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Who is a better GM Dave Gettleman or Mike McCagnan?


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13 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

There's always somebody looking to trade up.  That excuse was retired after Maccagnan failed to trade up time and again, even when there wasn't a QB teams were looking to move up for.  In a class with 4 QB's going in the top 10?  Of course someone was going to be willing.  The Jets moved up to 3.  Why couldn't Gettleman have swindled Maccagnan there?  

As for the bold, Only one of those 3 things is going to happen.  And the one that will happen, Saquon returning to form, doesn't matter because he's still a RB and he still has a short average shelf life in this league.  You can never build your team around a RB, especially not in today's NFL.

Still stunning Gettleman didn't squeeze a a 4th rounder out of Macc to move up. I think a call may have taken place but Macc had no guts or preference between Darnold and Rosen. You know... maybe he was smarter than me thought!

13 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

And then what happened?

And as special as Henry is, they don't get there if you replace Tannehill with an average QB; Tannehill posted a 117.5 QB Rating and 9.6 YPA that season.  Love him or hate him, he was # 1 in the NFL in both categories that season.  

It's also important to note that Henry was a former # 45 overall pick.  Barkley was a # 2 overall pick.  Massive difference in resources devoted to RB there.  And it'll be interesting to see how the Titans do moving forward now that Henry is the 5th-highest paid RB in the NFL and is coming off back to back years where he got 300+ carries (378 last season).  

Don't forget that Henry played like he was wearing concrete shoes with Mariota behind center. Sometimes a whole is worth more than the sum of its parts. Tannehill and Henry are symbiotes. 

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13 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

They got to the playoffs again last year.

Tannehill sees 9 guys in the box on every snap.  Henry makes Tannehill, not the other way around.

Can't wait to test that theory with Darnold paired with CMAC this season.

13 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

You sure we'd have taken Allen? Coin toss whether it'd have been Allen or Rosen, no matter what the rumors now became after seeing which one turned out better than the other. At the time he made the trade to move up, the frontrunners for picks 1-2 were Darnold & Rosen, and maybe not in that order.

Only thing better about Rosen is the experiment would've been over faster. 

Of course people still would've blamed his on-field woes on the supporting cast, coaching, moon phases, etc.

At first I thought no way Macc would pair Rosen with Bowles. No way Bowles could manage that twerp. But after further reflection (and looking at Macc's scouting visits leading up to the draft) I'm convinced the desire to avoid another Hack was a stronger driver. Would've been Rosen. And we'd be hearing the exact same plug-and-play excuses for his sucking that we do for Sam.

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So essentially the question is, which GM is only the second worst in the NFL?

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2 hours ago, Joe W. Namath said:

They got to the playoffs again last year.

Tannehill sees 9 guys in the box on every snap.  Henry makes Tannehill, not the other way around.

Henry absolutely helps Tannehill a great deal.  But he still has to take advantage of the defenses when they load the box.  Not every QB can do that.  Especially not to the tune of 33 TDs and just 7 INTs like Tannehill put up last season.  

Meanwhile, Ryan Tannehill will probably still be an effective player in this league 5 years from now.  You can't say that about Derrick Henry.  He's probably toast in 2-3 years.  Thus, Tannehill is the more valuable player.  And his paycheck demonstrates that.  

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19 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Henry absolutely helps Tannehill a great deal.  But he still has to take advantage of the defenses when they load the box.  Not every QB can do that.  Especially not to the tune of 33 TDs and just 7 INTs like Tannehill put up last season.  

Meanwhile, Ryan Tannehill will probably still be an effective player in this league 5 years from now.  You can't say that about Derrick Henry.  He's probably toast in 2-3 years.  Thus, Tannehill is the more valuable player.  And his paycheck demonstrates that.  

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wait for the insta flip flop in this “Henry made Tannehill” narrative when Darnold stinks up the joint alongside CMAC. Conveniently forgotten is that Sanchez blew basket-ball sized chunks of fecal matter onto the field with the NFL’s #1 rushing attack.

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Macc or Gettleman?

Well, one of them built a team that won 50 games in 5 years, 4 playoff apperances and a trip to the SB in Carolina.  Gettleman has struggled since coming to the Giants, but at least he has had some success as a GM.  Unlike Macc.

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3 minutes ago, Lith said:

Macc or Gettleman?

Well, one of them built a team that won 50 games in 5 years, 4 playoff apperances and a trip to the SB in Carolina and build a Super Bowl team there.  Gettleman has struggled since coming to the Giants, but at least he has had some success as a GM.  Unlike Macc.

Jets fans: “ok, fine. let’s call it a draw.”

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Most GMs would not survive the OBJ mega contract debacle and the cap hell it created, let alone the horrible drafting, the 10-30 record and hiring/firing Pat Shurmur. 

Mr Coffee was equally inept but his failures seem slightly less spectacular in comparison. 

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36 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Henry absolutely helps Tannehill a great deal.  But he still has to take advantage of the defenses when they load the box.  Not every QB can do that.  Especially not to the tune of 33 TDs and just 7 INTs like Tannehill put up last season.  

Meanwhile, Ryan Tannehill will probably still be an effective player in this league 5 years from now.  You can't say that about Derrick Henry.  He's probably toast in 2-3 years.  Thus, Tannehill is the more valuable player.  And his paycheck demonstrates that.  

By the way…

 

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Only in Jetland is Tannehill a bad QB and Darnold is secretly good.

If only someone had called it…

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On 3/24/2019 at 8:40 PM, Beerfish said:

Both are bad for different reasons. 

Right now Mac is better because gettlemen stupidly passed on a Qb for a RB when he was drafting high and did not have to trade up to get a guy.

i wonder how highly gettleman had darnold rated?  or allen or jackson?  i totally agree picking a back with the 2 pick was foolhardy.  in hindsight he should've picked allen then use the danny dimes pick on a good back or wr in the next draft.  i guess he thought eli with a really good back could lift the team into the playoffs. it didn't happen but i also have a real hard time putting that teams failures at eli's feet.  he had a decent season, stat wise just not much of a coach or supporting cast.

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Anthrax vs. Ebola  what a pleasant thread......
Ahhh July .... what better month is there to search out posts from March to necro?

Sad thing is ... the McCagnan effect still can be felt to this day.

Luckily ... we seem to be through the eye of the storm.

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Gettleman.  Not even close.  Maccagnan one of the worst, if not the worst, GMs in the history of the NFL.  His draft picks and FA signings were a disaster.  Impossible to do worse.

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