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Good morning everybody! I proposed this in the draft forum, didn't get a lot of attention. The Bengals appear like they're ready to move on from Daulton. They get our #3, we get the #11, #43, and Carlos Dunlop. At #11, either Sweat or Burns will still be there. We need to pray that there's a QB other than Murray that they're high on.

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Get ready for a repeat!! 

Creating threads because you want attention generally doesn’t work out well around here. Misspelling two different players’ names isn’t doing you any favors either. Also, your idea is terrible.

Shouldn't this be in the draft forum?

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14 minutes ago, genot said:

Good morning everybody! I proposed this in the draft forum, didn't get a lot of attention. The Bengals appear like they're ready to move on from Daulton. They get our #3, we get the #11, #43, and Carlos Dunlop. At #11, either Sweat or Burns will still be there. We need to pray that there's a QB other than Murray that they're high on.

Why would Jets want 30 year old Carlos Dunlop?    He is a 4-3 defense end who I guess you're going to ask play outside lb in 3-4 .     Didn't you try that crap already trying to play Sheldon Richardson at Olb. ( trying to put a square peg in a round hole) 

How about drafting a pass rushing Olb that fits the 3-4 defense than trying to take a player that isn't suited for the defense you play. ( not all 4-3 De, can play Olb in 3-4). 

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11 minutes ago, genot said:

Why's that.

Dunlap would cost the Bengals around 7 mil in bonus money to trade. They're not going to do that and he's worth maybe a 4th round pick. 

You want to trade down. I think most of us do. We can get an extra 2nd, 3rd and a 1st and 2nd next year. 

Let's do that, 

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Just now, dbatesman said:

Creating threads because you want attention generally doesn’t work out well around here. Misspelling two different players’ names isn’t doing you any favors either. 

Lol. What a wise a..Why is that trade down any less or more ridiculous than the other trade downs that have been talked about AD NAUSEUM  on this forum. If the Bengals are looking to move on from Andy Dalton, and they like a Lock or Haskins, than that trade makes sense for both teams. As much sense, as any other trade proposed, i'll say that.

 

7 minutes ago, Raideraholic said:

Why would Jets want 30 year old Carlos Dunlop?    He is a 4-3 defense end who I guess you're going to ask play outside lb in 3-4 .     Didn't you try that crap already trying to play Sheldon Richardson at Olb. ( trying to put a square peg in a round hole) 

How about drafting a pass rushing Olb that fits the 3-4 defense than trying to take a player that isn't suited for the defense you play. ( not all 4-3 De, can play Olb in 3-4). 

Dunlop can play in a 3-4. And it gives Gregg Williams more options on what kind of front he wants to play.  I said, with their pick, we draft Sweat or Burns. If we trade down with the Redskins, which has been proposed, the likelihood of them being there goes down

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3 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

Did you do any research on this or just pull the idea out of your ass?

I think we both know the answer to your question!

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3 minutes ago, New York Mick said:

Did you do any research on this or just pull the idea out of your ass?

Research. I'm suggesting a trade down. What we get in return, is out of our hands. Wasting an hour out of my day to figure out proper compensation, is pretty futile, considering Mac, and every other GM in the league, isn't paying attention to any forum posts, of anyone, anywhere.

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11 minutes ago, IndianaJet said:

Shouldn't this be in the draft forum?

This time of year, draft discussion is Jets discussion. On May 1, when you draft nerds wanna start talking about the 2020 draft, you can take that back to your little forum and leave the rest of us alone. 

35 minutes ago, genot said:

Good morning everybody! I proposed this in the draft forum, didn't get a lot of attention. The Bengals appear like they're ready to move on from Daulton. They get our #3, we get the #11, #43, and Carlos Dunlop. At #11, either Sweat or Burns will still be there. We need to pray that there's a QB other than Murray that they're high on.

Your suggested compensation is horrendously low and I would hate Maccagnan even more if he accepted such a crap deal. 

And at #11, I'm probably looking OL over defense unless someone rated very highly dropped. 

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This is such a terrible trade, and if this is all we would get in return, I would gladly stay put at 3 and pick an elite player whether that be Bosa, Williams, or Allen.  Getting any of those 3 is better than this outcome IMO.

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2 minutes ago, genot said:

Research. I'm suggesting a trade down. What we get in return, is out of our hands. Wasting an hour out of my day to figure out proper compensation, is pretty futile, considering Mac, and every other GM in the league, isn't paying attention to any forum posts, of anyone, anywhere.

Wonderful 

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Nobody gives a flying f___ about your or anyone else's proposed trade, ever. Call FAN at 3AM, who ever is the over night guy has hours to fill. 

Mock drafts if well-considered, only moderately more interesting  than belly button lint and fromunda cheese. 

Trading for an overpaid 30+ defender is close to the silliest thing ever proposed here. 

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1 minute ago, chrisfaceoff said:

This is such a terrible trade, and if this is all we would get in return, I would gladly stay put at 3 and pick an elite player whether that be Bosa, Williams, or Allen.  Getting any of those 3 is better than this outcome IMO.

What we get in return is up to the respective GM's. I'm suggesting a trading partner that hasn't been mentioned. The Redskins have been mentioned. I don't like that because the likelihood of an impact edge rusher being there at #15, goe's down. Too far of a drop down.

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25 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Creating threads because you want attention generally doesn’t work out well around here. Misspelling two different players’ names isn’t doing you any favors either. Also, your idea is terrible.

You're a real swell guy. Lol

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2 minutes ago, Bugg said:

Nobody gives a flying f___ about your or anyone else's proposed trade, ever. Call FAN at 3AM, who ever is the over night guy has hours to fill. 

Mock drafts if well-considered, only moderately more interesting  than belly button lint and fromunda cheese. 

Trading for an overpaid 30+ defender is close to the silliest thing ever proposed here. 

Crawl over here Bugg, i'd like to step on you. The purpose of the thread was to introduce a new trade down partner for the Jet's. What the compensation is, as listed by a forum poster[any forum poster}, doesn't mean jack s...

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2 minutes ago, KRL said:

CIN is a definite trade down possibility but the compensation would have to be
at minimum:

- CIN #1
- CIN #2
- CIN #3
- CIN 2020 #1

They have to pay for the 8 players we miss on AND the "QB premium"

Thank you. I suggested a new trading partner for the Jet's. What the compensation is, would be up to the respective GM's, not me. My thread was a starting point. Some people like to attack, though. Guess the Viagra has stopped working for them.

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8 minutes ago, KRL said:

CIN is a definite trade down possibility but the compensation would have to be
at minimum:

- CIN #1
- CIN #2
- CIN #3
- CIN 2020 #1

They have to pay for the 8 players we miss on AND the "QB premium"

If we can get that in a trade, i'd love it. I brought Dunlop's name up, because if Williams want's to run multiple front's, then we need another player, who can play with his hand in the dirt, in a 3-4 or 4-3.

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This trade proposal is obviously horrible, but one thing that’s strange is that there is zero buzz on Haskins since his Pro Day. It doesn’t sound like he’s that great a prospect that anyone feels the need to trade up for him, especially at the cost of future picks when the QBs in next two drafts are (allegedly) far superior to the ones in this draft. Worst case scenario for the Giants, Bengals, Redskins, etc is that they flop this year and are in position to draft Herbert, Fromm, or Tua in twelve months, or, better yet, suck for two years and be in position to draft Trevor Lawrence.

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37 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Creating threads because you want attention generally doesn’t work out well around here. Misspelling two different players’ names isn’t doing you any favors either. Also, your idea is terrible.

Yeah, but besides all that. 

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12 minutes ago, genot said:

Crawl over here Bugg, i'd like to step on you. The purpose of the thread was to introduce a new trade down partner for the Jet's. What the compensation is, as listed by a forum poster[any forum poster}, doesn't mean jack s...

What;s with the possessive? 

No GM is trading for an over 30 defender with a huge contract. His contract is a disaster for the Bengals and untradeable. 

If you had some insight, fine. But you're throwing sh!t at the wall. 

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Just now, T0mShane said:

This trade proposal is obviously horrible, but one thing that’s strange is that there is zero buzz on Haskins since his Pro Day. It doesn’t sound like he’s that great a prospect that anyone feels the need to trade up for him, especially at the cost of future picks when the QBs in next two drafts are (allegedly) far superior to the ones in this draft. Worst case scenario for the Giants, Bengals, Redskins, etc is that they flop this year and are in position to draft Herbert, Fromm, or Tua in twelve months, or, better yet, suck for two years and be in position to draft Trevor Lawrence.

Lol. My thread WASN'T about compensation, it was about a trade down partner that hasn't been mentioned. I agree, about the QB's in this draft. Nobody might want to trade up for the QB's in this draft. If they do, the Bengals makes the most sense to me.

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This post was fine where it was.  Bringing it here fairly exposes it to this kind of criticism or outright ridicule.  You were rolling with it, which is fine, but you did propose a vastly underwhelming return value for our pick which is going to bring out the wolves. 

To put it in perspective, you are valuing Dunlap as a high second rounder if the trade was even at parity.  In reality, you're at least 300 points short of that if you even put him as a 3rd round value, which is probably far too generous.  Considering the premium we paid last year, this trade is untenable.  Add in next year's 1st and it starts to look balanced.

And CIN has been linked to possibly trading up for Haskins in a few places, but I think it's more about Haskins and the Ohio connection than any actual possibility they would do it.  Certainly if he fell to 11, he'd be in consideration, but they appear to be all in on OLine or LB.  Nothing wrong with proposing something but you've been here long enough to know this place isn't going to pat you on the back just for saying it.

If nothing good is coming out of it, I suggest you move on rather than keep escalating.  We're too close to the draft now to start hurling insults and such.

 

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9 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This trade proposal is obviously horrible, but one thing that’s strange is that there is zero buzz on Haskins since his Pro Day. It doesn’t sound like he’s that great a prospect that anyone feels the need to trade up for him, especially at the cost of future picks when the QBs in next two drafts are (allegedly) far superior to the ones in this draft. Worst case scenario for the Giants, Bengals, Redskins, etc is that they flop this year and are in position to draft Herbert, Fromm, or Tua in twelve months, or, better yet, suck for two years and be in position to draft Trevor Lawrence.

Is the lack of noise that, simply teams taking a step back and considering if he's worth trading up for. Think the key to everything is what the Cards are going to do. If they're trading Rosen and going with Murray, That starts a whole lot of  Rube Goldberg stuff into motion. Giants have to be right there. 

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5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

This trade proposal is obviously horrible, but one thing that’s strange is that there is zero buzz on Haskins since his Pro Day. It doesn’t sound like he’s that great a prospect that anyone feels the need to trade up for him, especially at the cost of future picks when the QBs in next two drafts are (allegedly) far superior to the ones in this draft. Worst case scenario for the Giants, Bengals, Redskins, etc is that they flop this year and are in position to draft Herbert, Fromm, or Tua in twelve months, or, better yet, suck for two years and be in position to draft Trevor Lawrence.

We need the twitter-bots to pump the rumor that the Raiders want Haskins @ #4. That's the Jets' best hope for a trade.  

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Just now, Bugg said:

What;s with the possessive? 

No GM is trading for an over 30 defender witha huge contract. His contract is a disaster for the Bengals and untradeable. 

If you had some insight, fine. But you're throwing sh!t at the wall. 

I brought up Dunlop for a specific reason. If Gregg Williams wants to do, what he's always done, and play multiple fronts, we need more lineman who can play. It wasn't a straight up trade proposal. I expect any GM, would get as much in return as possible. Mac is going to look at a poster's trade proposal and offer that up with no negotiating. It was just a suggestion on a trade partner that hasn't really been mentioned.

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47 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

Creating threads because you want attention generally doesn’t work out well around here. Misspelling two different players’ names isn’t doing you any favors either. Also, your idea is terrible.

Those are the European spellings. 

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5 minutes ago, nycdan said:

This post was fine where it was.  Bringing it here fairly exposes it to this kind of criticism or outright ridicule.  You were rolling with it, which is fine, but you did propose a vastly underwhelming return value for our pick which is going to bring out the wolves. 

To put it in perspective, you are valuing Dunlap as a high second rounder if the trade was even at parity.  In reality, you're at least 300 points short of that if you even put him as a 3rd round value, which is probably far too generous.  Considering the premium we paid last year, this trade is untenable.  Add in next year's 1st and it starts to look balanced.

And CIN has been linked to possibly trading up for Haskins in a few places, but I think it's more about Haskins and the Ohio connection than any actual possibility they would do it.  Certainly if he fell to 11, he'd be in consideration, but they appear to be all in on OLine or LB.  Nothing wrong with proposing something but you've been here long enough to know this place isn't going to pat you on the back just for saying it.

If nothing good is coming out of it, I suggest you move on rather than keep escalating.  We're too close to the draft now to start hurling insults and such.

 

It was just a starting point. The thread was more about a trading partner that hasn't really been mentioned. I'm not the GM. Mac, or any other GM, is going top get as much in return as possible. People take themselves way too seriously. What we say has no effect on how GM's assess their team and the draft.

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