jetscrazey Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 3rd round pick this time. The failure rate is uncanny... https://twitter.com/TheSpringLeague/status/1107372468279357442 Quote Former @nyjets LB Lorenzo Mauldin IV (@LozoIV) has committed to #TheSpringLeague 2019 in Austin! The @UofLFootball alum was drafted in the third round of the 2015 #NFLDraft by the Jets and tallied 33 tackles, 6.5 sacks, a pick and, a fumble recovery over 3 seasons in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 He goes along with Devin Smith in the (can't blame GM for injuries) category. Showed promise his rookie season but he fell apart. Need to do better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcoops Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 It's a shame that Mauldin never worked out. His back story, and his determination to succeed were inspiring. He was overdrafted because of his character and work ethic - the talent level was never quite high enough for the NFL. The injuries didn't help either, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: He goes along with Devin Smith in the (can't blame GM for injuries) category. Showed promise his rookie season but he fell apart. Need to do better injuries had nothing to do with either player busting. File this in the lame excuse for crap drafting folder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The specific area of crap for Maccagnan is rounds 2-5. Devin Smith-injuries Lorenzo Mauldin- injuries to a lesser extent Bryce Petty- backup QB and got slammed out of existence Jarvis Harrison- busted and cut Christian Hackenberg- worst decision of Macc's regime Juston Burris- busted and cut Stewart & Hansen- IMO given up on too early and cut Dylan Donahue- arrested and cut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 tryung to bullrush guys 70 lbs heavier than you will often result in failure--and injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Mauldin was drafted when we were rebuilding, so it doesnt count as a bad pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, jetscrazey said: 3rd round pick this time. The failure rate is uncanny... https://twitter.com/TheSpringLeague/status/1107372468279357442 I was going through all the minor league football rosters and it was crazy to see only former Jets draft picks on teams. Every other NFL team hits on all their draft picks except the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embrace the Suck Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Beerfish said: injuries had nothing to do with either player busting. File this in the lame excuse for crap drafting folder. Devin Smith was basically never healthy, so yeah, maybe a little. Not to say it was a good pick, as I don't like small wrs to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: The specific area of crap for Maccagnan is rounds 2-5. Devin Smith-injuries Lorenzo Mauldin- injuries to a lesser extent Bryce Petty- backup QB and got slammed out of existence Jarvis Harrison- busted and cut Christian Hackenberg- worst decision of Macc's regime Juston Burris- busted and cut Stewart & Hansen- IMO given up on too early and cut Dylan Donahue- arrested and cut and there were people would balked at the idea of a 3 & 5 for AB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Mauldin was drafted when we were rebuilding, so it doesnt count as a bad pick How do you know which outside linebackers to draft until you have your quarterback in place smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, Barry McCockinner said: and there were people would balked at the idea of a 3 & 5 for AB. It's just weird that Macc seems to do well in Round 1 and then rounds 6 & 7. That seems a weird combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, UnitedWhofans said: It's just weird that Macc seems to do well in Round 1 and then rounds 6 & 7. That seems a weird combination. (He doesn’t really do well in round one either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: I was going through all the minor league football rosters and it was crazy to see only former Jets draft picks on teams. Every other NFL team hits on all their draft picks except the Jets. It is a quantifiable truth that no GM in the NFL has failed on his draft picks more than Mike Maccagnan. He has drafted a far higher % of players that are no longer in the league than any GM out there. Its not even close. And that statistic can't be explained by Todd Bowles, since those players failed at other stops too. The league has determined them to be inferior players. Saying "every GM misses" is an incredibly tired excuse to try to prop Macc up. He's the worst GM in the NFL when it comes to drafting players, and the numbers back that statement up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Beerfish said: injuries had nothing to do with either player busting. File this in the lame excuse for crap drafting folder. So injury had nothing to do with Smith busting? Yeah, must have been the handful of games he was healthy that did it. There's so much to blame Macc for you don't need to make shlt up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, T0mShane said: (He doesn’t really do well in round one either) Well you hate Jamal Adams so I would expect you to say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: It's just weird that Macc seems to do well in Round 1 and then rounds 6 & 7. That seems a weird combination. Because the team has been so bad that they've usually been top 6 picks, where really good players can just fall into your lap. There was literally no skill in picking Jamal Adams and Sam Darnold. ( I will however give Macc credit for the trade up to #3, but it's total luck that he got Darnold still.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Mauldin was drafted when we were rebuilding, so it doesnt count as a bad pick No, the rebuild had not started yet. Unless all those picks hit, then it was the start of the rebuild. But since they didnt, it's almost like it never actually happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 minute ago, jetscrazey said: Because the team has been so bad that they've usually been top 6 picks, where really good players can just fall into your lap. There was literally no skill in picking Jamal Adams and Sam Darnold. ( I will however give Macc credit for the trade up to #3, but it's total luck that he got Darnold still.) The only reason I don't think that's luck is because I think he had an inkling that the Giants would take Barkley. I mean it was being reported everywhere how much Gettleman and crew were in love with Barkley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: It is a quantifiable truth that no GM in the NFL has failed on his draft picks more than Mike Maccagnan. He has drafted a far higher % of players that are no longer in the league than any GM out there. Its not even close. And that statistic can't be explained by Todd Bowles, since those players failed at other stops too. The league has determined them to be inferior players. Saying "every GM misses" is an incredibly tired excuse to try to prop Macc up. He's the worst GM in the NFL when it comes to drafting players, and the numbers back that statement up. Please quantify it for me. Would love to see the statistical breakdown of all his draft picks vs. EVERY other GMs because I know a few that have missed more on 1st round picks which is far more damaging to a franchise then missing on later round picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Wait A young bubble player is in a developmental league? No way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Please quantify it for me. Would love to see the statistical breakdown of all his draft picks vs. EVERY other GMs because I know a few that have missed more on 1st round picks which is far more damaging to a franchise then missing on later round picks. https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/12/19/18148590/mike-maccagnan-doesnt-have-a-very-strong-case-to-keep-his-job-as-jets-general-manager Jason_OTCVerified account @Jason_OTC Im assuming some of that was people wanting to see where Maccagnan of the Jets fits in so here you go. Since 2015 the Jets rank last in drafted players still in the league and tied for 22nd with players still on their own team. ✔ @Jason_OTC Of the #Jets roster over half of the players under contract are 27 or older. Only 6 players on the roster pre-dated Mac and he signed off on contracts for each of those 6 (though i think you can make a case Winters was done before that). Not sure how Bowles only one getting blame Quote This year the Jets had the 19th youngest roster the league. So not only has the general manager built a poor roster. The Jets are slightly older than the average NFL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: The specific area of crap for Maccagnan is rounds 2-5. Devin Smith-injuries Lorenzo Mauldin- injuries to a lesser extent Bryce Petty- backup QB and got slammed out of existence Jarvis Harrison- busted and cut Christian Hackenberg- worst decision of Macc's regime Juston Burris- busted and cut Stewart & Hansen- IMO given up on too early and cut Dylan Donahue- arrested and cut All of those situations really hurt this roster and lead to where we are today. Look at the positions those guys played in summary.... WR, WR, WR Edge/OLB, Edge/OLB OG CB QB, QB Take a look at that list and then think about what problems Macc has been forced to solve through trading and FA because of all those busts.....We signed a $30M WR3 and still have no WR1, we still have no outside pass rush and will likely have to use the #3 overall pick to get one, we just traded for a $10M OG, we're struggling to find a CB2, and we traded a boatload of picks and had to go "All In" in the 2018 draft to try to solve the QB problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: It is a quantifiable truth that no GM in the NFL has failed on his draft picks more than Mike Maccagnan. He has drafted a far higher % of players that are no longer in the league than any GM out there. Its not even close Is there an actual list you go off of our is this an opinion? Seems right but is it actually quantifiable? EDIT: Saw the link. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 minute ago, jetstream23 said: Take a look at that list and then think about what problems Macc has been forced to solve through trading and FA because of all those busts.....We signed a $30M WR3 and still have no WR1, we still have no outside pass rush and will likely have to use the #3 overall pick to get one, we just traded for a $10M OG, we're struggling to find a CB2, and we traded a boatload of picks and had to go "All In" in the 2018 draft to try to solve the QB problem. I think Darryl Roberts is CB2. Other than that, all of your problems are valid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Larz said: Wait A young bubble player is in a developmental league? No way! He's 26 and was a 3rd round pick. He's no longer young, and based on his draft slot, he shouldn't be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/12/19/18148590/mike-maccagnan-doesnt-have-a-very-strong-case-to-keep-his-job-as-jets-general-manager Jason_OTCVerified account @Jason_OTC Im assuming some of that was people wanting to see where Maccagnan of the Jets fits in so here you go. Since 2015 the Jets rank last in drafted players still in the league and tied for 22nd with players still on their own team. ✔ @Jason_OTC Of the #Jets roster over half of the players under contract are 27 or older. Only 6 players on the roster pre-dated Mac and he signed off on contracts for each of those 6 (though i think you can make a case Winters was done before that). Not sure how Bowles only one getting blame Team on the rise tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Please quantify it for me. Would love to see the statistical breakdown of all his draft picks vs. EVERY other GMs because I know a few that have missed more on 1st round picks which is far more damaging to a franchise then missing on later round picks. Pssst. Macc whiffed on half of his 1st rounders too. And if it weren't for the Giants being stupid, our QB would be Josh Allen right now. Then we'd REALLY be wishing we hadn't taken Jamal Adams over Mahomes/Watson. Sure, you'll rip me for talking about hypothetical scenarios that didn't play out. But luck is not a sustainable strategy for a franchise. We got extremely lucky by getting Sam Darnold. Bad luck was not an excuse for the overwhelming majority of Macc's awful draft selections. Just plain old bad GMing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I don't even know the point of arguing this. He's back as the GM and that's it. Hope for the best and expect nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Pssst. Macc whiffed on half of his 1st rounders too. Oh you hate Jamal Adams too. Still dont get why people hate a guy who seems to revel being here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 But then again none of those bad picks by Macc matter because we weren't rebuilding yet, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/12/19/18148590/mike-maccagnan-doesnt-have-a-very-strong-case-to-keep-his-job-as-jets-general-manager Jason_OTCVerified account @Jason_OTC Im assuming some of that was people wanting to see where Maccagnan of the Jets fits in so here you go. Since 2015 the Jets rank last in drafted players still in the league and tied for 22nd with players still on their own team. ✔ @Jason_OTC Of the #Jets roster over half of the players under contract are 27 or older. Only 6 players on the roster pre-dated Mac and he signed off on contracts for each of those 6 (though i think you can make a case Winters was done before that). Not sure how Bowles only one getting blame Dude, that doesn't quantify all their draft picks. You could have the most players still in the league and none of them very good. You could have the least amount of players in the league but those that are in the league are elite. For example, I rather have Darnold/Adams than 7 jags that lingered in the league for 5 years playing special teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Another NY Jet really winds up in the minor leagues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Please quantify it for me. Would love to see the statistical breakdown of all his draft picks vs. EVERY other GMs because I know a few that have missed more on 1st round picks which is far more damaging to a franchise then missing on later round picks. 20 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: https://www.ganggreennation.com/2018/12/19/18148590/mike-maccagnan-doesnt-have-a-very-strong-case-to-keep-his-job-as-jets-general-manager Jason_OTCVerified account @Jason_OTC Im assuming some of that was people wanting to see where Maccagnan of the Jets fits in so here you go. Since 2015 the Jets rank last in drafted players still in the league and tied for 22nd with players still on their own team. ✔ @Jason_OTC Of the #Jets roster over half of the players under contract are 27 or older. Only 6 players on the roster pre-dated Mac and he signed off on contracts for each of those 6 (though i think you can make a case Winters was done before that). Not sure how Bowles only one getting blame Ouch!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said: I don't even know the point of arguing this. Good. Go away and leave us alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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