Darnold Schwarzenegger Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, choon328 said: Duke has had a better career over the same length of time. Yeldon would likely sign a cheap 1 year deal while Duke has 3 years left on his deal with cap hits of $1.8, $3.6 & $4.6. All signing Yeldon does is push the need for a backup RB back a year. Adding Duke solidifies that spot for at least the next 2 years, most likely 3. One thing you're not taking into consideration is that nobody knows how Bell will hold up injury wise after being gone for so long. Most likely he'll have some sort of soft tissue injury during the year. A competent backup is necessary. I also don't think it's realistic that the Jets will work him like the Steelers did, especially the first season back. Anybody concerned about sending a 6th or 7th round pick as compensation shouldn't be. Those picks rarely impact a team in any way at any point. There is no one in those rounds that would help this team more than Duke would. Honestly Dukes career is better but not by much. I mean he has 1286 career rushing yards. Sure He's a better pass catcher out of the backfield but yeldons not too shabby In that department either. And Your right a 6th or 7th Rd pick isn't a lot to give up. So I won't be mad if we make this move. I just don't think it's necessary. I'd rather use those picks to draft a developmental guard/ tackle/ center for example. Bell won't be on the sideline much so I don't want to be paying his backup 5 mill a season, especially when you can get similar production(250 yards) for cheap in free agency. But to each his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MykePM Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 41 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said: This confirms that bell is never coming off of the field. Outside of 2015 when bell only played 6 games, his backups only average about 250 yards a season. McGuire or cannon can do that. His backup is not that important. One of the reasons that Bell didn't sign his tender with the Steelers is because they were running him into the ground. Based on what Gase has said in interviews, he is very sensitive to Bell's workload, and plans to not overwork him - a wise approach given Bell's age and rust after sitting out a year. It's also been Gase's M.O. with Miami and his other past teams. Given that, Bell's "backup" becomes very important. Even beyond that though, what about some creative play design that would feature arguably the best two pass-catching backs in the league on the field at the same time? They both do well in pass protection also, so that gives you all kinds of options that the defense will need to account for. This is the kind of outside-the-box thinking that I'm hoping for out of Gase, since our offensive philosophies have been pretty vanilla for many years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 I'd rather grab FA RB TJ Yeldon. Good pass catcher as well and he would not cost us ANY draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death2NE Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Bells backups by season: 2017 Conner 144 yards rushing 0td 0 recptions Ridley 108 yards rushing 0 TDS 0 receptions 2016 DeAngelo Williams 340 yards rushing 4 TDS 118 receiving yards 2 td catches. 2015 Bell was injured only played 6 games. DeAngelo Williams had 907 yards rushing. 2014 Legarrette blount 266 yards rushing 2 TDS. 2013 Jon Dwyer 197 yards 0tds Felix Jones 184 yards 0tds This confirms that bell is never coming off of the field. Outside of 2015 when bell only played 6 games, his backups only average about 250 yards a season. McGuire or cannon can do that. His backup is not that important. Now I'm not against adding a player like Duke Johnson because depth is always a good thing to have. But I don't want to trade away a draft pick for him when TJ yeldon is a free agent and is an identical player to Johnson. You can also probably sign him for less than 5 million a year.No offense but that just proves that’s how the Steelers run their offense , without even checking I can guarantee James Connor saw an overwhelming majority of snaps over his backup Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 5 hours ago, choon328 said: So any player on a bad team you'd stay away from? That makes no sense. He'd immediately lessen the blow of when Bell was out of the game bc he lines up all over the field just like Bell. And if it cost a 6th this year it's well worth it. There is not 1 player that you'd get in that round that would have as much impact on the team for the next 2-3 years than him. That's a fact. bell out of the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, Death2NE said: No offense but that just proves that’s how the Steelers run their offense , without even checking I can guarantee James Connor saw an overwhelming majority of snaps over his backup Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app bell is a legitimate work horse and he doesn’t take a ton of hard contact so he wont wear down like some of these other runners do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Death2NE Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 bell is a legitimate work horse and he doesn’t take a ton of hard contact so he wont wear down like some of these other runners do I’m definitely in agreement that bell needs to be on the field far more than any other back on the roster but going into with duke instead of mcguire / canon / unknown draft pick or FA is a lot more reassuring in the event something happens to bell Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjets Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Only thing better than a RB who can catch the ball is having two of them on your roster and one of them is getting paid like 1.2 mill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 We've made our heavy investment at the RB position. I wouldn't trade any draft capital for Bell's backup. The Jets can pick up a back like Yeldon to do the job they would have asked Duke to do and at a fraction of the price. While Cleveland would take the cap hit for the remaining 2.25M of his signing bonus, Duke would cost the Jets (salary + roster/workout bonuses) 2019: $2.3M, 2020: $4.1M & 2021: $5.15M. Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, jetsjets said: Only thing better than a RB who can catch the ball is having two of them on your roster and one of them is getting paid like 1.2 mill. Duke's salary + workout/roster bonuses: 2019: $2.3M, 2020: $4.1M, 2021: $5.15M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjets Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dcat said: Duke's salary + workout/roster bonuses: 2019: $2.3M, 2020: $4.1M, 2021: $5.15M Still not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 50 minutes ago, jetsjets said: Only thing better than a RB who can catch the ball is having two of them on your roster and one of them is getting paid like 1.2 mill. Yeah, you know what, why did we even pay bell. Why not sign yeldon and Duke they are beasts.. Lol I love posting the bell back up number..when they played they played the whole game as a bell cow. Those touches were not like 5 a game. 6 th rounder should not be wasted on a back up rb, It should be wasted by Macc on a lineman who doesn't work out. Whatever doesn't matter we have bell I am happy but would be a waste to pay Duke here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 7 hours ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: Good lord nouw many cleveland cast offs do we need? Crowell was enough, Not sure I understand your point here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, jetsjets said: Only thing better than a RB who can catch the ball is having two of them on your roster and one of them is getting paid like 1.2 mill. Yeah but is it worth losing out on the next Jordan Leggett for? Do YOU want to be the guy that traded the pick that would have netted you the next Chad Hansen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 I want Duke Johnson on my roster and not another Trenton Cannon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Would gladly give up a 5th for him. A great pass catching RB, would be a dynamic backfield with him and Bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 8 hours ago, choon328 said: What do you think that 7th round pick is going to turn into? Most likely he'll be cut before the season. I'd rather have the "backup". Um, a backup on a cheap contract? This guy couldn't even beat out Crowell in Cleveland, so now that Crowell is gone, let's bring in his backup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowles Movement Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 7 hours ago, Dcat said: Duke's salary + workout/roster bonuses: 2019: $2.3M, 2020: $4.1M, 2021: $5.15M 4 and 5 million for a back up RB that probably wont see the field much seems a little rich. Given those salaries, if Im Mac id pass. Sign a vet or draft a rookie in the late rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYJetsDaddy Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, More Cowbell said: Um, a backup on a cheap contract? This guy couldn't even beat out Crowell in Cleveland, so now that Crowell is gone, let's bring in his backup To be fair, Duke isn't really a starter on this team. He would be someone that could fill in for Bell though when he needs a breather. Crowell was brought in to be the starter. I think if Bell were not on the team and Duke was traded for to be "the guy" that would be a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Another RB with a contract? No Besides, what 3rd down do we want Bell on sidelines for. Duke is an average between the tackles RB, 3rd downs are his best skill draft a cop back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Isn't this guy basically McGuire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, NYJetsDaddy said: To be fair, Duke isn't really a starter on this team. He would be someone that could fill in for Bell though when he needs a breather. Crowell was brought in to be the starter. I think if Bell were not on the team and Duke was traded for to be "the guy" that would be a mistake. And McQuire would be fine for giving him a breather. Isn't Powell still on this team? How many RB's do we need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 3 hours ago, More Cowbell said: Um, a backup on a cheap contract? This guy couldn't even beat out Crowell in Cleveland, so now that Crowell is gone, let's bring in his backup You don't know what you're talking about. He has the most receiving yards by a RB since 2015 and the 3rd most receptions by a RB since 2015. Him and Crowell are completely different players. When Bell needs a rest Duke has the same exact ability to create mismatches as him. The Jets could run the same plays/offense for both players without skipping a beat. Bell is just better. Duke is everything we hoped McGuire would be but isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, section314 said: Isn't this guy basically McGuire? He's much better than McGuire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, choon328 said: He's much better than McGuire I'll defer to you on that, but at the cost of a pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 46 minutes ago, section314 said: Isn't this guy basically McGuire? Yup only ten times better. Besides that, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Just now, section314 said: I'll defer to you on that, but at the cost of a pick? Who do you like in the sixth round that you're afraid to lose out on? I'm assuming you're rooting for what amounts to a mist at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Dukes unhappy because he's stuck behind Chubb. How do you think he'll feel stuck behind Bell who never comes off the field. Seems like there would be a lot of drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Just now, flgreen said: Dukes unhappy because he's stuck behind Chubb. How do you think he'll feel stuck behind Bell who never comes off the field. Seems like there would be a lot of drama. He's unhappy bc they signed Hunt after drafting Chubb last year. He sees the writing on the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Who do you like in the sixth round that you're afraid to lose out on? I'm assuming you're rooting for what amounts to a mist at this point. Ok, I'll play. Browns are obviously not hesitant to trade guys. How about Lee for Johnson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 I like Duke, but shouldn't Bell's backup be more of a thumper who can actually run the ball on 1st & 2nd down on occasion? If we add Duke we'll still need to add another RB who can run between the tackles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, flgreen said: Dukes unhappy because he's stuck behind Chubb. How do you think he'll feel stuck behind Bell who never comes off the field. Seems like there would be a lot of drama. Yeah, but he'd be out of those dreadful Brown and Orange abominations and into our beautiful new ones. Do not underestimate the appeal of looking good. But yeah, he might be carrying a Bell voodoo doll around (dressed in our beautiful new uniforms) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said: I like Duke, but shouldn't Bell's backup be more of a thumper who can actually run the ball on 1st & 2nd down on occasion? If we add Duke we'll still need to add another RB who can run between the tackles. So when this new guy is in, it's definitely a running play. Sure, you can play action but can't Bell be on the field for that? Just spitballing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: So when this new guy is in, it's definitely a running play. Sure, you can play action but can't Bell be on the field for that? Just spitballing here. Bell isn't superman, he needs a break sometimes. I'm not talking about adding a completely one-dimensional guy. I'm just saying that Bell's biggest strength is as a pass-catcher. Adding a 2nd pass catcher to be his primary backup would be a bit redundant, no? Again, not opposed to adding Duke at all for the right price (conditional 6th or 7th), but our RB room wouldn't be complete by adding him. We'd still need an upgrade over McGuire/Cannon for 1st and 2nd down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, section314 said: Ok, I'll play. Browns are obviously not hesitant to trade guys. How about Lee for Johnson? Are you really playing here? I think you're cheating. But I'll play. No. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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