cant wait Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, choon328 said: Last year the Jets paid a 40% premium to move up to 3. So here's what I want from the Redskins and Giants in a trade. Jets #3 Pick - 2200 40% premium - 880 Total - 3080 Redskins #15 - 1050 #46 - 440 #76 - 210 #96 - 116 2020 1st - 430 (Worth 1 rd less) 2021 1st - 430 (Worth 1rd less) Total - 2776 pts Giants #6 - 1700 #17 - 950 #37 - 430-530 OR 2020 1st round pick Total - 3080-3180 I would rather take the Redskins deal bc it would give us 6 picks in the first 2 days which could really help this team a lot as well. Plus getting the additional first round picks in 2020, 2021 would also help a lot. It frees then up to either use those picks as trade capital or for an impact player in the draft. I’d take the redskins deal but demand they include kerrigan too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 10 hours ago, jetstream23 said: I don't know if I'd want to go that far down (15) with the Redskins. If I'm the Jets I might require them to make an earlier move up towards the 9th or 10th pick before I'd consider dropping down. I'm with you but maybe if the Raiders and NYG feel the Skins will leap to 3rd they'll make the move to #3 1st. Like we did last year. I would NOT want to drop down to #15 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team archer Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, choon328 said: Last year the Jets paid a 40% premium to move up to 3. So here's what I want from the Redskins and Giants in a trade. Jets #3 Pick - 2200 40% premium - 880 Total - 3080 Redskins #15 - 1050 #46 - 440 #76 - 210 #96 - 116 2020 1st - 430 (Worth 1 rd less) 2021 1st - 430 (Worth 1rd less) Total - 2776 pts Giants #6 - 1700 #17 - 950 #37 - 430-530 OR 2020 1st round pick Total - 3080-3180 I would rather take the Redskins deal bc it would give us 6 picks in the first 2 days which could really help this team a lot immediately. You could also package a couple of 3rds to move back into the 2nd round. It would give them a lot of flexibility in the draft. Plus getting the additional first round picks in 2020, 2021 would also help a lot. That's potentially 2 Top 10-15 picks in those years. It frees them up to either use those picks as trade capital or for an impact player in the draft. Man all this trade down talk only gets my hopes up. I hope we trade down but im not putting my money on it. I just know were gonna sit at 3 and pick a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjets1969 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I trade to back 15 snap up Garret Bradbury and fix the center problem then fleece the Redskins Jets get back the 2nd round next years 1 and 2nd rounder plus a 4th then a second rounder the following year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, nyjets1969 said: I trade to back 15 snap up Garret Bradbury and fix the center problem then fleece the Redskins Jets get back the 2nd round next years 1 and 2nd rounder plus a 4th then a second rounder the following year. If we ended up with Garrett Bradbury at #15 and then a 2nd round pick that became one of the second tier Edge rushers as well as a #1 next year then I'd be thrilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 hours ago, jetstream23 said: If we ended up with Garrett Bradbury at #15 and then a 2nd round pick that became one of the second tier Edge rushers as well as a #1 next year then I'd be thrilled. Do that and sign Houston, make the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 8 hours ago, choon328 said: Last year the Jets paid a 40% premium to move up to 3. So here's what I want from the Redskins and Giants in a trade. Jets #3 Pick - 2200 40% premium - 880 Total - 3080 Redskins #15 - 1050 #46 - 440 #76 - 210 #96 - 116 2020 1st - 430 (Worth 1 rd less) 2021 1st - 430 (Worth 1rd less) Total - 2776 pts Giants #6 - 1700 #17 - 950 #37 - 430-530 OR 2020 1st round pick Total - 3080-3180 I would rather take the Redskins deal bc it would give us 6 picks in the first 2 days which could really help this team a lot immediately. You could also package a couple of 3rds to move back into the 2nd round. It would give them a lot of flexibility in the draft. Plus getting the additional first round picks in 2020, 2021 would also help a lot. That's potentially 2 Top 10-15 picks in those years. It frees them up to either use those picks as trade capital or for an impact player in the draft. #96 is a comp pick which cannot be traded. Edit: nevermind, guess they changed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: #96 is a comp pick which cannot be traded. You can trade comp picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 58 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: You can trade comp picks. Oh ok now I see they changed that. Thanks. I always thought it was silly they weren't tradeable anyway. Good change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Just because the jets paid a premium for a pick, doesn’t mean other teams will too. I would be happy with a trade down that nets equal trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 19 hours ago, KRL said: After looking at the picks WSH has I would want their #1, #2, #3 in 2019 and their #1 in 2020. If they aren't willing to pay a "QB premium" forget it Yep it's gotta be a kings ransom to come from 15 to 3. We also should sign Houston if we're going to miss on a pass rush sign the best one available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Barry McCockinner said: Oh ok now I see they changed that. Thanks. I always thought it was silly they weren't tradeable anyway. Good change. When you come to think about it, comp. picks in all sports are silly. When a player finishes out a contract, and seeks to work somewhere else, why should the first team receive anything? If you leave your job tomorrow to go across the street, does your current company get compensated? Kind of defeats the term "free agency." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 10 hours ago, nyjets1969 said: I trade to back 15 snap up Garret Bradbury and fix the center problem then fleece the Redskins Jets get back the 2nd round next years 1 and 2nd rounder plus a 4th then a second rounder the following year. The only problem with that is Mac is the gm. Any idiot can pick a top 10 can’t blue chip near can’t miss prospect. Mac has shown when skill is needed to draft past first round, he has the worst draft record in nfl post easy round 1. Otherwise I would agree with you. Look at what colts did last yr with their 2nd round picks, rookie D player of yr, 2 other very good prospects.. Mac has wasted so many picks 2-7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, section314 said: When you come to think about it, comp. picks in all sports are silly. When a player finishes out a contract, and seeks to work somewhere else, why should the first team receive anything? If you leave your job tomorrow to go across the street, does your current company get compensated? Kind of defeats the term "free agency." The good thing is the signing team isn't the one giving up the pick. In baseball that teams often gives up a first rounder to sign a good player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, section314 said: When you come to think about it, comp. picks in all sports are silly. When a player finishes out a contract, and seeks to work somewhere else, why should the first team receive anything? If you leave your job tomorrow to go across the street, does your current company get compensated? Kind of defeats the term "free agency." A lot of times teams can't afford to keep good players they otherwise would have had it not been for the artificial limitation of the salary cap. I think the comp picks are intended to ease this pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 No the only problem is the red skins are not givejng up that much. Be realistic guys a 1st this year and next. A couple other picks like 2 and 5 or 3 and 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said: A lot of times teams can't afford to keep good players they otherwise would have had it not been for the artificial limitation of the salary cap. I think the comp picks are intended to ease this pain. I hear what you are saying, and agree that's why they have the system. Just think that the system is silly. Just a pet peeve, I guess. I'm not a labor lawyer.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 16 hours ago, Jets723 said: Even though Rosen is young his play last year left a lot to be desired. Plus his attitude is something that is well known. After players like Manziel and a Leaf teams take that into account This comparison is completely unfair. Rosen is a lot of things -arrogant, entitled, outspoken- but he's not on the level of these guys. Manziel and Leaf are addicts and criminals. Big ****ing difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Butterfield said: Just because the jets paid a premium for a pick, doesn’t mean other teams will too. I would be happy with a trade down that nets equal trade value. There's always a QB premium and the Jets should collect it. 32 minutes ago, section314 said: When you come to think about it, comp. picks in all sports are silly. When a player finishes out a contract, and seeks to work somewhere else, why should the first team receive anything? If you leave your job tomorrow to go across the street, does your current company get compensated? Kind of defeats the term "free agency." It's a broken system and should be addressed. The idea was to ease the loss of losing players on the open market, but the reality is that it helps the good teams who can afford to lose players on the open market and gives them extra assets to replenish their rosters on the cheap. Meanwhile, bad teams are buying these free agents for a large piece of their salary cap which hurts their ability to build around those players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BettyBoop Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Th only reason Washington is in the conversation is because they are screwed with Alex Smith's contract and the only way to rectify that is by getting a young QB (i.e., cheap) on a rookie deal for 4-5 years. On the other hand, they have too many holes to fill to give up a lot of draft picks. Snyder will never go into full rebuild mode. And the hopes of many posters that they'll give up 2019 first three picks and several 2020 picks is wishful thinking. The logical play is with the Giants but that will never happen. It wouldn't surprise me if Gettleman, who is one of those guys who tries to outthink himself, waits for Haskins to fall to him or he pulls a surprise and takes Drew Lock at #6. Denver is a possibility but Mac would have to settle for #10, #41 and a 2020 first round or second and third round picks. Elway has been terrible at picking QBs but has otherwise done well with his picks. Another team could surprise (Cincinnati?) but you have to look for a team who admittedly is in full rebuild mode. I just don't think it's going to happen. It's going to be Q, Bosa or Josh Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 hours ago, slats said: There's always a QB premium and the Jets should collect it. It's a broken system and should be addressed. The idea was to ease the loss of losing players on the open market, but the reality is that it helps the good teams who can afford to lose players on the open market and gives them extra assets to replenish their rosters on the cheap. Meanwhile, bad teams are buying these free agents for a large piece of their salary cap which hurts their ability to build around those players. Not every year is there a qb worth that premium. This is one of those years. The jets won’t get a premium for the 3rd pick. They will have to take less or stay where they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 5 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: No the only problem is the red skins are not givejng up that much. Be realistic guys a 1st this year and next. A couple other picks like 2 and 5 or 3 and 4. They gave up 3 first round picks and a 2nd to move up from 6 to 3 to get a QB. You think they wouldn't be willing to give up just as much to move from 15 to 3? It's the same owner who approved the last trade up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Butterfield said: Not every year is there a qb worth that premium. This is one of those years. The jets won’t get a premium for the 3rd pick. They will have to take less or stay where they are. You're wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 17 hours ago, choon328 said: Last year the Jets paid a 40% premium to move up to 3. So here's what I want from the Redskins and Giants in a trade. Jets #3 Pick - 2200 40% premium - 880 Total - 3080 Redskins #15 - 1050 #46 - 440 #76 - 210 #96 - 116 2020 1st - 430 (Worth 1 rd less) 2021 1st - 430 (Worth 1rd less) Total - 2776 pts Giants #6 - 1700 #17 - 950 #37 - 430-530 OR 2020 1st round pick Total - 3080-3180 I would rather take the Redskins deal bc it would give us 6 picks in the first 2 days which could really help this team a lot immediately. You could also package a couple of 3rds to move back into the 2nd round. It would give them a lot of flexibility in the draft. Plus getting the additional first round picks in 2020, 2021 would also help a lot. That's potentially 2 Top 10-15 picks in those years. It frees them up to either use those picks as trade capital or for an impact player in the draft. I'm pretty sure you need to reduce that 2021 point value further. 2020 is worth one round less than 2019. 2021 is worth one round less than 2020, etc. Not positive but I believe that's how the value chart would discount picks in further out years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, choon328 said: They gave up 3 first round picks and a 2nd to move up from 6 to 3 to get a QB. You think they wouldn't be willing to give up just as much to move from 15 to 3? It's the same owner who approved the last trade up. 100 percent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 The question NO ONE will answer is this: If Williams and Bosa are really that good and one of them is there at 2 why wouldnt there also be a lot of teams willing to trade up for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamax99 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Best case would be for Washington to trade #15 to Tampa for next years 1 then trade #5 to Jets for #5 and there 2rd and 4th and Jets still get Q Williams or Josh Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 If any of the crazy Redskin scenarios come to fruition, I'm buying a Dwayne Haskins jersey and wearing it to Jet games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Redskins don’t have enough to trade up with the jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiupeliMalamala Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Include Brandon Scherff whose going into his 5th year and will be due big contract, and can make it work with 1st, 2nd this year and 1st next year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 50 minutes ago, Philc1 said: Redskins don’t have enough to trade up with the jets Exactly we need early round immediate impact players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 10:04 PM, johnnysd said: The question NO ONE will answer is this: If Williams and Bosa are really that good and one of them is there at 2 why wouldnt there also be a lot of teams willing to trade up for them? Totally agree with you. Think the same would hold true for us at #3, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinamite Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I don't think we can expect the Jets level of overpay from last year. The Jets paid a high premium to box out anyone else from moving up. The draft last year also had prospects with less question marks it seems. There may be a premium to move up, but I don't think it will be to the level of what the Jets did last year . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 If we are going to move out of the top ten, we need an extra one from the team at the least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 On 3/21/2019 at 10:04 PM, johnnysd said: The question NO ONE will answer is this: If Williams and Bosa are really that good and one of them is there at 2 why wouldnt there also be a lot of teams willing to trade up for them? There are more than a few factors at play. The biggest is that while EDGE is generally considered the second most valuable position in pro football, it's still far behind QB. I think almost all teams, and fans of teams, prefer the idea of trading down to trading up, and few are interested in trading up for anything but a QB. This compounded by the fact that this year is deep on defense and pass rusher in particular, making the top two guys -with their own warts- less valuable. If the Jets are gonna get a haul for #3, it's gonna come from a team looking for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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