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Was listening to "Jet Up" podcast and there was a small segment about practice squad player center Jon Toth. The presenter brought up many points as to how Toth might make sense for the Jets. From his potential, current ability level, familiarity with the Jets, young age, and  inexpensive value, it may be the reason why the Jets did not sign Paradis or Morse during free agency. The podcast also mentioned that Toth could be a better option than drafting a center.  I couldn't find much about Toth. If anyone has information about this possible answer to our center position please post. Thanks

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I can't load anything from this $hitty old iPad ... But google has feel good story of him overcoming disc/back surgery to be fighting to achieve his lifelong dream

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Wasn’t this guy a really good prospect? What’s his injury status? Where’s he at on the road to recovery? He went UDFA because of injury concerns. Was tabbed as a 3rd/4th rounder. If you can play, you can play! Definitely an intriguing option. 

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PFF scouting report: Jon Toth, C, Kentucky

BY PFF ANALYSIS TEAM • MAR 30, 2017 

GettyImages-610370848.jpg?w=916&h=720LEXINGTON, KY - SEPTEMBER 17: Jon Toth #72 of the Kentucky Wildcats gets set to snap the ball against the New Mexico State Aggies during the game at Commonwealth Stadium on September 24, 2016 in Lexington, Kentucky. Kentucky defeated New Mexico State 62-42. (Photo by Joe Robbins/Getty Images)

Name: Jon Toth

School: Kentucky

Position fit: Center

Stats to know: Graded better in 2015 than 2016. Allowed a sack, two QB hits and seven QB hurries in 2016. Finished with his lowest pass-blocking grade in 2016.

What he does best:

  • Stout, powerful frame.
  • High ceiling, somewhat raw and unrefined.
  • Shows good blocking demeanor on most blocks (looks the part).
  • Executed Kentucky’s inside zone scheme well.
  • Posted the top run-blocking grade among interior offensive linemen during both Senior Bowl practice and in the game.
  • Committed only two penalties in all of 2016 and only nine over the last three years.

Biggest concern:

  • Will lose on initial contact and gets steered by the defensive tackle in the run game.
  • Gets overextended a bit much and loses balance.
  • Comes to a stop to hit at 2L. Is this coaching or lack of skill?
  • Wasn’t asked to extend himself much within Kentucky’s scheme. Raises questions about versatility at the next level.
  • Grading took a step back in 2016 after two strong seasons in 2014 and 2015.

Bottom line: Toth was not challenged in Kentucky’s scheme, but he executed it well, even with a step back in his grading in 2016. He has the power and frame to be a solid run-blocker, though he may be limited to more of a downhill scheme rather than one that heavily feature outside zone. He has potential to develop into a starter

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The podcast also mentioned that if Gase is going to a power running game that it's one of Toth's strengths and  fits that position well.

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Stefen Wisniewski or Sullivan as well 

Some decent draft prospects

 

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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/jon-toth?id=2557849

OVERVIEW

Toth (pronounced TOETH) is a bit of Renaissance Man, a mechanical engineering major and fluent Spanish-speaker who just happens to have been one of the top centers in college football the past couple of seasons. He redshirted in his first year in Lexington, played as a back-up in the first game of his freshman season, and then started the next 48 games in the pivot over the next four years. Toth was a SEC All-Freshman squad selection in 2013, and capped his career with a first-team all-conference effort in 2016, helping the Wildcats get to their first bowl game since 2010.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS

 Four-year starter in competitive SEC. Good size and bulk. Understands his physical limitations and plays to his strengths. Fits into blocks with good body control and at a leveraged strike position. Unlocks hips at contact on down blocks to pin defender and present a running lane. Generates power from his lower half. Held his own against formidable Alabama defensive front. Utilizes efficient, compact punch. Has good hand strength to snatch and engage. Operates with plus hand placement, and willing to re-set hands to improve positioning when necessary. Able to control shoulder and steer opponent away from the hole. Good arm length for a center. Looks for work in pass protection and has enough anchor to thwart a bull rush.

WEAKNESSES

 Marginal athlete. Plays with heavy feet and below-average lateral quickness. Could struggle with sudden redirects inside to catch blitzers and twisters. Struggles to mirror athletic, interior rushers in pass pro. Labors to recover once beaten. Snap-to-step quickness is very average. Effectiveness wanes beyond line of scrimmage. Has some hip stiffness which causes him to rely on leaning over bending. A little slow in his climb to second level.

DRAFT PROJECTION

 Rounds 6-7

BOTTOM LINE

 Toth is a tough, four-year starter. Will appeal to teams looking for centers who can operate in a power-based rushing scheme. While he's better in a phone booth than on the move, he understands his limitations and does a good job of staying within himself. He's not the best athlete at the position but his size, arm length, strength and consistency should outweigh that on the next level. Toth has the traits and ability to be an eventual starter in the NFL.
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12 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Love when the Jets solve a thorny personnel issue by simply elevating a guy off the practice squad. Definitely a thing that’s possible on this plane of existence

Like expecting a 6th round qb to be a HOFer

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5 minutes ago, Lith said:

Forgot he was on the roster.  Let him compete with Harrison, but still, can't go into the season counting on either of these guys to start.  Maybe one of them steps up and proves they can handle it, but we still need to add an experienced guy to the mix.

But not at 10M guaranteed. Wisniewski at vet minimum or thereabouts.

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It would be a great sports story, if he could win the C job at TC and end up hugging and kissing the Lombardi Trophy with his FQB and mates.

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If he is healthy, he is worth the shot and would compare to another player the Jets would take in RD 3 and below.  

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Sure, let him compete. But sign another FA - Wiesnewski or Brett Jones - or draft a guy in the 3rd round.

We can't go into camp with just Harrison and Toth.

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58 minutes ago, Sperm Edwards said:

Only 25, so he's not too long in the toth. 

Reported 

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1 hour ago, Copernicus said:

The presenter brought up many points as to how Toth might make sense for the Jets.

Confusing, what did the Jets do?

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16 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Confusing, what did the Jets do?

Nothing per say. I should have said host of the podcast. Hey was vey enthusiastic about Toth as a major possibility as starting center. 

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1 hour ago, Beerfish said:

Too bad the usc dude flew the coup last year.

If the dude was smart he would have said to himself  "... this OL sucks! I could play on 1 leg and beat out all these JAG's with my boy Sammy." Instead he leaves to sit on the Broncos bench  for an extra $50k and will never see the field.

Dude deserves what he gets for abandoning Sammy

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I liked Toth coming out of Kentucky. He played decent against Bama. I was surprised when he didn't get drafted. Lost track of him after that.

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15 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

If the dude was smart he would have said to himself  "... this OL sucks! I could play on 1 leg and beat out all these JAG's with my boy Sammy." Instead he leaves to sit on the Broncos bench  for an extra $50k and will never see the field.

Dude deserves what he gets for abandoning Sammy

As of right now Nico Falah IS the Broncos starting center.

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At this point the logical move for the Jets would be to sign a veteran, draft a kid in rd 3, and let both of them compete with Harrison and Toth for the job. 

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Which would be better? Starting center for the New York Jets with the college quarterback you spent three years snapping the ball to or Joe Flacco? I think the answer is clear… Niko screwed the pooch.

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Toth is an interesting fit as his scouting report is pretty clear that he would be better suited for an inside zone/power scheme instead of outside zone, and we will be running inside zone/power now.  Every scouting report and his combine performance mentions his lack of athleticism.  

It also appears he had surgery on his back which affected his draft status.

I happen to think that Garret Bradbury is a very elite prospect and if there is a way for us to trade down and get him along with an edge rusher, it would be an ideal fit next to Osmele and allow the offense to do a ton of different things as he is such an incredible athlete for a center.  Hes also still learning the position after originally being a tight end.

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4 minutes ago, WayneChrebet80 said:

At this point the logical move for the Jets would be to sign a veteran, draft a kid in rd 3, and let both of them compete with Harrison and Toth for the job. 

They could sign Josh Sitton who has experience playing center, knows Gase's offense (would help Darnold), shouldn't cost a lot and if he does lose the center battle, he would be good as a backup guard.

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IMO, Gase likes Harrison.  Jets didn't even offer Paradis, or Morse.  Harrison will more then likely be the opening day starter.  I forgot about Toth.  Could very well be competition, or a back up plan

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