JetsLife Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 This is an over-simplification but there is much merit to it: Teams like the Pats often generate pass rush because their opponents are down 14 points + in the second half and guess what - human nature has the opposing OC abandoning the run game. And giving the Pats defense the chance to essentially tee off with their pass rush and blitzing. You see it time and again including us Jets fans - how often have we been down a lot to the Pats in the second half and suddenly it feels like a prison break collapsing our QB pocket. Well, the Pats be teeing off. As they and other winning teams do. They get a fat lead and the opposing OC starts semi panicking and abandons the run. One dimensional football. Game over. The point has been made in here it's not just about sacks. Indeed: when your team's OC starts abandoning the run, all the opposing defense must do is disrupt the pocket and passing game. Which is more doable when an offense gets one dimensional in favor of the pass. What does this mean for the Jets? A couple things IMHO: continue upgrading the offense/offensive line, hopefully get those 10 point + second half leads so we can pin our ears back. And obviously, continue upgrading the pass rush. Also: I think the CJ Moseley addition, for example, actually has a lot to do with the pass rush. For the other obvious way to force teams in to one-dimensional passing is stop the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, JetsLife said: This is an over-simplification but there is much merit to it: Teams like the Pats often generate pass rush because their opponents are down 14 points + in the second half and guess what - human nature has the opposing OC abandoning the run game. And giving the Pats defense the chance to essentially tee off with their pass rush and blitzing. You see it time and again including us Jets fans - how often have we been down a lot to the Pats in the second half and suddenly it feels like a prison break collapsing our QB pocket. Well, the Pats be teeing off. As they and other winning teams do. They get a fat lead and the opposing OC starts semi panicking and abandons the run. One dimensional football. Game over. The point has been made in here it's not just about sacks. Indeed: when your team's OC starts abandoning the run, all the opposing defense must do is disrupt the pocket and passing game. Which is more doable when an offense gets one dimensional in favor of the pass. What does this mean for the Jets? A couple things IMHO: continue upgrading the offense/offensive line, hopefully get those 10 point + second half leads so we can pin our ears back. And obviously, continue upgrading the pass rush. Also: I think the CJ Moseley addition, for example, actually has a lot to do with the pass rush. For the other obvious way to force teams in to one-dimensional passing is stop the run. Most teams these days pass to set up the run, not may teams run first so the good old jets theory of having great ilbs and dts means jack squat. If you are stupid, like the jets have been the last few years you hand off into the line twice and then pass on 3rd and long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoBowles Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Just now, Beerfish said: Most teams these days pass to set up the run, not may teams run first so the good old jets theory of having great ilbs and dts means jack squat. If you are stupid, like the jets have been the last few years you hand off into the line twice and then pass on 3rd and long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Most teams these days pass to set up the run, not may teams run first so the good old jets theory of having great ilbs and dts means jack squat. If you are stupid, like the jets have been the last few years you hand off into the line twice and then pass on 3rd and long. Why fix it if it ain't broke?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTJetsFan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Interesting. Makes me wonder what % of sacks come on "obvious passing situations" (3 & long, 2 minute drill, team down by 14+ in 4th quarter) vs say on 1st & 2nd down in first 3 quarters of a close game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Teams that are ahead can cause turnovers by creating obvious passing situations. Think of how so many of the jet turnovers happen - down early, have to throw to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 In theory, Bell should eliminate alot of this because of his versatility. When he is in the backfield there is no "tendency" to defend against. He is skilled in both running and receiving, as well as pass blocking, and if he and Sam can click it limits what the defense can do regardless of the score... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, JetsLife said: This is an over-simplification but there is much merit to it: Teams like the Pats often generate pass rush because their opponents are down 14 points + in the second half and guess what - human nature has the opposing OC abandoning the run game. And giving the Pats defense the chance to essentially tee off with their pass rush and blitzing. You see it time and again including us Jets fans - how often have we been down a lot to the Pats in the second half and suddenly it feels like a prison break collapsing our QB pocket. Well, the Pats be teeing off. As they and other winning teams do. They get a fat lead and the opposing OC starts semi panicking and abandons the run. One dimensional football. Game over. The point has been made in here it's not just about sacks. Indeed: when your team's OC starts abandoning the run, all the opposing defense must do is disrupt the pocket and passing game. Which is more doable when an offense gets one dimensional in favor of the pass. What does this mean for the Jets? A couple things IMHO: continue upgrading the offense/offensive line, hopefully get those 10 point + second half leads so we can pin our ears back. And obviously, continue upgrading the pass rush. Also: I think the CJ Moseley addition, for example, actually has a lot to do with the pass rush. For the other obvious way to force teams in to one-dimensional passing is stop the run. true enough about playing from ahead. even the jets of the past few seasons looked a heck of a lot better when they were playing with a lead. yeah we know they had a hard time holding one but still the defense played better when they could force teams into doing things that they wouldn't ordinarily be doing. good teams can typically pass and run pretty well but what playing with a lead does is the reduce the amount of time available to make up the points. not all teams can run a two minute drill the whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 It all matters As you alluded to you have to stop the run to force a passing situation and you have 2.5 seconds to get to the QB You have to disguise coverages and fronts You have to adapt to the opponent All you need is everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: Most teams these days pass to set up the run, not may teams run first so the good old jets theory of having great ilbs and dts means jack squat. If you are stupid, like the jets have been the last few years you hand off into the line twice and then pass on 3rd and long. Actually, in 2018 the Jets threw the ball 60.85% of the time on first down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, flgreen said: Actually, in 2018 the Jets threw the ball 60.85% of the time on first down My perception is reality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 With all the colons and references to smelling things in these thread titles lately it almost seems like you guys are becoming marginally self-aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: With all the colons and references to smelling things in these thread titles lately it almost seems like you guys are becoming marginally self-aware. Here are a pair of colons I remember fondly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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