82nd Airborne Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 We need a back-up QB which has been underestimated (Sam was out for almost a month). Trade 6th and Lee and get it done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, jetspenguin said: I think thats easy to see why....NY is dirty, high taxes, cranky people with bad attitudes......but it's still better than living in Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, playtowinthegame said: Due to the fact Rosen already knows they're not drafting Murray, he is not fazed at all during lying season. The Cardinals want a chart-busting trade offer for Kyler Murray. Steve Keim controls the draft, and he's trying to drive up Murray's value. It's that simple. You don't drive down Rosen's value and then trade him. Makes zero sense. Don't believe the Cardinals drafting Murray hype. If they aren't planning to trade Rosen I hope they've spoken to him and he's cool with this. Because frankly, it's a pretty humiliating thing to do to a young QB, especially with it dragging out over the course of months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, bitonti said: Josh Rosen could have gone 1 overall last year. He's got a 5-star pedigree, can make all the throws and the best fundamentals on any pro-style QB since Andrew Luck what happened? He opened his mouth and people realized he's the worst human to be drafted in rd 1 to play the QB position since Jay Cutler. Not the worst athlete or the worst thrower. And he's still not as awful as Geno SMith. But Rosen has to be the worst quality 1st rounder in terms of character in the modern era. He's just awful. who gets traded after 1 year? a guy who sucks so bad he eats chicken wings in a portable jacuzzi in his dorm room, that's who. They aren't going to get a first rounder for him. Seems harsh but obviously evaluating someone's personality is highly subjective and I've never met the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 You can smell draft picks? Who do you think you are, Dolph Lundgren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, bitonti said: Josh Rosen could have gone 1 overall last year. He's got a 5-star pedigree, can make all the throws and the best fundamentals on any pro-style QB since Andrew Luck what happened? He opened his mouth and people realized he's the worst human to be drafted in rd 1 to play the QB position since Jay Cutler. Not the worst athlete or the worst thrower. And he's still not as awful as Geno SMith. But Rosen has to be the worst quality 1st rounder in terms of character in the modern era. He's just awful. who gets traded after 1 year? a guy who sucks so bad he eats chicken wings in a portable jacuzzi in his dorm room, that's who. They aren't going to get a first rounder for him. Ouch, dang dude. The worst human? Why? Because he's opinionated? Has he done anything bad to people? The articles I read seemed like he was a good dude, just intelligent and courageous enough to take a stance on some social issues that might not jive with everyone one in the world, go figure. Seems pretty harsh for someone you've never met. Especially considering, I'm pretty sure Vince Young, Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, and Jameis Winston were drafted after Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said: Seems harsh but obviously evaluating someone's personality is highly subjective and I've never met the guy. I've also never met him but how else to explain his draft stock fall to 10 (and now a team wanting to trade him after 1 year)? 8 minutes ago, JiF said: Ouch, dang dude. The worst human? Why? Because he's opinionated? Has he done anything bad to people? The articles I read seemed like he was a good dude, just intelligent and courageous enough to take a stance on some social issues that might not jive with everyone one in the world, go figure. Seems pretty harsh for someone you've never met. Especially considering, I'm pretty sure Vince Young, Jamarcus Russell, Johnny Manziel, and Jameis Winston were drafted after Cutler. to be clear human as defined as locker room leadership Mike Vick might be the worst human characterwise but the guys in the locker room respected him on game day to get it done VY was in the same class at Cutler and went top 5. Rosen doesn't command respect and it's not just the social issues. He has terrible sulky body language. He didn't grow up like these guys, his behavior never lets them forget it and also has like the world's most punchable face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, bitonti said: I've also never met him but how else to explain his draft stock fall to 10 (and now a team wanting to trade him after 1 year)? to be clear human as defined as locker room leadership Mike Vick might be the worst human characterwise but the guys in the locker room respected him on game day to get it done VY was in the same class at Cutler and went top 5. Rosen doesn't command respect and it's not just the social issues. He has terrible sulky body language. He didn't grow up like these guys, his behavior never lets them forget it and also has like the world's most punchable face. Human to locker room leader is a huge leap. lmfao The bold...pretty true, but Tom Brady tops my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 https://twitter.com/hashtag/rosenface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 19 hours ago, Augustiniak said: I think the jets D will vastly improve with either Bosa or allen, i think they’re both going to be great. And that's why we're gonna draft Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 32 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: You can smell draft picks? Who do you think you are, Dolph Lundgren? I’m not sure many people will get this reference but this is great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, bitonti said: https://twitter.com/hashtag/rosenface What a horrible human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 19 hours ago, HelenOfTroy said: Cards, they have a long history of doing stupid things. I feel sorry for their fans, they love their team, continually frustrated with ownership. just like us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, JiF said: Human to locker room leader is a huge leap. lmfao The bold...pretty true, but Tom Brady tops my list. Baker Mayfield is rising the ranks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 35 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: You can smell draft picks? Who do you think you are, Dolph Lundgren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: What a horrible human being. errr...locker room leader... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: Baker Mayfield is rising the ranks too. 1a. Tom Brady 1b. Baker Mayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 2 hours ago, bitonti said: Josh Rosen could have gone 1 overall last year. He's got a 5-star pedigree, can make all the throws and the best fundamentals on any pro-style QB since Andrew Luck what happened? He opened his mouth and people realized he's the worst human to be drafted in rd 1 to play the QB position since Jay Cutler. Not the worst athlete or the worst thrower. And he's still not as awful as Geno SMith. But Rosen has to be the worst quality 1st rounder in terms of character in the modern era. He's just awful. who gets traded after 1 year? a guy who sucks so bad he eats chicken wings in a portable jacuzzi in his dorm room, that's who. They aren't going to get a first rounder for him. You’re right they’re not getting a 1st Rounder for him. Yes, he can make all the throws, in shorts on a practice field, has a real good arm too. Take it from someone who saw ALL his games last year, and I acknowledge he had a terrible Oline, and a terrible HC (hey how come the Cards got to fire their guy after only 1 year and the Jets were forced to endure 4 with Bowles and pay him another 2?), but I don’t care if he even gets to play with an average to good line in front of him, Rosen makes Ken O’Brien look like Michael Vick back there, his pocket presence and athletic ability to avoid any kind of pressure is horrific. AZ should try to cut their losses quickly. Don’t be surprised if a trade goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 https://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2019/futures-ed-oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenOfTroy Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said: just like us Not to me...that’s what counts for little, ole me. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF said: You’re right they’re not getting a 1st Rounder for him. Yes, he can make all the throws, in shorts on a practice field, has a real good arm too. Take it from someone who saw ALL his games last year, and I acknowledge he had a terrible Oline, and a terrible HC (hey how come the Cards got to fire their guy after only 1 year and the Jets were forced to endure 4 with Bowles and pay him another 2?), but I don’t care if he even gets to play with an average to good line in front of him, Rosen makes Ken O’Brien look like Michael Vick back there, his pocket presence and athletic ability to avoid any kind of pressure is horrific. AZ should try to cut their losses quickly. Don’t be surprised if a trade goes down. Rosen was sacked 50% more than Darnold, but I was surprised to see that he was actually more successful running the ball than Sam (same amount of yards on just about half the carries). This whole situation has me fascinated. How a 5'10" (on his tallest day) QB, with one year of starting experience in a college conference known for not fielding defenses is projected to go #1 overall in the NFL draft is amazing to me in and of itself. The fact that the team expected to draft him traded up last year in the first round last year to draft a QB compounds the fascination. If this whole thing goes down, it's gonna be very interesting to me to see what they get for Rosen in a trade. I think it would be a first rounder. I think there are enough teams who should be in the bidding that the price would be substantial. We'll see. It's just incredible to me that Kingsbury might've not been hired to get the most out of Rosen, but to replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: https://www.footballoutsiders.com/futures/2019/futures-ed-oliver Fantastic read. Thanks for posting. I've had him as my #3 since go street, size and production be damned. He's the closest thing to Donald clone in this draft. Not that you should be Donald hunting but I think the comparison holds some weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptable Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, slats said: Rosen was sacked 50% more than Darnold, but I was surprised to see that he was actually more successful running the ball than Sam (same amount of yards on just about half the carries). This whole situation has me fascinated. How a 5'10" (on his tallest day) QB, with one year of starting experience in a college conference known for not fielding defenses is projected to go #1 overall in the NFL draft is amazing to me in and of itself. The fact that the team expected to draft him traded up last year in the first round last year to draft a QB compounds the fascination. If this whole thing goes down, it's gonna be very interesting to me to see what they get for Rosen in a trade. I think it would be a first rounder. I think there are enough teams who should be in the bidding that the price would be substantial. We'll see. It's just incredible to me that Kingsbury might've not been hired to get the most out of Rosen, but to replace him. I am not sure that this wasn't the case... I think that KK took the job with the reality of working around Rosen... But when Murray backed out of the A's and declared I think KK basically went to the FO and said look here's the deal... This guy is a super star in the making and I can game plan around him to make him look like Mahomes... and I believe the FO looked at it and said why not... IMO, I think Murray declaring changed the direction that ARZ was going in.... I believe that they also still believe in Rosen, but like the way that Murray will bring press and attention to the franchise like that of a Michael Vick... People came to watch Vick to see what he could do not because they loved ATL.... Same here. Again this is my opinion but Murray is a special talent that ARZ basically feels they can't pass up on... I also believe that they still will end up getting a late 1st - early 2nd for Rosen... Here is a Dark Horse... Pats... Pats give up #32 for Rosen... They can groom Rosen behind Brady... Rosen won't be able to complain because he is basically sitting behind the best ever and in a year or 2 they have a Brett Favre/ Aaron Rodgers situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, JiF said: errr...locker room leader... the laughable thing is the dude still has fans everyone else is wrong, Josh Rosen is right? is that what his fans believe Josh Rosen sucks. He sucks so bad the team that took him last year at 10 wants to trade him in year 2 He sucked last year when people thought he should be in play at 3 (!) and he sucks worse now. No matter how many times I lay that money down at the window, it's going to come due he doesn't inspire the people around him as a QB robot he's great. as a human person he's awful. spending an hour with him must be like hanging out in Satan's waiting room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, slats said: Rosen was sacked 50% more than Darnold, but I was surprised to see that he was actually more successful running the ball than Sam (same amount of yards on just about half the carries). This whole situation has me fascinated. How a 5'10" (on his tallest day) QB, with one year of starting experience in a college conference known for not fielding defenses is projected to go #1 overall in the NFL draft is amazing to me in and of itself. The fact that the team expected to draft him traded up last year in the first round last year to draft a QB compounds the fascination. If this whole thing goes down, it's gonna be very interesting to me to see what they get for Rosen in a trade. I think it would be a first rounder. I think there are enough teams who should be in the bidding that the price would be substantial. We'll see. It's just incredible to me that Kingsbury might've not been hired to get the most out of Rosen, but to replace him. Great points. And it is a fascinating situation. Also, I wasn’t aware of the yardage differential between Rosen and Darnold. But let me tell you, again, only because I watched all of Rosen’s games last year, you put both Rosen and Darnold simultaneously in the SAME exact play, with pressure coming, Darnold will escape and Rosen will get crushed, and another thing that was “fascinating” and actually really surprised me, Rosen was not that accurate although maybe it was just him in his first year trying to adjust to the speed of the game at the highest level, but again...really surprised me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 Interesting thing to me is that Ernie Accorsi apparently acted as a consultant and was instrumental in the Kinsbury hiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 12 minutes ago, bitonti said: the laughable thing is the dude still has fans everyone else is wrong, Josh Rosen is right? is that what his fans believe Josh Rosen sucks. He sucks so bad the team that took him last year at 10 wants to trade him in year 2 He sucked last year when people thought he should be in play at 3 (!) and he sucks worse now. No matter how many times I lay that money down at the window, it's going to come due he doesn't inspire the people around him as a QB robot he's great. as a human person he's awful. spending an hour with him must be like hanging out in Satan's waiting room. What did Josh Rosen do to you? How did he hurt you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said: What did Josh Rosen do to you? what did he ever do for anyone not named Josh rosen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, bitonti said: what did he ever do for anyone not named Josh rosen? Not sure, but you've now called him a horrible human being twice, so it sounded like it was personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 24 minutes ago, bitonti said: the laughable thing is the dude still has fans everyone else is wrong, Josh Rosen is right? is that what his fans believe Josh Rosen sucks. He sucks so bad the team that took him last year at 10 wants to trade him in year 2 He sucked last year when people thought he should be in play at 3 (!) and he sucks worse now. No matter how many times I lay that money down at the window, it's going to come due he doesn't inspire the people around him as a QB robot he's great. as a human person he's awful. spending an hour with him must be like hanging out in Satan's waiting room. You just got done saying he's the cleanest prospect fundamentally since Luck. lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 26 minutes ago, bitonti said: spending an hour with him must be like hanging out in Satan's waiting room. Satan's waiting room isn't that bad. Weird magazines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Creepy Lurker said: As long as we don't cover up that body with a lab coat bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 25, 2019 Author Share Posted March 25, 2019 The smell....is getting stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 On 3/20/2019 at 1:17 PM, slats said: Rosen was sacked 50% more than Darnold, but I was surprised to see that he was actually more successful running the ball than Sam (same amount of yards on just about half the carries). This whole situation has me fascinated. How a 5'10" (on his tallest day) QB, with one year of starting experience in a college conference known for not fielding defenses is projected to go #1 overall in the NFL draft is amazing to me in and of itself. The fact that the team expected to draft him traded up last year in the first round last year to draft a QB compounds the fascination. If this whole thing goes down, it's gonna be very interesting to me to see what they get for Rosen in a trade. I think it would be a first rounder. I think there are enough teams who should be in the bidding that the price would be substantial. We'll see. It's just incredible to me that Kingsbury might've not been hired to get the most out of Rosen, but to replace him. Cardinals had the second worst OL in the NFL bills were only team that was worse Cue the silly PFF garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: The smell....is getting stronger. Ray Charles can see the cardinals want Murray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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