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Pass Rush Debate: Get A Lead, Pin Your Ears Back


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This is an over-simplification but there is much merit to it:

Teams like the Pats often generate pass rush because their opponents are down 14 points + in the second half and guess what - human nature has the opposing OC abandoning the run game. And giving the Pats defense the chance to essentially tee off with their pass rush and blitzing. You see it time and again including us Jets fans - how often have we been down a lot to the Pats in the second half and suddenly it feels like a prison break collapsing our QB pocket. Well, the Pats be teeing off. As they and other winning teams do. They get a fat lead and the opposing OC starts semi panicking and abandons the run. One dimensional football. Game over.

The point has been made in here it's not just about sacks. Indeed: when your team's OC starts abandoning the run, all the opposing defense must do is disrupt the pocket and passing game. Which is more doable when an offense gets one dimensional in favor of the pass.

What does this mean for the Jets? A couple things IMHO: continue upgrading the offense/offensive line, hopefully get those 10 point + second half leads so we can pin our ears back. And obviously, continue upgrading the pass rush.

Also: I think the CJ Moseley addition, for example, actually has a lot to do with the pass rush. For the other obvious way to force teams in to one-dimensional passing is stop the run.

 

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Just now, JetsLife said:

This is an over-simplification but there is much merit to it:

Teams like the Pats often generate pass rush because their opponents are down 14 points + in the second half and guess what - human nature has the opposing OC abandoning the run game. And giving the Pats defense the chance to essentially tee off with their pass rush and blitzing. You see it time and again including us Jets fans - how often have we been down a lot to the Pats in the second half and suddenly it feels like a prison break collapsing our QB pocket. Well, the Pats be teeing off. As they and other winning teams do. They get a fat lead and the opposing OC starts semi panicking and abandons the run. One dimensional football. Game over.

The point has been made in here it's not just about sacks. Indeed: when your team's OC starts abandoning the run, all the opposing defense must do is disrupt the pocket and passing game. Which is more doable when an offense gets one dimensional in favor of the pass.

What does this mean for the Jets? A couple things IMHO: continue upgrading the offense/offensive line, hopefully get those 10 point + second half leads so we can pin our ears back. And obviously, continue upgrading the pass rush.

Also: I think the CJ Moseley addition, for example, actually has a lot to do with the pass rush. For the other obvious way to force teams in to one-dimensional passing is stop the run.

 

Most teams these days pass to set up the run, not may teams run first so the good old jets theory of having great ilbs and dts means jack squat.

If you are stupid, like the jets have been the last few years you hand off into the line twice and then pass on 3rd and long.

 

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Just now, Beerfish said:

Most teams these days pass to set up the run, not may teams run first so the good old jets theory of having great ilbs and dts means jack squat.

If you are stupid, like the jets have been the last few years you hand off into the line twice and then pass on 3rd and long.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Most teams these days pass to set up the run, not may teams run first so the good old jets theory of having great ilbs and dts means jack squat.

If you are stupid, like the jets have been the last few years you hand off into the line twice and then pass on 3rd and long.

 

Why fix it if it ain't broke?😁

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In theory, Bell should eliminate alot of this because of his versatility.  When he is in the backfield there is no "tendency" to defend against.  He is skilled in both running and receiving, as well as pass blocking, and if he and Sam can click it limits what the defense can do regardless of the score...

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1 hour ago, JetsLife said:

This is an over-simplification but there is much merit to it:

Teams like the Pats often generate pass rush because their opponents are down 14 points + in the second half and guess what - human nature has the opposing OC abandoning the run game. And giving the Pats defense the chance to essentially tee off with their pass rush and blitzing. You see it time and again including us Jets fans - how often have we been down a lot to the Pats in the second half and suddenly it feels like a prison break collapsing our QB pocket. Well, the Pats be teeing off. As they and other winning teams do. They get a fat lead and the opposing OC starts semi panicking and abandons the run. One dimensional football. Game over.

The point has been made in here it's not just about sacks. Indeed: when your team's OC starts abandoning the run, all the opposing defense must do is disrupt the pocket and passing game. Which is more doable when an offense gets one dimensional in favor of the pass.

What does this mean for the Jets? A couple things IMHO: continue upgrading the offense/offensive line, hopefully get those 10 point + second half leads so we can pin our ears back. And obviously, continue upgrading the pass rush.

Also: I think the CJ Moseley addition, for example, actually has a lot to do with the pass rush. For the other obvious way to force teams in to one-dimensional passing is stop the run.

 

true enough about playing from ahead.  even the jets of the past few seasons looked a heck of a lot better when they were playing with a lead.  yeah we know they had a hard time holding one but still the defense played better when they could force teams into doing things that they wouldn't ordinarily be doing.  good teams can typically pass and run pretty well but what playing with a lead does is the reduce the amount of time available to make up the points.  not all teams can run a two minute drill the whole game.

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It all matters 

As you alluded to you have to stop the run to force a passing situation and you have 2.5 seconds to get to the QB

You have to disguise coverages and fronts 

You have to adapt to the opponent 

All you need is everything 

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2 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Most teams these days pass to set up the run, not may teams run first so the good old jets theory of having great ilbs and dts means jack squat.

If you are stupid, like the jets have been the last few years you hand off into the line twice and then pass on 3rd and long.

 

Actually, in 2018 the Jets threw the ball 60.85% of the time on first down

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