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Strong pass on Quentin Williams for me as well.  Give me Bosa or Allen!   It’s critical the New York Jets don’t fully commit to the rigid big board By  Robby Sabo  -

Not a fan of the article. In general, it entirely glosses over the fact that this is not a prioritization or strategy issue but an evaluation issue. The Leonard Williams pick is an excellent example.

blah blah blah..  if Macc is stuck at 3 and took Jonah Williams over Nick Bosa he should be fired.

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It's true we can get locked into certain players at certain draft spots. I had been thinking Josh Allen was a lock for #3 if the Jets picked there. After reading scouting reports and measurables for the JN mock draft, however, I've started thinking that Brian Burns might be an even better pick.

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I think th ideal scenario for mccagnan is he trades with the giants and takes Taylor.  If they go beyond 7 the jags may take him.  

Mccagnan seems like a gm who is overly influenced by the HC and i can see gase getting in his ear about needing more OL.  At least hopefully.

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If a trade down doesnt materialize I would not be upset at all if they shocked us with the florida OL guy.

I would add that the jets are in a wierd position where even a “bad” trade down would be better than staying put at 3.

id swap the 3 for 10 and a second rounder even. Wed be better off with a guy like jawaan taylor and wr debo samuels in the 2nd than allen alone at 3 imo. So draft value chart be damned this year. I know, i know youre going to rip on me now

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6 minutes ago, HighPitch said:

Hes been consistently mocked as a top 10

 

4 minutes ago, Augustiniak said:

Most mocks i read have him going top 10 and many of these having him going to Jax at 7.  

 

Interesting.  Just thought that Jonah Williams was the consensus top OL, because there weren't any franchise LT's in this draft.  If Jawaan Taylor has a chance to be a LT, I like him more than Jonah. 

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Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

 

 

Interesting.  Just thought that Jonah Williams was the consensus top OL, because there weren't any franchise LT's in this draft.  If Jawaan Taylor has a chance to be a LT, I like him more than Jonah. 

I think a few OTs have passed him at least in mocks.  If the jets trade out of the top 10 though i can see them taking the top center.

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1 minute ago, Augustiniak said:

I think a few OTs have passed him at least in mocks.  If the jets trade out of the top 10 though i can see them taking the top center.

If we trade down anywhere in the Top 15 and take a Center there, I will start a riot.

Late 1st/Round 2 is where we should target a C.  No earlier. 

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6 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

 

Interesting.  Just thought that Jonah Williams was the consensus top OL, because there weren't any franchise LT's in this draft.  If Jawaan Taylor has a chance to be a LT, I like him more than Jonah. 

Overall consensus is he is more of a traditional NFL LT than Jonah so that is why he took over the #1 spot. 

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5 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

If we trade down anywhere in the Top 15 and take a Center there, I will start a riot.

Late 1st/Round 2 is where we should target a C.  No earlier. 

Mccagnan has a way of overreacting, and all i’m Saying is that if we trade back with the redskins i can see them taking a C.  But this is still a long shot.  

 

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The main focus should be keeping Sam upright. OL must be Paramount in this year's draft. Would I be pissed if they went OL at 3? NO.

Trading out of the pick has to be the focus. If not and Bosa isn't there I wouldn't be upset if they drafted an OL. Sam should be given every opportunity to succeed. A strong OL is the start of that. Everything else is secondary.

 

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9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

If we trade down anywhere in the Top 15 and take a Center there, I will start a riot.

Late 1st/Round 2 is where we should target a C.  No earlier. 

Your comment just shot down the above article. 😊

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1 minute ago, jetsons said:

Your comment just shot down the above article. 😊

I mean, it doesn't take a genius to recognize that position value is important.  You don't take Kickers, Punters, Centers, Guards, ILB's or Box Safeties in the top 10. 

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1 hour ago, stugotz81 said:

 

Through 28 total Mike Maccagnan selections, “best available player” has been the calling card.

Think Leonard Williams. New York was stocked at the 3-4 defensive end position at the time of Leo’s slippage. Muhammad Wilkerson and Sheldon Richardson were both in tow. Damon Harrison was even still in town. Despite not having a legitimate starting position for the USC product, Maccagnan tabbed him the No. 6 pick in the 2015 NFL Draft.

Has the Big Cat worked out? I don’t know; you make the call. Personally, I expect more than 17 sacks and one Pro Bowl from of a “best talent in the pool” sort of player that simply couldn’t be turned away when the position was already set in-house. Either way, it forced Richardson to hilariously attempt to play out of position along the edge for the majority of the season while making it impossible for Todd Bowles to run a legitimate defense with quick enough edges.

“Best available player” has turned into just two offensive line selections over four seasons (zero over the last two). Both picks came in the fifth round (Jarvis Harrison in 2015 and Brandon Shell in 2016). The state of New York’s current O-line fits in with the worst in the league.

To me, Quinnen Williams is a no-no. He plays Leo’s position, the 3-technique. He’s not bigger than Leo, meaning he and Leo together in the 4-3 base makes no sense. Leo’s sidekick in that scenario should be a 1-technique/nose tackle type. Quinnen works in the 3-4 opposite Leo, but where does that leave Henry Anderson? Moreover, as currently constituted, the subpackage look is already set with Leo and Henry along the interior.


Quinnen makes no sense with dire needs still on the table. But alas, the dreaded “best available player” may strike again (just as it did in 2015).

Admittedly, I have no idea whether a Taylor gamble at No. 3 is the right choice. Both Bosa and Allen possess the goods at a position the Jets haven’t felt comfortable since John Abraham roamed Giants Stadium. But that’s why trading down is so critical; the two most important units of a football team (save for quarterback), offensive line and four-man conventional pass rush, are currently as bare as a Janet Jackson body part at the Super Bowl.

If a trade doesn’t happen, though, Mike Maccagnan cannot force himself into the silly “best available player” notion. It has to be edge or O-line. It has to remain flexible. And the lesson that the rigid big board going into every NFL Draft never turns out to hold truth must be written over 10 times on the war room white board.

https://elitesportsny.com/2019/03/28/new-york-jets-critical-do-not-fully-commit-to-rigid-big-board/

Thank god i'm not insane. 

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But...... Quinnen Leo Sheldon Quinton Muhammed Williams is a gap penetrating beast who will live in the backfield, get pressure up the middle (which is how you win in this league) and is a generational talent!  You just do not turn your back on that kind of once in a decade player!

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This article makes a lot of sense to me.

Is Taylor actually projected as a left tackle though? I though he would be a right tackle in the NFL? That's just based on things I've read - could definitely be wrong.

For the first time in forever we have an offensive head coach. The off season has had more of an offensive feel to it than normal so far. While the HC is not the GM, all GM's work with the HC to varying degrees. Gase will have input on the draft and despite what the big board says I am having a hard time imagining a defensive player taken #3 overall for that reason.

Obviously a trade down is the preferred approach, but I won't be the least bit surprised if we go offense at #3.

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1 hour ago, Nixhead said:

Just trade down so we can get a pass rusher and an O Lineman. It’s that simple.  Mac though hasn’t shown the ability to trade down successfully yet. There’s always a first time. 

Go back and look at the last time the Jets traded down in the first.

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4 minutes ago, UnitedWhofans said:

While the article is right in theory, this year the OL talent in the draft is not that good compared to the other line.And reaching for OL can be disastrous.

Trading out is the only way I see gettingg a top OL prospect in the first round 

For all these top rated defensive players every year, has this propelled teams to the playoffs?  Or has Goff, wentz, mahomes, and offensive weapons been the drivers?  

If the jets took the best OL in the draft in the first round the next few years it would serve the team better than constantly overdrafting defensive players who don’t change games.

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25 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

But...... Quinnen Leo Sheldon Quinton Muhammed Williams is a gap penetrating beast who will live in the backfield, get pressure up the middle (which is how you win in this league) and is a generational talent!  You just do not turn your back on that kind of once in a decade player!

Heard that one before !!!

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53 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

uhh Macc’s big board has gotten us the best player in the draft on two separate occasions, so

2?

William's, Adams, Darnold and coming next, bosa

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