More Cowbell Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/79384/todd-haley-leveon-bells-unique-style-will-require-patience-from-jets%3fplatform=amp I think he's making too big a deal about this but the article said he spends nearly 4 seconds on average behind the LOS looking for a hole. That seems like a really long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: https://www.google.com/amp/www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/79384/todd-haley-leveon-bells-unique-style-will-require-patience-from-jets%3fplatform=amp I think he's making too big a deal about this but the article said he spends nearly 4 seconds on average behind the LOS looking for a hole. That seems like a really long time. That was the Steelers' OLine. He's getting 2 seconds here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 That is what makes him so damn good, his patience. Most backs just ram into the line whether there is a hole or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I'm gonna bet the under on "nearly 4 seconds" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 10 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: I'm gonna bet the under on "nearly 4 seconds" Bases on "Next Gen" stats it was: 3.01 seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMan77 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 It's super cliche I guess but I really do think the "game slows down" for him... He has the patience to wait, and he doesn't just see one opening, he's looking beyond that also to try and figure out what he needs to do to beat the LBs and safeties once he gets past the DL. I really do believe he often runs with a plan for getting by every level of the defense. He doesn't just get past the DL and wing it. He knows where he wants to go. Of course that doesn't mean it always works... Or even work half the time for that matter... But I definitely think he's a more cerebral runner than a lot of guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 23 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: https://www.google.com/amp/www.espn.com/blog/new-york-jets/post/_/id/79384/todd-haley-leveon-bells-unique-style-will-require-patience-from-jets%3fplatform=amp I think he's making too big a deal about this but the article said he spends nearly 4 seconds on average behind the LOS looking for a hole. That seems like a really long time. Instead of worrying about the how he gets results reasoning, theres always the results to look at. He has the most yards per game of any RB in the history of the game. Good enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 26 minutes ago, jetstream23 said: That was the Steelers' OLine. He's getting 2 seconds here. I think what Bell does is wait til the linesman comes off the block and then picks his hole. LB goes this way, I go that way type of thing. I am not sure how good the line has to be. Pit thad to be letting some of these DL slide through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, jack48 said: I think what Bell does is wait til the linesman comes off the block and then picks his hole. LB goes this way, I go that way type of thing. I am not sure how good the line has to be. Pit thad to be letting some of these DL slide through. IIRC Pitt Olineman basically just hold their blocks in most run plays and while they are keeping their block Lev Bell is able to read the 2nd level, as you said and chose where to run. I don't remember where I saw this video but essentially this was the case on these "longer developing" runs. Bell's patience can be a huge blessing to Q and Robby. If Sam develops and Bell is close to what he was, we are going to have an interesting Offense this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 24 minutes ago, Stark said: Bases on "Next Gen" stats it was: 3.01 seconds Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, Stark said: Bases on "Next Gen" stats it was: 3.01 seconds Shocker nothing is ever as bad as jets fans make it seem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Am I crazy or didn’t the Steelers have a pretty bad online for bells first few years? I remember Ben just getting wrecked and a lot of criticism being placed on the online- it’s why they drafts pouncey- maybe that was way pre bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 32 minutes ago, nico002 said: Am I crazy or didn’t the Steelers have a pretty bad online for bells first few years? I remember Ben just getting wrecked and a lot of criticism being placed on the online- it’s why they drafts pouncey- maybe that was way pre bell I took a look at the Steelers OL run blocking ranking from Football Outsiders. For most of his career, they were ranked between 3rd and 8th. His first year they were ranked 22nd. So aside from his first year, he ran behind a pretty good OL. But at the end of the day, Bell’s greatest asset is his receiving skills and his ability to run routes like a WR. That doesn’t change. We should be able to pencil him in for at least 70 receptions if he stays healthy all year. Im expecting something like 1,100 yards rushing on 250 carries and 600 yards receiving on 70 receptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: That is what makes him so damn good, his patience. Most backs just ram into the line whether there is a hole or not. Agreed but if our guys can't engage there may be a lot more TFLs than he is used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 If Bell is so good, the waiting won't be a problem. It should help by setting up the defenders. I think the main issue is that switching holes often results in holding penalties. When an offensive lineman gets a good grip, but then the play switches sides, the defender pulls off and you end up with a holding call. What I like is that this seems to line up well with Darnold. I think Darnold's extending plays does the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I feel like a lot of people are forgetting that we just traded for a guy who just 6 months ago was considered the best roadgrading guard in the league. And like Beerfish said, over the better part of the last decade, I think Jets fans have grown accustomed to watching Jet RB’s immediately plow head first into the nearest OL’s a$$hole. That isn’t the case with Bell in the slightest. Extremely patient runner coupled with elite field vision. He’s going to be awesome for the Jets and especially Darnold’s early development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Le'Veon Bell is adaptable. It's his vision that makes him tick, the Jets OL will be good enough. Besides, have a little faith in Darnold to threaten defenses with the pass. When people discuss Bell's patience, it sometimes feels like they think he is putzing around on every carry waiting for something to open up. That is simply not the case. If there is an immediate opening, he sees it and will hit it quickly. I can't stress this enough. I have watched this guy play regularly for years. Stop worrying! Just sit back and enjoy the ride.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I feel like a lot of people are forgetting that we just traded for a guy who just 6 months ago was considered the best roadgrading guard in the league. And like Beerfish said, over the better part of the last decade, I think Jets fans have grown accustomed to watching Jet RB’s immediately plow head first into the nearest OL’s a$$hole. That isn’t the case with Bell in the slightest. Extremely patient runner coupled with elite field vision. He’s going to be awesome for the Jets and especially Darnold’s early development. Definitely haven't forgotten...... but we really need to secure a STUD Center to pair with him. Maybe Harrison is that guy? IDK Beachum - Draft Pick Osemele - Harrison - Wisniewski - Draft Pick Winters - Shell - Shell will be a UFA in 2020. Need to decide what we will be doing at RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 No AB and no JuJu=stacked boxes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Bell had 85 receptions in 2017 when's the last time a Jet had that kind of production? Santonio in 2011? his running style or whatever aside the value of Bell is as a safety for Darnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, bitonti said: Bell had 85 receptions in 2017 when's the last time a Jet had that kind of production? Santonio in 2011? his running style or whatever aside the value of Bell is as a safety for Darnold Oh great, another safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Beerfish said: That is what makes him so damn good, his patience. Most backs just ram in whether there is a hole or not. Sounds like my first time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 25 minutes ago, jgb said: No AB and no JuJu=stacked boxes Good. Q and Herndon will have open middle of the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 I posted this Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 48 minutes ago, jgb said: No AB and no JuJu=stacked boxes Well if a team wants to stack the box, and send a 4.6 S man to man with Anderson deep, that works for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Message. Lineman stay on your blocks. Finish the play. Something they didn't do last year. It was maddening. Our highly respected new Offensive Line Coach will fix that, I'm sure. Another thing. Ben Rapelisberger did not invent the "check down" pass. It is not rocket science. It takes an aware Quarterback, who moves well in the pocket, goes through his progressions, and has his head looking downfield. Sam does all of that, and will get better. The quick looks and short outlets to multiple targets are a feature of the Adam Gase Offense. This is how you move the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 21, 2019 Author Share Posted March 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said: Message. Lineman stay on your blocks. Finish the play. Something they didn't do last year. It was maddening. Our highly respected new Offensive Line Coach will fix that, I'm sure. Another thing. Ben Rapelisberger did not invent the "check down" pass. It is not rocket science. It takes an aware Quarterback, who moves well in the pocket, goes through his progressions, and has his head looking downfield. Sam does all of that, and will get better. The quick looks and short outlets to multiple targets are a feature of the Adam Gase Offense. This is how you move the ball. I was actually thinking the same thing when I read the article. All RB's chip unless there is a free runner at the QB. I'm pretty sure that is what Bell and Ben are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Jet Nut said: Instead of worrying about the how he gets results reasoning, theres always the results to look at. He has the most yards per game of any RB behind a decent o-line in the history of the game. Good enough fixed that for you Nut'en! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, flgreen said: Well if a team wants to stack the box, and send a 4.6 S man to man with Anderson deep, that works for me That is what I was thinking. That Anderson would love the stacked box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Stark said: Bases on "Next Gen" stats it was: 3.01 seconds In football time, the difference between 3 and 4 seconds is an eternity. He's definitely a patient runner and it will be interesting to see how does behind the Jets oline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: I was actually thinking the same thing when I read the article. All RB's chip unless there is a free runner at the QB. I'm pretty sure that is what Bell and Ben are doing. All running backs except for the notable exception of one Isiah Crowell, that is. He was more of a disinterested bystander when it came to that. #2 reason I wanted him off the team. #'s 1 and 1a were his attitude and penchant for running the ball straight into the line of scrimmage, hole be damned. Others mentioned that propensity in the Jets offense of the past 4 years, in this thread. He immediately came to mind. Bell does none of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Football run games are about timing and teamwork. On standard run plays the RB is supposed to take the ball and hit where the hole is supposed to be and trust that it will be there. No pause. No hesitation. Bell is a different kind of cat. He doesn't do that. He waits and watches, then hits the hole wherever it may appear. It works for him. He's special that way. The o lineman like it while he's grinding out runs and winning games, but they have been known to complain that his style requires them to hold blocks longer and tires them out. The O lineman rarely gripe when it's working. No one wants to rock the boat when things are going well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TokyoJetsFan Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 Off topic, but Todd Haley + Big Ben + Antonio Brown must have made it hard for the team to pick the a$$hole of the Year award winner at the end of the year team dinner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry McCockinner Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 1 hour ago, flgreen said: Well if a team wants to stack the box, and send a 4.6 S man to man with Anderson deep, that works for me really - Darnold and Anderson had some good chemistry at the end of the year. Hoping for a better connection with a full offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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