UnitedWhofans Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: Did you say that the Jets traded down in the first round for Mike Nugent? Anyway, James Farrior had a borderline HOF career and that trade down happened 20 years ago. The problem isnt trading down from talent, it's making sure you're able to acquire talent with those extra picks. How ridiculous is it to act like trading down guarantees not just missing on guaranteed talent but also guarantees. you to draft busts? The Jets have not traded down in decades and the only superstar they've drafted is Jamal Adams, and that was at the expense of not trading down and drafting Watson or Mahomes. All these pass rushers and none of these dudes are winning championships. Quarterbacks with good-enough defenses are winning championships I will say this though. Not trading down because you are afraid of the GM blowing the picks shouldn’t stop you from going through the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, UnitedWhofans said: If fully healthy, I would take our receivers over a few teams. What’s AAF got to do with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 What team has a strong "draft philosophy" as an example to what the Jets should be doing in the draft? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Philc1 said: The jets traded down for Nugent. On planet earth that is a correct statement I'll ask again given that on planet earth folks get confused between trading down in the first round to acquire more picks, and trading for actual players. Did The Jets trade down in the 1st round for Mike Nugent? Or did they trade their 1st round pick for TE Doug Jolley???? Dont mention this again, or the trade down for Farrior for that matter, given that he had a borderline HOF career when it was all said and done. Your argument holds no weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 21 minutes ago, JiF said: What team has a strong "draft philosophy" as an example to what the Jets should be doing in the draft? Just curious. John Dorsey's strong draft philosophy has been pretty successful for 2 separate teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 58 minutes ago, JiF said: What team has a strong "draft philosophy" as an example to what the Jets should be doing in the draft? Just curious. I figured I'd give you a detailed example given your curiosity. Dorsey was the Chiefs GM from 2013-2017 and the Browns GM from 2018-Present Key players by year 2013: Draft Travis Kelce (All pro top 2 TE in the league) Eric Fischer (Probowl LT) 2014: Draft Dee Ford ( Probowl pass rusher) Phillip Gaines (Nice depth CB) 2015 Draft Marcus Peters (All Pro CB) Mitch Morse (Starting level Guard/Center) 2016 Draft Chris Jones (All Pro DE) Tyreek Hill (All pro WR) 2017 Draft Patrick Mahomes (MVP of the league QB) Kareem Hunt (top 5 RB in the league) 2018 Draft (Browns) Baker Mayfield (Best QB of the class, breaks rookie TD record though he only was the starting QB in 12 games of 16 games) Denzel Ward (Rookie Pro bowler) Nick Chubb (Top 10 RB) Antonio Calloway (Starting caliber WR day 1). In 6 years Dorsey has drafted: 5 All-pros 9 probowlers 13 Starters 1 defensive rookie of the year (Peters) 1 offensive rookie of the year (Hunt) 1 offensive rookie of the year runner-up (Mayfield) 1 NFL MVP (Mahomes) For 2 different teams (Chiefs & Browns) And that's not even taking into account all of the quality free agents he's picked up to help flesh out his rosters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: I figured I'd give you a detailed example given your curiosity. Dorsey was the Chiefs GM from 2013-2017 and the Browns GM from 2018-Present Key players by year 2013: Draft Travis Kelce (All pro top 2 TE in the league) Eric Fischer (Probowl LT) 2014: Draft Dee Ford ( Probowl pass rusher) Phillip Gaines (Nice depth CB) 2015 Draft Marcus Peters (All Pro CB) Mitch Morse (Starting level Guard/Center) 2016 Draft Chris Jones (All Pro DE) Tyreek Hill (All pro WR) 2017 Draft Patrick Mahomes (MVP of the league QB) Kareem Hunt (top 5 RB in the league) 2018 Draft (Browns) Baker Mayfield (Best QB of the class, breaks rookie TD record though he only was the starting QB in 12 games of 16 games) Denzel Ward (Rookie Pro bowler) Nick Chubb (Top 10 RB) Antonio Calloway (Starting caliber WR day 1). In 6 years Dorsey has drafted: 5 All-pros 9 probowlers 13 Starters 1 defensive rookie of the year (Peters) 1 offensive rookie of the year (Hunt) 1 offensive rookie of the year runner-up (Mayfield) 1 NFL MVP (Mahomes) For 2 different teams (Chiefs & Browns) And that's not even taking into account all of the quality free agents he's picked up to help flesh out his rosters. Doesnt seem like has a "philosophy" at all. He's all across the board on what he drafts and when he drafts them. He just finds good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, JiF said: Doesnt seem like has a "philosophy" at all. He's all across the board on what he drafts and when he drafts them. He just finds good players. Oh, my bad. His philosophy is not to just draft good players on both sides of the ball, but utilize his own scouting/evaluation philosophy. Drafting an undersized Baker Mayfield #1 overall instead of Darnold wasn't popular at all by critics in the moment. But doubling down and drafting an undersized Denzel Ward over the Monster Bradley Chubb, a small CB that was in no one's top 4 literally had folks claiming "same old browns" before we even got to the 5th pick in the draft. 8 months later, folks were calling him a genius. There are numerous examples similar to this. John Dorsey marches to the beat of his own drum. A prime example of following his philosophy and not caring about the big boards by pundits who are considered "experts" but most have no resume drafting anyone But you can call it him just finding good players. Maybe Macc should follow that then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Mac cannot carry Dorsey’s clipboard. Dorsey was fired by KC and available for months. The Jets should have hired him. Notwitstanding Mahomes, I see KC struggling without Dorsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 A lot of guys on that list have "red flags". Hunt, Hill, Peters. Calloway. Other guys like Beckham, Mayfield, and Landry have varying levels of "personality". The Bengals, Ravens and Steelers are in complete flux. They have as good a shot now as they ever will. Let's see the Browns have a winning record before we crown him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: Oh, my bad. His philosophy is not to just draft good players on both sides of the ball, but utilize his own scouting/evaluation philosophy. Drafting an undersized Baker Mayfield #1 overall instead of Darnold wasn't popular at all by critics in the moment. But doubling down and drafting an undersized Denzel Ward over the Monster Bradley Chubb, a small CB that was in no one's top 4 literally had folks claiming "same old browns" before we even got to the 5th pick in the draft. 8 months later, folks were calling him a genius. There are numerous examples similar to this. John Dorsey marches to the beat of his own drum. A prime example of following his philosophy and not caring about the big boards by pundits who are considered "experts" but most have no resume drafting anyone But you can call it him just finding good players. Maybe Macc should follow that then. Isnt that just being good at scouting and selecting good players? Or at least, that's how I'm seeing this...it's not that he has rules to follow or does and dont of when and where to select players; he's just better at scouting players than his peers. I guess what I'm getting at is, there isnt some bulletproof draft philosophy. It's about finding good players. If you do that, your team is probably going to be pretty good. If you dont, your team is probably not very good. In the case of the Jets, if half of Mac's picks hit, we wouldnt be complaining and there wouldnt need to be a change in "philosophy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 5 hours ago, JiF said: Isnt that just being good at scouting and selecting good players? Or at least, that's how I'm seeing this...it's not that he has rules to follow or does and dont of when and where to select players; he's just better at scouting players than his peers. I guess what I'm getting at is, there isnt some bulletproof draft philosophy. It's about finding good players. If you do that, your team is probably going to be pretty good. If you dont, your team is probably not very good. In the case of the Jets, if half of Mac's picks hit, we wouldnt be complaining and there wouldnt need to be a change in "philosophy". But Macc's picks aren't hitting, and his philosophy has been to draft the "Best Available Player". So it's clear that Macc has a philosophy, but that talent evaluation is poor. A guy like Dorsey wouldn't draft Hack in the 2nd round and consider that BAP. Dorsey is a better evaluator of talent and his philosophy that he uses works. This is a guy who drafted back to back franchise QB's from the big 12 conference air raid system. The same conference and system that everyone with something to say said does not produce NFL quality quarterbacks. Dorsey is doing something different than the rest. So there is some sort of philosophy that he has, even if that philosophy is for him to simply trust his ability to evaluate talent, because obviously folks who considered Mahomes a 3rd round talent and Baker as too short arent good evaluators of talent nor know how to get the most out of players qith unique skillsets. You dont just have that level of success 6 years straight. Macc is the GM that will draft a Safety over Mahomes while Dorsey is the GM that will move up in the Draft to draft him. He has sound philosophy and an understanding of player value and team building and its been bulletproof over 6 years while building two different franchises, one of them being a 1-31 team before he got there. And whats crazy, he has gotten better as the years have gone by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: But Macc's picks aren't hitting, and his philosophy has been to draft the "Best Available Player". So it's clear that Macc has a philosophy, but that talent evaluation is poor. A guy like Dorsey wouldn't draft Hack in the 2nd round and consider that BAP. Dorsey is a better evaluator of talent and his philosophy that he uses works. This is a guy who drafted back to back franchise QB's from the big 12 conference air raid system. The same conference and system that everyone with something to say said does not produce NFL quality quarterbacks. Dorsey is doing something different than the rest. So there is some sort of philosophy that he has, even if that philosophy is for him to simply trust his ability to evaluate talent, because obviously folks who considered Mahomes a 3rd round talent and Baker as too short arent good evaluators of talent nor know how to get the most out of players qith unique skillsets. You dont just have that level of success 6 years straight. Macc is the GM that will draft a Safety over Mahomes while Dorsey is the GM that will move up in the Draft to draft him. He has sound philosophy and an understanding of player value and team building and its been bulletproof over 6 years while building two different franchises, one of them being a 1-31 team before he got there. And whats crazy, he has gotten better as the years have gone by. Is it the GM or the scouting department? I suspect that the methodologies our scouting department use suck, and too much authority is given/ceded to the head coach. We will see if Macs drafting philosophy seems to change. Oh and OROY or not, Darnold is a better QB than Mayfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, johnnysd said: Is it the GM or the scouting department? I suspect that the methodologies our scouting department use suck, and too much authority is given/ceded to the head coach. We will see if Macs drafting philosophy seems to change. Oh and OROY or not, Darnold is a better QB than Mayfield It's the GM. It was a known fact that John Dorsey refused to tell anyone who he was taking with the 1st overal pick until he told Hue Jackson days before the pick. https://thecomeback.com/nfl/browns-john-dorsey-pick-hue-jackson.html Also, keep in mind that his success is based on two different teams, and back when he was a scout guy for the Patriots he banged the table for a guy named Terrell Davis, but was ignored. Davis ended up being a SB winning HOF RB. Dorsey has a history of picking great players. Im not saying that the scouting dept has no value to him, but I think it's pretty clear that Dorsey is doing his own research on guys as well. I remember during Sam Darnold's pro day, Dorsey was chatting it up with his parents in the stands trying to get that inside lane to info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: But Macc's picks aren't hitting, and his philosophy has been to draft the "Best Available Player". So it's clear that Macc has a philosophy, but that talent evaluation is poor. A guy like Dorsey wouldn't draft Hack in the 2nd round and consider that BAP. Dorsey is a better evaluator of talent and his philosophy that he uses works. This is a guy who drafted back to back franchise QB's from the big 12 conference air raid system. The same conference and system that everyone with something to say said does not produce NFL quality quarterbacks. Dorsey is doing something different than the rest. So there is some sort of philosophy that he has, even if that philosophy is for him to simply trust his ability to evaluate talent, because obviously folks who considered Mahomes a 3rd round talent and Baker as too short arent good evaluators of talent nor know how to get the most out of players qith unique skillsets. You dont just have that level of success 6 years straight. Macc is the GM that will draft a Safety over Mahomes while Dorsey is the GM that will move up in the Draft to draft him. He has sound philosophy and an understanding of player value and team building and its been bulletproof over 6 years while building two different franchises, one of them being a 1-31 team before he got there. And whats crazy, he has gotten better as the years have gone by. I don’t think BAP is Macs philosophy. Hack was BAP? Devin Smith? Darron Lee? These seemed like needs driven picks. Even last year with Sheppard. Much better players with a name on the board. Might be semantics at this point but Dorsey hasn’t shown he has some type of full proof strategy, he’s just got it right more than others. Nothing about his draft history shows he favors this over that. Or that he has do’s and do nots. I guess I’m just confused by the overall point, in a lot of ways, Mac’s drafts mirror Dorsey’s from a position selection, he’s just better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 16 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: John Dorsey's strong draft philosophy has been pretty successful for 2 separate teams. Dorsey has the sack to trust his own assessment and go against the consensus, critics be damned. Macc drafts not to lose. Dorsey drafts to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 45 minutes ago, JiF said: I don’t think BAP is Macs philosophy. Hack was BAP? Devin Smith? Darron Lee? These seemed like needs driven picks. Even last year with Sheppard. Much better players with a name on the board. Might be semantics at this point but Dorsey hasn’t shown he has some type of full proof strategy, he’s just got it right more than others. Nothing about his draft history shows he favors this over that. Or that he has do’s and do nots. I guess I’m just confused by the overall point, in a lot of ways, Mac’s drafts mirror Dorsey’s from a position selection, he’s just better. I'll just have to unfortunately leave you in your confusion given that you dont really want to take into consideration anything im saying. Now Macc doesnt have a BAP philosophy because of 3 players out of the 29 total that he's drafted. Macc has always been a BAP Drafter. That's precisely how we ended up with Leo Williams, as well as Darron Lee and Hackenberg for that matter. But back to Big Cat. A guy who was drafted to an already full defensive line but Maccagnan looked at it as a situation where he didnt expect Leo to even be available by the time we picked, and though that was one of our strong position groups, adding strength to that group with more talent can never hurt. He did the same thing in that 2016 draft because Macc could have easily picked Paxton Lynch with that pick instead of Lee, but instead he went BAP route and decided to draft Hack in the 2nd round, which I think he actually scared himself into making that pick after Houston (Bill O'Brien) jumped in front of the Jets in the 2nd round to draft Nick Martin. I believe that the trade up by Hack's old HC spooked Macc alittle bit and he pulled the trigger on Hack prematurely because of it. But that Darron Lee pick was definitely a "BAP" pick by Macc given that generally, QB is more valuable than LB, yet Macc decided to pass on Lynch, a QB, in order to take Lee, a LB, though Macc drafted both positions with premium top 50 picks. Devin Smith was as well. The fact that you named him was purely on the hindsight of knowing that he didnt work out. The problem is, we will never know what he talent was given that it didnt work out due to health. That was something out of Macc's control given that Smith didnt have health issues entering the league. It's clearly hindsight given that you didnt mention Leo Williams, because that was clearly a BAP pick based on the fact that the strongest area of the Jets at the time was literally defensive line. I can provide more examples, but it wont matter. You have the right to not agree with me, and it's not like I know any of these guys personally. I simply believe that im correct on this...though it's a possibility that you could actually be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 41 minutes ago, jgb said: Dorsey has the sack to trust his own assessment and go against the consensus, critics be damned. Macc drafts not to lose. Dorsey drafts to win. That's a great philosophical approach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, JiF said: I don’t think BAP is Macs philosophy. Hack was BAP? Devin Smith? Darron Lee? These seemed like needs driven picks. Even last year with Sheppard. Much better players with a name on the board. Might be semantics at this point but Dorsey hasn’t shown he has some type of full proof strategy, he’s just got it right more than others. Nothing about his draft history shows he favors this over that. Or that he has do’s and do nots. I guess I’m just confused by the overall point, in a lot of ways, Mac’s drafts mirror Dorsey’s from a position selection, he’s just better. Biggest two problems are that he has had no roster building plan that actually works in this decade and the guys he picks are not even athletically competitive to have a shot at succeeding. Darron Lee is like the poster boy for overdrafting a low impact position that lacks even prerequisite physical traits to reach the top of the position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Villain The Foe said: I'll just have to unfortunately leave you in your confusion given that you dont really want to take into consideration anything im saying. Now Macc doesnt have a BAP philosophy because of 3 players out of the 29 total that he's drafted. Macc has always been a BAP Drafter. That's precisely how we ended up with Leo Williams, as well as Darron Lee and Hackenberg for that matter. But back to Big Cat. A guy who was drafted to an already full defensive line but Maccagnan looked at it as a situation where he didnt expect Leo to even be available by the time we picked, and though that was one of our strong position groups, adding strength to that group with more talent can never hurt. He did the same thing in that 2016 draft because Macc could have easily picked Paxton Lynch with that pick instead of Lee, but instead he went BAP route and decided to draft Hack in the 2nd round, which I think he actually scared himself into making that pick after Houston (Bill O'Brien) jumped in front of the Jets in the 2nd round to draft Nick Martin. I believe that the trade up by Hack's old HC spooked Macc alittle bit and he pulled the trigger on Hack prematurely because of it. But that Darron Lee pick was definitely a "BAP" pick by Macc given that generally, QB is more valuable than LB, yet Macc decided to pass on Lynch, a QB, in order to take Lee, a LB, though Macc drafted both positions with premium top 50 picks. Devin Smith was as well. The fact that you named him was purely on the hindsight of knowing that he didnt work out. The problem is, we will never know what he talent was given that it didnt work out due to health. That was something out of Macc's control given that Smith didnt have health issues entering the league. It's clearly hindsight given that you didnt mention Leo Williams, because that was clearly a BAP pick based on the fact that the strongest area of the Jets at the time was literally defensive line. I can provide more examples, but it wont matter. You have the right to not agree with me, and it's not like I know any of these guys personally. I simply believe that im correct on this...though it's a possibility that you could actually be right. Thank you for allowing me to disagree with you and recognizing the possibility I could be right. You're acting like Dorsey is doing something different in the draft and he's really not, he's just picking the right players. You dont want to recognize the fact Mac drafts the same positions virtually in the same rounds (outside of RB), so if his philosophy is taking better players, than yes, I think we should adapt that philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I think the point about Mac drafting not to lose is only potentially accurate early, otherwise Dorsey is just a better talent evaluator and I don't see any philosophical difference, just competence I also think that it's likely we end up with Bosa this year which will follow the William's, Adam's, Darnold trend of the big name pundits didnt expect to be there when we pick hence a "safe" pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 37 minutes ago, JiF said: Thank you for allowing me to disagree with you and recognizing the possibility I could be right. You're acting like Dorsey is doing something different in the draft and he's really not, he's just picking the right players. You dont want to recognize the fact Mac drafts the same positions virtually in the same rounds (outside of RB), so if his philosophy is taking better players, than yes, I think we should adapt that philosophy. Brother, picking the right players is literally SOMETHING DIFFERENT than what's been going on here. It's the complete opposite of what we've experienced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: Brother, picking the right players is literally SOMETHING DIFFERENT than what's been going on here. It's the complete opposite of what we've experienced. Such a spectacular philosophy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, JiF said: Such a spectacular philosophy!!! Well if you don’t call it a philosophy and sh*t it all up with a bunch of other word vomit that you think makes you sound smart, then ‘we should take the good players’ isn’t really a sentiment that would warrant more than a couple of threads around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Well if you don’t call it a philosophy and sh*t it all up with a bunch of other word vomit that you think makes you sound smart, then ‘we should take the good players’ isn’t really a sentiment that would warrant more than a couple of threads around here. GMs who draft well are Socratic geniuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 20 hours ago, JiF said: What team has a strong "draft philosophy" as an example to what the Jets should be doing in the draft? Just curious. The Steelers but they almost always draft defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Jets Voice of Reason said: Biggest two problems are that he has had no roster building plan that actually works in this decade and the guys he picks are not even athletically competitive to have a shot at succeeding. Darron Lee is like the poster boy for overdrafting a low impact position that lacks even prerequisite physical traits to reach the top of the position. The problem wasn’t draft philosophy it was talent evaluation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmnj Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 only jet fans try to compare a loser to a winner and argue the loser some how is better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, JiF said: Such a spectacular philosophy!!! Better than that "Best Available Player" we've been experiencing. Oh wait, now Macc doesnt do that. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: Well if you don’t call it a philosophy and sh*t it all up with a bunch of other word vomit that you think makes you sound smart, then ‘we should take the good players’ isn’t really a sentiment that would warrant more than a couple of threads around here. You know, If I were to gather all of the initial comments either directed to me or about me from you, the vibe and energy would be exactly like this. FOR YEARS! Think about it. We never "actually" speak....lol. You just "feeeeel" some type of way. Most of the time I ignore this emotion, given that we never really had a communicative relationship here. Yet you continue to be emotional and salty. I own your mind. hahaha. P.S. You're going to respond with some slick sh*t, but afterwards, think about that^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico002 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 20 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: I figured I'd give you a detailed example given your curiosity. Dorsey was the Chiefs GM from 2013-2017 and the Browns GM from 2018-Present Key players by year 2013: Draft Travis Kelce (All pro top 2 TE in the league) Eric Fischer (Probowl LT) 2014: Draft Dee Ford ( Probowl pass rusher) Phillip Gaines (Nice depth CB) 2015 Draft Marcus Peters (All Pro CB) Mitch Morse (Starting level Guard/Center) 2016 Draft Chris Jones (All Pro DE) Tyreek Hill (All pro WR) 2017 Draft Patrick Mahomes (MVP of the league QB) Kareem Hunt (top 5 RB in the league) 2018 Draft (Browns) Baker Mayfield (Best QB of the class, breaks rookie TD record though he only was the starting QB in 12 games of 16 games) Denzel Ward (Rookie Pro bowler) Nick Chubb (Top 10 RB) Antonio Calloway (Starting caliber WR day 1). In 6 years Dorsey has drafted: 5 All-pros 9 probowlers 13 Starters 1 defensive rookie of the year (Peters) 1 offensive rookie of the year (Hunt) 1 offensive rookie of the year runner-up (Mayfield) 1 NFL MVP (Mahomes) For 2 different teams (Chiefs & Browns) And that's not even taking into account all of the quality free agents he's picked up to help flesh out his rosters. Yet Ford, Peters, Morse, Hill, and Hunt are not with KC anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenOfTroy Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said: You know, If I were to gather all of the initial comments either directly to me or about me from you, the vibe and energy is exactly like this. FOR YEARS! Think about it. We NEVER speak....lol. I own your mind. hahaha. Remind me to never, ever, ever argue with you! So much entertainment at someone else’s expense! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, HelenOfTroy said: Remind me to never, ever, ever argue with you! So much entertainment at someone else’s expense! ? For years auntie! lol. And I seriously dont understand. We dont even speak. Outside our 15 minutes in the moon was a hoax thread, it's rare that we speak and I never quote her in any random thread. We literally have no engagement outside of her emotions. This place is crazy at times lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, nico002 said: Yet Ford, Peters, Morse, Hill, and Hunt are not with KC anymore... Your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 villain the foe has way too much time on his/her hands... is it correct to say "it" gender neutral? anyway. go wank to your baker gmayfield posters, please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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