sec101row23 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, New York Mick said: You could say that to posters who don’t actually watch college football and read the stats and watch highlights after someone starts getting talked about after a big game. I watch a lot of college football. I’ve ever thought he was great. So you’ve watched all his games at Kentucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: So you’ve watched all his games at Kentucky? No. I watch every ND game then I’ll watch the best game on or a team with players that the Jets might take or teams with top players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 17 minutes ago, sec101row23 said: So you’ve watched all his games at Kentucky? No. He just up and decided to be the guy who has a thing. If you read the thread from Allen's bowl game you can actually see where the light bulb lit up and popped and the next thing you know it's another spirited game of Have a Take. The kids ******* love that sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Just now, Miss Lonelyhearts said: No. He just up and decided to be the guy who has a thing. If you read the thread from Allen's bowl game you can actually see where the light bulb lit up and popped and the next thing you know it's another spirited game of Have a Take. The kids ******* love that sh*t. So glad you know what I do. That’s the thread everyone was talking about him so I chimed in. Watch the Georgia game if you want to see why I think he’s overrated. He’s blocked out of plays the whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Scene: draft night in a down-market south Florida gin joint. The envelope has been turned in and they're playing the video like always. This is the moment he's been waiting for, and the Jets never disappoint in disappointing. 'Same old Jets. Go figure. This is the one guy I didn't want. Ayyyyyyyyyyup, been saying it since January. I'm kind of known for it. When I saw him hit the quarterback ten times in that bowl game I knew. So now I'm that guy who didn't want Josh Allen and he's all ours. This'll be good for at least three of the same message board post every single day basically forever. Take that, Villain the Foe!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Give me Allen or Bosa all day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
long time suffering Jets f Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, SR24 said: Give me Allen or Bosa all day I'm also liking Williams more and more with each passing day, but In the end you're right. We need to fill a position of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Josh Rosen: If Tom Brady wins six Super Bowls, I plan on winning seven https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/josh-rosen-if-tom-brady-wins-six-super-bowls-i-plan-on-winning-seven/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 I remember everyone laughing at Mario Williams saying he was the best player in the draft. And laughing even harder at the Texans for drafting him over Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, New York Mick said: You could say that to posters who don’t actually watch college football and read the stats and watch highlights after someone starts getting talked about after a big game. I watch a lot of college football. I’ve never thought he was great. You say that, but your remark about Allen being one dimensional is the equivalent of saying Last year's Allen had a weak arm... He's the most versatile pure OLB to come since i can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, New York Mick said: So glad you know what I do. That’s the thread everyone was talking about him so I chimed in. Watch the Georgia game if you want to see why I think he’s overrated. He’s blocked out of plays the whole game. One game where he was blocked out the whole game says it all? Joey Bosa in the Pats playoff game proves hes overrated too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Paradis said: You say that, but your remark about Allen being one dimensional is the equivalent of saying Last year's Allen had a weak arm... He's the most versatile pure OLB to come since i can't remember. I said he’s a one dimensional passrusher (which a lot of “experts” have been saying as well) and is good in coverage. He’s not good against the run and gets eaten up by blockers who get their hands on him. I feel like this is the same debate I had years ago about Darren Mcfadden. Everyone jumped on his bandwagon because he was fast. I personally didn’t like him because I didn’t think he cut worth a sh*t and depended on opening to make plays. In hindsight we took Gholston that year so McFadden would of been a lot better choice if he was available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jet Nut said: One game where he was blocked out the whole game says it all? Joey Bosa in the Pats playoff game proves hes overrated too? Allen is going to look like Bosa did in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 minute ago, New York Mick said: Allen is going to look like Bosa did in that game. hard to win as a pass rusher when the QB doesn’t need to throw the ball all game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Just now, cant wait said: hard to win as a pass rusher when the QB doesn’t need to throw the ball all game It’s also hard when they’re allowed to hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, New York Mick said: Allen is going to look like Bosa did in that game. Yeah, one game proves that he'll look like one of the NFLs best in similar circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjets Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 The more I think about it I think he is the pick. Was on the Bosa train but after sitting out and not doing the drills makes me believe he is going to drop out the top 3 (don’t kill me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Paradis said: You say that, but your remark about Allen being one dimensional is the equivalent of saying Last year's Allen had a weak arm... He's the most versatile pure OLB to come since i can't remember. the most valid criticism I’ve seen is that a lot of allen’s sacks could be considered “low quality” bc they come off of situations where the offense gets fooled because they were expecting him to drop into coverage instead of winning with a fully developed arsenal of pass rush moves. but I don’t see why he can’t develop that at the next leve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, jetsjets said: The more I think about it I think he is the pick. Was on the Bosa train but after sitting out and not doing the drills makes me believe he is going to drop out the top 3 (don’t kill me) Bosa did drills at the combine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolloffjet Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 3 hours ago, New York Mick said: IMO he’s the most overrated passrusher this year. He’s a one dimensional passrusher that’s not going to get the huge openings in the pros and get blocked out of the play on runs. He is good at coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 hours ago, cant wait said: the most valid criticism I’ve seen is that a lot of allen’s sacks could be considered “low quality” bc they come off of situations where the offense gets fooled because they were expecting him to drop into coverage instead of winning with a fully developed arsenal of pass rush moves. but I don’t see why he can’t develop that at the next leve Sure. I mean, i don't think it's a problem - he's got all the natural talent in the world - but if we want to go after things like that, then we have to do the same with QW - who has 1 year of big game production AND it came against a softer schedule than Allen - vs teams that were down 30 by half time. No wonder he had god like production - it's not hard when the other team is having to pass 3/3 downs with little to no hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Report: Jets expected to draft EDGE Josh Allen in the first round: https://thejetpress.com/2019/03/22/new-york-jets-josh-allen-2019-nfl-draft/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 On 3/22/2019 at 9:40 PM, joenamathwouldn'tcry said: Who writes this stuff? I imagine he would think he is the best player in the draft. He's supposed to. For public consumption anyway. I'll tell you what bothers me about these guys. They proclaim with great bravado how they should be considered the "best" player in the draft, then, for one reason or another, either beg out of the combine, parts of it, or their pro day. This goes for almost all of them. If they're so confident in their remarkable skills put it out there for all to see. That's what "the best" should, and would do. Talk is cheap. Didn't he work out at the combine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 7 hours ago, RoadFan said: I am not yet done looking at film, but my initial thought is... Quinnen Williams is the best player in the draft. He is bigger than Bosa and Allen. Stronger than Bosa and Allen. And looks equally quick on film.... Williams can dominate a game at the LOS. I am not sure the other two can. Game changing sacks, probably. But dominate a game? I dont know. Based on my initial assessment, INITIAL, if QW is there at #3 it would take a whale of a deal for me to trade down. The guy is a monster. I feel the same way. What's more it doesn't even look like Williams was being challenged by the other team. He pretty much appeared to do whatever he wanted to. This guy can wreck games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joenamathwouldn'tcry Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, More Cowbell said: Didn't he work out at the combine? Yes, but not at his pro day. Same with Bosa. Same with Williams. It's all of them. Weak. Kyler Murray too. Haskins was the only top profile "recruit" to do both the combine and his pro day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 43 minutes ago, joenamathwouldn'tcry said: Yes, but not at his pro day. Same with Bosa. Same with Williams. It's all of them. Weak. Kyler Murray too. Haskins was the only top profile "recruit" to do both the combine and his pro day. Ok, so he worked out at the combine. Why does he need to do the same workout again at the pro-day if he likes the numbers he put out at the combine? If he had worse numbers at his pro-day that would hurt him. It's not lazy, its smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 10 hours ago, sec101row23 said: I think you are evaluating too much from just the bowl game. His body of work doesn’t match what you are saying. Idk, I've watched a fair amount of tape as well and he doesn't jump off the page like Bosa or Williams. His stats support his case especially coming from the SEC, I felt like he was always running free at the QB or he's try to speed rush around the tackle. I'm not saying it's a bad thing but it's definitely different than the power I saw from Bosa and Williams. He has a point on his health for sure though and that can't be understated. The best ability is availability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bla bla bla Posted March 24, 2019 Share Posted March 24, 2019 7 hours ago, cant wait said: the most valid criticism I’ve seen is that a lot of allen’s sacks could be considered “low quality” bc they come off of situations where the offense gets fooled because they were expecting him to drop into coverage instead of winning with a fully developed arsenal of pass rush moves. but I don’t see why he can’t develop that at the next leve I agree with this assessment. I'm worried he was schemed open a lot. Now he still needs to execute which he did but as I watch his highlights I don't get the "wow" like I see in Bosa and Williams. I have no problem if the Jets take him at #3, I understand wanting to take him over Williams. For me this is a better version of the Leonard Williams vs Vic Beasley debate from 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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