Villain's Final 2019 Mock Draft. W/trades. R 1-4

[jetstream23]

Dillard / Bradbury would be a nice 1-2 punch for OLine ala Brick and Mangold over a decade ago, but I still have a hard time ignoring Edge thru 2 rounds. The offense now has a “weapon” in Bell, a difference maker who opponents need to gameplan for. Our D doesn’t have that. We have several strong, capable guys at LB, Safety, DT...but no true weapon that can really turn a game on its head. That’s what a stud Edge rusher would do for us. A guy like Allen or Bosa makes you almost feel like you’re on offense when you’re actually on D. We wouldn’t be just trying to force 3-and-outs, we’d be attacking and melting an opponents gameplan by disrupting them, forcing turnovers, pushing them out of FG range with a sack, etc. I really want a weapon....a weapon for the defense. 

[Adoni Beast]

9 hours ago, Villain The Foe said:

We should have done that before we traded up to draft a QB. 

Our oline depth is probably league worst, our starting RT ripped his knee up week 17, we have no Center, but our LT is competent. 

Im not going into the season with that Oline. 

We drafted a franchise QB for a reason. Unless we want him to end up like Andrew Luck the past few years. 

There's nothing more important. If we score points then we can make the opponent more predictable on offense. If we have a pass rusher but we cant score points because our QB is constantly getting put on his back or is hurt or a starter gets injured and we literally have no replacement, then it wont matter the pass rusher. 

Sam Darnold and the offense is more important to me than anything else. That simply will not change. 

I’m definitely in agreement with this. I do think with a trade down we can fortify our pass rush and OL at the end of this draft.

If we trade back into the top 10, Burns and or Sweat will still be there. Adding a 2nd rounder can set us up perfectly to fill out the OL. Guard is very deep in this draft. By position for each round our draft should look like this:

1st: EDGE

2nd: C

3rd: WR   3rd: RG or TE

4th: CB or RG or TE

Everything after should be OL or CB depth. We need as much young blood and competition at those spots as possible.

I think Winters will have a bounce back season with a presumed man blocking scheme. His contract is up and his successor shoukd be drafted within the first 4 rounds this draft. Shell’s injury wasn’t so bad. He’ll be ready for camp, depth at his spot can be spent in rounds 5/6/7.

 

 

[RobR]

On 4/7/2019 at 7:34 PM, Villain The Foe said:

You've demonstrated nothing. No demontration of that WS offense and all of this 2 second passing. 

Which I can tell anyone right now if they want to see Dillard block for way more than 2-2.5 seconds as well as following the defender around the back side of the QB while playing in the snow, go watch the WS vs U. Washington game. 

If you can show something, then I wont miss it. Right now all you've shown was the ability to partially read quotes and make claims. 

 

Here's that Washington game. 

 

After watching this tape of him I absolutely love him. Great feet, great recovery and hand placement and he can work the second level. I could easily see him as the first Tackle off of the board. He has a tendency too lean but they all do at this stage of the game.

Ironically his arms are even shorter than Jonah Williams who is another player I see playing the LT position in the NFL.

I'll have too dig in to some more tape before the draft because I like what I saw.

[Dcat]

7 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Dillard / Bradbury would be a nice 1-2 punch for OLine ala Brick and Mangold over a decade ago, 

There are a good number of Center prospects that we dont need to draft one as early as Bradbury. 

I get a kick out of fanspeak and here's one I did:

 I did a mock and traded 3 to Green Bay for 12, 30 and 44.  Drafted Jawaan Taylor at 12, Lindstrom at 30.  That's a nice 1-2 punch.  Traded pick 44 to the Eagles for 53 & 57.  Drafted Hakeem Butler at 53 and C Elgton Jenkins at 57.  (I also like McCoy who'd be a fine 3rd rd pick for center.)  I converted the #3 pick into two 1's and two 2's and built a brand new Oline with the #2 rated OT, G and C.  Not to mention getting a rather large weapon for Darnold that would absolutely blow us away and fill seats in that stadium.  I love fanspeak.  It's like fantastic porn.  Things that will never happen but just should.

If Mac could do this, I'd... I'd....  I don't know, but I'd do almost anything.

 

[varjet]

By not signing an edge in FA the Jets are stuck having to draft one high.  It’s better value financially but makes it harder to build the line. 

Bradbury is getting drafted in the first round, and Jenkins and McCoy in the second, even if low second.  The Rams, Chiefs and Broncos all need a center. 

[Adoni Beast]

4 hours ago, varjet said:

By not signing an edge in FA the Jets are stuck having to draft one high.  It’s better value financially but makes it harder to build the line. 

Bradbury is getting drafted in the first round, and Jenkins and McCoy in the second, even if low second.  The Rams, Chiefs and Broncos all need a center. 

If we’re lucky enough to trade back and remain in the top 10, Sweat and or Burns should be there.

Jenkins or McCoy can be had with our newly aquired 2nd. Otherwise we’d have to really hope one falls to the 3rd. Better players at more premium positions have fallen further, so who knows.

[Villain The Foe]

This just came out an hour ago from PFF, talking about Andy Isabella, and mentioning exactly what I've been saying regarding now the senior bowl essentially pigeonholed him into the slot position (though he still had a very good probowl) given that he spent the majority of this time on the outside, albeit not by much. 

They also mentioned similar things as I stated regarding him being another Tyreek Hill. Dude is a weapon if schemed correctly. His height in today's NFL isnt not demerit when having his type of skill. 

They actually have him ranked as a 1st round/2nd round grade. 

Like I said, taking him in the 3rd round isnt so terrible based on his production and ability. His height is irrelevant. 

[RobR]

47 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

This just came out an hour ago from PFF, talking about Andy Isabella, and mentioning exactly what I've been saying regarding now the senior bowl essentially pigeonholed him into the slot position (though he still had a very good probowl) given that he spent the majority of this time on the outside, albeit not by much. 

They also mentioned similar things as I stated regarding him being another Tyreek Hill. Dude is a weapon if schemed correctly. His height in today's NFL isnt not demerit when having his type of skill. 

They actually have him ranked as a 1st round/2nd round grade. 

Like I said, taking him in the 3rd round isnt so terrible based on his production and ability. His height is irrelevant. 

I'll make this as simple as I can. He played slot in the Senior Bowl BECAUSE that is where NFL teams wanted him to play because they view him as a slot receiver at the next level.

If NFL teams WANTED to see him play outside, he would have played outside at the Senior Bowl. The fact that he didn't shows teams and scouts view him playing inside at the next level. It's as simple as that.

[sec101row23]

31 minutes ago, RobR said:

I'll make this as simple as I can. He played slot in the Senior Bowl BECAUSE that is where NFL teams wanted him to play because they view him as a slot receiver at the next level.

If NFL teams WANTED to see him play outside, he would have played outside at the Senior Bowl. The fact that he didn't shows teams and scouts view him playing inside at the next level. It's as simple as that.

Plus he was pushed around and couldn’t even come close to beating press man coverage during the drills either.   Then he had that funny false step when guys were playing off of him.  I remember Jeremiah mentioning the wasted movement.   

[FidelioJet]

On 4/7/2019 at 6:34 AM, Villain The Foe said:

Leo Williams was the safest pick in the draft, and all we got is another safe defensive player.

Im not looking for safe, im looking for results.

Also, im not waiting for our OT to be a vacant black hole in order to address it. That's what we did with Ferguson, and it was wrong. We had atleast 1 or 2 opportunities to draft his replacement before he even retired. BUT, because it's offensive line and it isnt sexy, we ended up with an unreliable Clady, Beachum and our below average backup. We have an average but injury prone LT and a RT that ripped his knee up during the last game of the season. 

Sam Darnold is the franchise. Im acting as if he's the franchise. I dont care about safe defensive players. I care about keeping Dam Darnold upright, scoring touchdowns and having a bend dont break defense. 

Every single season Jets fans make up reasons not to do this, yet they fail tonsee that every single season the Oline is a problem. This should solve any issues for a couple years when we'll have to draft or pick up guards in free agency. 

Im not playing games when it comes to Sam Darnold. Someone needs to take it seriously and stop relegating this to 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks.

 

What amazes me is that this isn't every Jet fans view.

We finally have, what we believe to be, a legitimate franchise QB.  The only thing the Jets should care about right now is Sam Darnold.  Getting him weapons and protecting him -  NOTHING else should matter.

 

 

[Beerfish]

I like going oline very much.

HATE HATE HATE the safety pick.

I think Isabella is being overrate by some people in here.

I don't know about the edge guy but will take your word for it.

[Villain The Foe]

On 4/9/2019 at 11:55 PM, RobR said:

I'll make this as simple as I can. He played slot in the Senior Bowl BECAUSE that is where NFL teams wanted him to play because they view him as a slot receiver at the next level.

If NFL teams WANTED to see him play outside, he would have played outside at the Senior Bowl. The fact that he didn't shows teams and scouts view him playing inside at the next level. It's as simple as that.

Hmm...I think Ill take PFF's word for it given that they're saying the same thing that I said, yet they also have actual credibility and clout in this space. ?

[Villain The Foe]

8 hours ago, FidelioJet said:

What amazes me is that this isn't every Jet fans view.

We finally have, what we believe to be, a legitimate franchise QB.  The only thing the Jets should care about right now is Sam Darnold.  Getting him weapons and protecting him -  NOTHING else should matter.

 

 

I've said it for years. Generally, you cannot trust our shortsightedness as Jets fans. We will agree with the shenanigans and illogic in the offseason, then want to call for the GM's head throughout November and December.

How do Jets fans bang the table for 1 and a half years to get Sam, and as soon as we draft him we treat him like the rest? We can see the same draft philosophy 100 times and it'll still go over our heads.

I will bet money that if we do draft a pass rusher at 3 that it wont be enough. Once we move on from Trumaine Johnson next season and we're once again picking in the top half of the draft because we cant score points, watch how the narrative will be for the Jets to draft the top CB in the class in the 1st round and folks will once again put Sam and the offense on the back burner. 

Broken f'ing record every offseason.

[Villain The Foe]

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On 4/8/2019 at 11:59 PM, jetstream23 said:

Dillard / Bradbury would be a nice 1-2 punch for OLine ala Brick and Mangold over a decade ago, but I still have a hard time ignoring Edge thru 2 rounds.

Honestly, it is hard. I wouldn't want to pass on Bosa if he's available, but this is what happens when you ignore the Oline since 2006 yet keep drafting QB's every couple years. The fact that we drafted Sam as the franchise means that he's priority.

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The offense now has a “weapon” in Bell, a difference maker who opponents need to gameplan for.

 Bell rarely seen 8 in the box because the Steelers also had legit weapons on the outside, for example, the best WR in the game, along with #2 WR's that would be #1 on the Jets.

Bell will see plenty more 8 in the box in comparison, and if our Oline isnt up for the task then....

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Our D doesn’t have that. We have several strong, capable guys at LB, Safety, DT...but no true weapon that can really turn a game on its head. That’s what a stud Edge rusher would do for us. A guy like Allen or Bosa makes you almost feel like you’re on offense when you’re actually on D. We wouldn’t be just trying to force 3-and-outs, we’d be attacking and melting an opponents gameplan by disrupting them, forcing turnovers, pushing them out of FG range with a sack, etc. I really want a weapon....a weapon for the defense. 

The bottom line is this. Our defense currently has more talent than our offense. The defense has atleast one probowler at every level of the defense, from the secondary, to linebackers, to Dlinemen.

The offense needs talent and most of all balance. 

I dont know how many times this needs to be said, but if you cannot score, you cannot win. We need to stop drafting QB's and then give them sh*t for an offense to work with. Continue fixing the Oline. Every Jets QB since 2015 has ended up on the injury report. Sam is simply more important than any of this. Set Sam up first. It wasnt like this team had zero pressure. Get creative in defense but soldify that offense now.

If we're going to continue drafting defense in the 1st round then why even bother with an offensive minded coach? 

I care more about weapons on offense and outscoring opponents and not leaving it up to a defense and a rookie pass rusher to get a sack to knock them out of fg range. How about the offense score more TD's instead?

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[Apache 51]

On 4/6/2019 at 9:53 PM, Villain The Foe said:

Sam Darnold is too important for me to sit and wait until the 3rd round for a day 2/day 3 talent. 

I would get him the best OT and C talent possible, be criticized for it immediately after, but be thanked for it over the next decade. 

 

Rinse and repeat.

[BklynJetsFan85]

Trading out of the #3 spot with the Giants for their 6th pick and their 2nd round pick. Trade down from the #6 spot with the Falcons for their 14th pick and their 2nd round pick. 
Round 1. OT Andre Dillard: Washington St. I still believe that he's the best pass protecting tackle in the draft, I also believe that the turn of this Jets organization is to not just draft a QB, but protect him with young players that he can grow with. Dillard will be Sams blindside protector for the next decade+
Round 2. C Garrett Bradbury: N.C. State. I follow up drafting the best OT in the draft IMO with drafting the best Center in the draft IMO. In terms of protection, we've made a MAJOR upgrade to the Oline for both Darnold and the running game. It's finally done and these clear needs will not be so pressing in the future. Not sexy picks but very necessary. Protect the franchise, and I've done that with the first two picks premium talent. 
Round 2. Free Safety Nasir Adderley: Delaware. I am a huge Juan Thornhill fan, but I dont believe that he'll be around by the mid round and a very close 2nd to Thornhill is Delaware's Adderley. This is a "true" FS that can roam the backfield and has solid hands to create turnovers as well as enough pop to hit defenders and create incomplete passes. 
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Round 3. DE/EDGE Ben Banogu: TCU. Respectable production and is a sleeper at EDGE in this draft. Had 18 tackles for loss and 8.5 sacks during his final season. Two things that stands out with Banogu is his athleticism and explosiveness. To take a moment and compare with projected top-5 talent Josh Allen
Speed/athleticism
40 yard dash: Allen 4.63/ Banogu 4.58
3 cone: Allen 7.15/ Banogu 7.02
Explosiveness 
Broad Jump: Allen 9.10/ Banogu 11.2 (A combine record for Dlinemen. Elite explosion)
Vertical: Allen DNP/ Banogu 40 inch vert. (Also best for Dlinemen)
There is a reason why Banogu is a 3rd rounder. He's 12lbs lighter than a guy like Josh Allen and he's suspect in the running game, probably because of his size. What he lacks there he does make up in pressure and a high motor. He's also a very patient player, meaning that he also will allow a play to reveal itself and then be there to make the stop. So Jet sweeps, options and reverses tend not to fake out Banogu, very discipline. From what I've also seen, he does play better standing up than with his hand in the dirt. 
Round 3. WR Andy Isabella: UMass. Highly productive for a 5-8 WR. Dont let his size fool you as just some generic slot receiver. He has great hands, track speed and ball tracking ability. Caught over 100 passes, 1,700 yards and 14 TD's playing on the outside. Was also a Biletnikoff finalist for best receiver in the nation. #WayneChrebet2.0
Round 4. CB Essang Bassey: Wake Forest. Im just going to say it. IMO Dude is one of the best CB's in the draft. I wont even call him "a sleeper", I'll just call it "complete disrespect". Dude is a ball hawking Corner with great technique. Aggressive but not wreckless, and I would love to see him added to a young secondary with Adams, Adderley, Maye and Nickerson. Also, if all works out well, we should be able to move on from Trumaine Johnson and be set with Nickerson and Bassey in 2020 
 
 
That's my draft. Lets see what it looks like in 3 years. 

I like Dillard (if Jawaan Taylor is there - like him better), Bradbury - don’t hate him, just rank him 3rd behind McCoy and Jenkins, don’t like the safety pick at all, I feel CB is a much bigger need (good safety, maybe best available player - but we need a corner much more imo), the corner you drafted - don’t hate him, I like Jordan Brown more as a sleeper. Love Isabella. No other strong feelings towards rest of draft


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[BklynJetsFan85]

I like Dillard (if Jawaan Taylor is there - like him better), Bradbury - don’t hate him, just rank him 3rd behind McCoy and Jenkins, don’t like the safety pick at all, I feel CB is a much bigger need (good safety, maybe best available player - but we need a corner much more imo), the corner you drafted - don’t hate him, I like Jordan Brown more as a sleeper. Love Isabella. No other strong feelings towards rest of draft
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Also did Bassey declare for the draft or he coming out next year?


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[Villain The Foe]

2 hours ago, BklynJetsFan85 said:

Also did Bassey declare for the draft or he coming out next year?


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Next year. I learned that after the fact