zero skills that suggested he’d be a success. He had one of the worst QBase scores of all time. Everyone here knew Hack would suck. That’s telling. Really? Reid whiffed more than once. Gruden whiffed more than once. Can go on and on. They all do, most QBs, no matter where theyre taken are whiffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: No one has whiffed on a QB more poorly than Macc whiffed on Hackenberg. Other than a prototypical body, he had zero skills that suggested he’d be a success. He had one of the worst QBase scores of all time. Everyone here knew Hack would suck. That’s telling. Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Art Schlister, Blaine Gabbert. Shirley, you can't be serious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Art Schlister, Blaine Gabbert. Shirley, you can't be serious! Yes, I can. All of those guys had superior perceived skillsets to Hackenberg coming out. And all had better QBase scores. And not only did Macc draft Hack in the 2nd, he doubled down on him the following season. To never see the field and even be a total failure in the AAF is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: No one has whiffed on a QB more poorly than Macc whiffed on Hackenberg. Other than a prototypical body, he had zero skills that suggested he’d be a success. He had one of the worst QBase scores of all time. Everyone here knew Hack would suck. That’s telling. Really? So guys like David Carr, Couch, Kizer, Beathard, Lynch, Kessler, Bortles, Geno, Glennon, Tannehill, Locker, Gabbert, etc, etc were what, good picks where all should be fired? Most thought Mahomes would struggle, does that make me feel good about missing that one? Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 hours ago, dbatesman said: Is this a serious question? 2 hours ago, T0mShane said: I’m waiting on this answer as well So 10-6 after the Rex clown show was disastrous ? Ok you guys win .... Trolls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: So 10-6 after the Rex clown show was disastrous ? Ok you guys win .... Trolls Remember when his first big move was trading for Brandon Marshall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 hours ago, dbatesman said: Is this a serious question? Other than blowing a playoff spot the last week of the season against a division rival led by Rex Ryan what was disastrous about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Other than blowing a playoff spot the last week of the season against a division rival led by Rex Ryan what was disastrous about it? In Maccagnan’s defense, he did put together a team that lasted two full years before needing to be blown up and rebuilt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, Smashmouth said: So 10-6 after the Rex clown show was disastrous ? Ok you guys win .... Trolls SMASH PLZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, dbatesman said: In Maccagnan’s defense, he did put together a team that lasted two full years before needing to be blown up and rebuilt the minimal cap hitz on all those terrible signings tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 50 minutes ago, dbatesman said: In Maccagnan’s defense, he did put together a team that lasted two full years before needing to be blown up and rebuilt The first season and the first offseason is not two full years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 36 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: The first season and the first offseason is not two full years. Maybe it just felt that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Maybe it just felt that way He ****ed the team up in 16 months take ownership of your #troll post, dbatestroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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