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2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Gase is here to make sure Darnold doesn't crack. That's it. If he's here for three years and gets Darnold to the next coach without him being an irreparable washout at Age 24, Gase will have exceeded expectations.

I thought gase was here to win? I see your point but if you go through a coach change for the benifit of the QB and the fans (face it bowles safety could have been endangered with another post game conference).

This staff, gm and owner are on the clock to put a winner on the field I think the fans turn early f they come out and lose badly and often in the first yr. Esp with the other coaches they might have hired 

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2 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

He won with Peyton Manning.  He lost with Ryan Tannehill.

The scenario that plays out where I believe Gase was a good hire is that he wins football games with the Jets.

he wasn't the head coach and you basically said he won with a hall of fame qb and lost with an average to below average qb. most coaches in the nfl will win with a HOFer. Sorry I would want a coach that won with a n average to below average qb if that is your point, that would prove he could coach and not ride a hall of famer

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On 3/25/2019 at 1:00 PM, Philc1 said:

Gase rode said JAG Qb to the playoffs 

he was the head coach because he had a jag in Miami and did crap with him. 

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On 3/26/2019 at 5:40 AM, TokyoJetsFan said:

Rex Ryan?

no just making a point if you have  hofer at qb it is easy to win a majority of the time. it when you dont have a hofer at qb when coaching and game planning come into play to turn the jAG into a game manager so he doesn't loose the game. with a great qb that can cover and make plays for the coach his job becomes easier.

All this Gase talk about how good he was with Manning I take with a grain of salt because he had Jay cutler and did meh same with tannehill. win consistantly with one of those guys and then I would start to listen to about how great he is.

Look hopefully we found our Qb and this is a mute point but they have to com out and start winning and shortly because most of the fans have had enough bs and when you have a chance to get a superbowl winning coach and pass him for a coach that is below 500 there is very little room for error

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On 3/25/2019 at 1:00 PM, Philc1 said:

Gase rode said JAG Qb to the playoffs 

as ahead coach when?  it was with the fins and they won ten games with a weaker schedule then the Jets and then what happened? tannehill gets injuried and we know tannehill is jag why couldn't he step up the game to follow up that feat. That yr we all felt good about bowles too winning 10 games and what happened?

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1 hour ago, Adoni Beast said:

Ross loved Gase. Said he was the “next Belichick.” Not sayingn I agree with that, but it notes his admiration for him. As you said, Ross wanted a complete tank/rebuild. Gase didn’t, and forced his way out. Simple.

I am not sure that is entirely true, their relationship soured because Gase was screaming at the owner. It might have started off as a love afair but went south

https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article223850050.html

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3 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

Yeah thats the start of Gase getting himself out.

or the guy just screamed at his boss and was fired. If you want out you dont do it that way. There is no defending that. What happens here when something goes south. If this is about Sam as it should be why the f would you want someone like that around him? There is no defense for that in any professional enviromnet

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1 hour ago, Ghost420 said:

Is this English? 

yes it is is that supposed to be funny?

if you have nothing to say then stfu

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18 minutes ago, Apache 51 said:

Instant gratification the modern idiotic fan way.

no it is not, if this coach flames out a coach with a loosing record there is no defense for this hire. If they come out and loose 10 straight are the fans going to stand for it? They had a chance to get a superbowl winning coach and went with another coach with a loosing record. Any good will for all the loosing  has been used up. McCarthy's record is 125-77-2  and yu can say he also had great qbs but he has proven he has worked with great qbs over a period of time versus 3 yrs as a head coach.

I think it is moronic to defend the coach as some type of offensive genius head coach when his resume is one of loses.  Look what gase did when he had Manning as a coordinator and then look at what he did  as a head coach with a weaker schedule then ours he went to the playoffs once and then posted a total record of what 23 and 26. Better then Bowles but anyone with a pulse was better the Bowles.

This is not about instant gratification this about not tolerating more crap from a team that has delivered a crappy product  for 6 straight yrs now. They got Sam which is a building block and this should be about him.

What kills me about this board and other is not the disagreements is is the comments like yours and other if anyone has a different thought or dares to express you see crap like the above without and consideration for the person posting it.

You actually added nothing to this conversation you did not progress on bit. I have been a fans sine 72 so IDK about the modern way for instant gratification, maybe if people here stopped with vague insults and respected another persons opinion just maybe people could understand and respect someone else's opinion

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20 hours ago, Apache 51 said:

It takes time for an OL to gel, a team to build chemistry. The O, and a D, to learn the new program etc. etc. etc. Some guys are in it to win, some guys are in it for the money it's just a job to some. You need lil luck and good health and other teams to be on the downtick. IMG_0471.thumb.JPG.215307cf6e71f5ea05f65a5948752088.JPG

Good Luck to you sir.

 

good luck to you but the issue with points are still valid, any time they could have had to build has been used by hiring a coach with a loosing record, how long are you going to give them? it is a 16 game season you can not afford to go 06 and expect to do anything, how much of a grace period do you give this team. Most fans are fed up with the hire and the loosing combine those two and it will be ugly quickly

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On 3/29/2019 at 5:52 PM, Apache 51 said:

It starts at the top, so the Jets have always been up against it but even with a new owner it still takes time except for the occasional one hit wonder ie. Bucs, St. Louis, Saints, Indy Colts.

still did not answer the question how many games do you give them or do you give them yrs?

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On 3/28/2019 at 3:04 PM, jetstream23 said:

The owner wanted to rebuild and tank.  Gase wanted to spend and get some veteran leadership.  That was the difference and it's the reason why Gase was the very last HC terminated.  There are some teams that anxiously await the end of the season and Black Monday (like the Jets knowing in November that Bowles was done)....and there are other teams where "creative differences" and divergent approaches to team-building force a breakup.  The latter is the situation with Gase.

Let's also remember that the Jets apparently did not offer a job to Kingsbury....or McCarthy or Rhule.  They made a conscious decision to hire Gase by all accounts.  Let's hope that Gase getting out of Miami turns into the equivalent of Belichick getting out of Cleveland.

I hope so but the odds are long against it. The owner wanted to tank...that's news to me and to the fins as well. You are making gase in this case seem like an evil genius instead of what he comes across as some kind of  a D%^K

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-dolphins-combine-20190227-story.html

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3 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Wow that’s a lot of excuses for Gase making the playoffs with a totally mediocre qb

1x come on man he has a loosing record as a head coach and we should be happy he is our head coach.......everything else in defending him is an excuse. if he was sooo good he would not have had a loosing record

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6 hours ago, genot said:

B

BB had a losing record in Cleveland. Is he a good coach

how many bb are there the odds are against this guy. and it also depends on where you come down on the alleged cheating, and if you think the commish also helped cover up. 1 last point on that he also had a loosing record till Mo Lewis smacked Bledsoe and forced him to play Brady

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13 hours ago, Philc1 said:

Gase is 3 games under .500 with three crappy quarterbacks 

so we hired a loosing coach (this is my point people are defending a guy that has limited experience at best and has a loosing record...it is easy to win when you have a good qb, hopefully we found him) when you had a chance at a coach with a super bowl and a winning record, time will tell if he succeeds but my point is still how long do you give them to start winning? if they come out and play bad all the good will they would have had with a different coach is used already. The fans will turn quickly esp if gase acts like he did in Miami the reporters will turn fast.

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