chirorob Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Philc1 said: Tony Gonzalez is the greatest TE of all time. Gates is 2nd. Gronk retiring this early because of steroids and the fact that Belichick was about to cut him hurts his legacy Tony G played longer, but prime Gronk is the best i have ever seen. Tony could not and did not block, Gronk was an excellent blocker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Should we talk about the holes on the Patriots roster that Maccagnan....errr....Belichick failed to anticipate or fill during FA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 This guy isn’t retiring. I do not trust those cheating scumbags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 If he stays retired good riddance. Go to the WWE, become a professional partier, I don't care just go away. Just another hole in the dike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 The fire was still burning in this Pats squad from the Philly Special shocker. They've lost their starting left tackle, Trey Flowers (best defensive player), now Gronk has retired, Gordon helped them win enough games to get that 1 home playoff game & again only having to win 2 games to get to another Super Bowl. They luckily drew the young deer in headlights Goff instead of Brees, Kamara, Thomas, Ingram. The stars aligned for them again because the AFC east blows chunks (7-1 again vs AFC east). No way that team comes out with the fire they did last year. I'll be shocked if Edeleman isnt nabbed for something again, the dudes veins were like ant trails, every little muscle popping like he just finished 4 sets of curls during the game. We finally have some players to compete, starting with our young QB. Our defensive middle, where the Patriots always expose teams with those f*cking screens & RB dumpoffs is literally our strongest area with 4 good LBs & 2 good safeties with addition of a tough slot CB in Poole. If we stay at #3, we're adding Q.Williams, Bosa or Josh Allen to this defense, a huge upgrade that will help everyone else, Leo & Anderson mostly. I believe we can honestly say, the Pig is Ripe this offseason. It has to happen some year, I believe this is the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Plagued with a lot of injuries the last few years. Smart move on his part to go out on top. Started to lose some intensity but could never be overlooked. Seemed like when I watched him last year he was more concerned about trying to draw penalties than catching the ball. Anyway you look at it it’s good news for the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 13 hours ago, nico002 said: Sad, dude is a legend. Best TE ever and honestly it’s not close. not the best TE ever not even close. Maybe if he stayed healthy and played for 12 plus years he could be considered for best ever but Tony Gonzalez Played for 16 years and had 15K yards and 111 TD's Compared to Gronks 9 years 7.8k yards and 79 TD's. Ands when you compare the 3-4 best years of each TE they are very close in comparison even in that aspect. Part of being the greatest ever you have to factor in longevity as well. Gronk could never stay healthy. Gronk had 3 great years for a TE and one amazing year his second year in the league. If you want to say he had the greatest year ever by a TE then yeah he did in 2011 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 gronk was one of the few players who i enjoyed watching succeed. of course a lot of that was at the expense of the jets but he always brought his A game. there aren't too many other patsie players who i would praise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJIII Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Argent has not ruled out a return to the NFL. Get his ass to the Jets. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Love Tony Gonzalez, but at no point was he ever a better player than Gronkowski. Gronk has the highest yard/game, catches/game, TDs on a per game basis of any TE ever. He has the best season any TE has ever had statistically, and he was dominant in the playoffs and has 3 superbowls. Moreover from an intangible point of view, it really makes the gap larger. Gronk was one of the best blockers in TE history (Gonzalez was at best average) and he could line up at every skill position on the field, including fullback. Gonzalez was more like a receiver than a TE, and could create more separation than any TE I ever saw. However, Gronk had a wider catch radius, was absolutely unstoppable after the catch, and was one of the biggest matchup nightmares the NFL has ever seen. The 2011 Patriots changed NFL offenses forever b/c of the nightmare that a dual threat TE could cause, where if you put a cb on him, they would just run the ball and if they put a safety or LB on him, it was an easy pitch and catch. Gonzalez has the longevity checkmark of course, but I actually think Ozzie Newsome was the second best TE ever (and if you compare the stats, its also not close to Gronk). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 10 hours ago, chirorob said: Tony G played longer, but prime Gronk is the best i have ever seen. Tony could not and did not block, Gronk was an excellent blocker. Huh? Gonzalez was a good blocker where are you talking out of the ass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Smashmouth said: not the best TE ever not even close. Maybe if he stayed healthy and played for 12 plus years he could be considered for best ever but Tony Gonzalez Played for 16 years and had 15K yards and 111 TD's Compared to Gronks 9 years 7.8k yards and 79 TD's. Ands when you compare the 3-4 best years of each TE they are very close in comparison even in that aspect. Part of being the greatest ever you have to factor in longevity as well. Gronk could never stay healthy. Gronk had 3 great years for a TE and one amazing year his second year in the league. If you want to say he had the greatest year ever by a TE then yeah he did in 2011 It is so trendy to call Gronk the greatest TE ever but I guess I would too if I was 19 and on social media all day 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Ghost said: This guy isn’t retiring. I do not trust those cheating scumbags. And here we go. The Gronk unretirement speculation starts.......a day after Gronk retires. Quote "Rob is 29 years old. He's still a very young man. It wouldn't shock me if he has a change of heart, if he feels great and he decides that he wants to play football," Drew Rosenhaus said on Get Up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Philc1 said: It is so trendy to call Gronk the greatest TE ever but I guess I would too if I was 19 and on social media all day Any of the "Greatest Ever" stuff is goofy. Like really, did you watch a lot of the players in the 60s, 70s, and 80s? Gronk only had 4 years over 1000 yards, and only played 16 games twice. Edit, I looked it up, Tony G also only had 4 years over 1000 yards, he had a ton in the 800-900 range. Antonio Gates only had 2 over 1000 yards, as did Jason Whitten. Allowing for the times they played in, Mike Ditka's rookie year may have been the best year ever for a Tight End. 1961 he had over 1000 yards receiving, averaging 19 yards per reception. That is on a team that only threw for 2600 yards in total. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 A good player for sure and not really interested in parsing out where he falls in the annals of TE history. He had a mess of injuries and probably on track to have painful permanent injuries if he kept playing. I have obligatory dislike for him as a Pats player but he seemed to be very wise with his finances and will probably go on to be just fine in life getting paid to be a local celebrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just where is Doug Jolley in all of these discussions? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 hours ago, chirorob said: Any of the "Greatest Ever" stuff is goofy. Like really, did you watch a lot of the players in the 60s, 70s, and 80s? Gronk only had 4 years over 1000 yards, and only played 16 games twice. Edit, I looked it up, Tony G also only had 4 years over 1000 yards, he had a ton in the 800-900 range. Antonio Gates only had 2 over 1000 yards, as did Jason Whitten. Allowing for the times they played in, Mike Ditka's rookie year may have been the best year ever for a Tight End. 1961 he had over 1000 yards receiving, averaging 19 yards per reception. That is on a team that only threw for 2600 yards in total. Gonzo is the GOAT. I’m not being a patriots hater that’s simply a fact. He played longer and did more he was the Jerry Rice of tight ends yeah I’ve never bought the “you have to be older than 65 to have an opinion about sports” argument but when I see people acting like Gronkowski is the Babe Ruth of football I have to disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: Just where is Doug Jolley in all of these discussions? Maybe 2nd or 3rd best receiver but by far greatest blocking tight end ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Gronk at his peak was better then any te in history. But injuries and the length of his career keeps him from being the best te of all time (career wise). 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Wish he had been a Jet his attitude would’ve fit in well here. He probably would’ve had twice as many TDs if he stayed healthy. When he was on he was as close to unstoppable as I’ve ever seen. Good luck in the movies Gronk... the next Schwartzennager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Gronk did not have the longevity, but if I’m having to pick a Tight End, then I pick Gronk over any Tight End that ever played every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Gronk did not have the longevity, but if I’m having to pick a Tight End, then I pick Gronk over any Tight End that ever played every time.You must be too young to remember Kellen Winslow Sr. Or Shannon Sharpe. Or ... Antonio GatesOr ... DitkaOr ... Tony Gonzales Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 43 minutes ago, Dunnie said: You must be too young to remember Kellen Winslow Sr. Or Shannon Sharpe. Or ... Antonio Gates Or ... Ditka Or ... Tony Gonzales Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk No Gronk is a freak, the rest aren’t. Tony G was the original move Tight End who was an ok blocker. Mike Ditka was from the 60’s and was a tough SOB but could have played in the modern NFL.? Gates another move Tight End, Sharpe was the original won’t block racked up receiver. Gronk excels at everything, the Pats would not have Won as much as they have without him. I get he’s a Pat, and I hate them as much as anyone. If I’m picking a team to play a game of football, he’s the first name that goes against Tight End. His knock is he’s injury prone. When he’s fit it’s not close. I been watching the NFL since 82 so outside of Ditka I’ve seen them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 No Gronk is a freak, the rest aren’t. Tony G was the original move Tight End who was an ok blocker. Mike Ditka was from the 60’s and was a tough SOB but could have played in the modern NFL.? Gates another move Tight End, Sharpe was the original won’t block racked up receiver. Gronk excels at everything, the Pats would not have Won as much as they have without him. I get he’s a Pat, and I hate them as much as anyone. If I’m picking a team to play a game of football, he’s the first name that goes against Tight End. His knock is he’s injury prone. When he’s fit it’s not close. I been watching the NFL since 82 so outside of Ditka I’ve seen them all.Winslow was my favorite out of them all ... Huge and an amazing receiver.Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dunnie said: Winslow was my favorite out of them all ... Huge and an amazing receiver. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk Agreed he was years ahead of his time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 3/24/2019 at 6:00 PM, Lith said: 1 down. 1 to go? Is that years, they have dominated this weak division for 18 some odd years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache 51 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 oh yeah, and F-Gronk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 On 3/25/2019 at 9:48 AM, RJIII said: Argent has not ruled out a return to the NFL. Get his ass to the Jets. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app I’ll take Gronk on the Jets. He can still block and he will be foaming at the mouth to get vengeance over the Pats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Seems like a great dude, very likable. Definitely won't miss him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Dunnie said: Winslow was my favorite out of them all ... Huge and an amazing receiver. Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk But apparently his sperm got CTE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 3/24/2019 at 6:30 PM, Jet Nut said: Great player, great career. Played football the way it should be, had a blast and was the best. A sure fire HOF player. And F him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenOfTroy Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Blah...Gonzalez is soft because he’s a L.A. boy who played for Cal, and Gronk is also soft because he played for Arizona. Soft, soft, soft. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxAF Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 On 3/25/2019 at 7:30 AM, Ghost said: This guy isn’t retiring. I do not trust those cheating scumbags. That could be true but he’s pretty beat up. Back, knees, elbow and a couple concussions.... I think he’s done. He’s past his prime and I think he knows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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