Ty Montgomery to Jets

[slats]

1 hour ago, Skeptable said:

Mcguire is the backup to bell... Ty is wr/rb. Cannon is pure speed who they hope can return kicks and punts... All 4 make the team.. 

They're far from done at RB with Henderson, maybe a draft pick, probably an UDFA, and then a look over other teams cuts all involved. Montgomery seems to be an upgrade over McGuire to backup Bell, IMHO. Gase will try to figure out something to do with Cannon, but the only guys who are "his" so far are Bell and Montgomery. Everyone else is fighting for a roster spot. 

[win4ever]

I think this is a Gase signing, kinda reminds me of Albert Wilson signing last year actually, mostly a short screen specialist but also someone that can create match up issues.  I think with Jalen Hurd coming in for a visit as well, they were looking for guys that might be jack of a few trades, rather than pigeonholed into one position.  

It'll be interesting to see how they handle him.  I'm not too worried about the back up RB positions because we can't prospect hug everyone with potential.   Bell/Montgomery/McGuire and maybe Cannon should be more than enough.  

 

 

[Rolloffjet]

2 minutes ago, win4ever said:

I think this is a Gase signing, kinda reminds me of Albert Wilson signing last year actually, mostly a short screen specialist but also someone that can create match up issues.  I think with Jalen Hurd coming in for a visit as well, they were looking for guys that might be jack of a few trades, rather than pigeonholed into one position.  

It'll be interesting to see how they handle him.  I'm not too worried about the back up RB positions because we can't prospect hug everyone with potential.   Bell/Montgomery/McGuire and maybe Cannon should be more than enough.  

 

 

I think cannon fits the Albert Wilson role. super fast, good cuts, get him into space and he’s gone. Just has to get better with his hands 

[win4ever]

1 hour ago, Rolloffjet said:

I think cannon fits the Albert Wilson role. super fast, good cuts, get him into space and he’s gone. Just has to get better with his hands 

I don't think Cannon is a good receiver though, nor route runner.  He has the speed to be a monster in open space, but he has to get open, even on short routes.  Now he could be improved with the off-season so I have no idea what he'll be this year, just look how Enunwa progressed.  However. based on last year, he would have to make some major leaps to be considered a good receiver.  

[jamesr]

Holmes is guaranteed as the 11th practice squad guy bc of that international program. The Jets still need a backup that can be a traditional back though. I have a feeling McGuire may be on the move if they sign a back like Ware or draft one in the middle rounds.

Holmes is also a roster exemption in training camp, so doesn't take up a spot that could be used for anyone else.

The whole idea is to give these guys a chance, without penalizing the team.

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[Jetster]

I think Gase wants to duplicate what the Pats & Belichick have done up in New England. Bell is the starter & can do it all (Michel), TY can replace him & Gase does not have to change his play calling (White), McGuire can run between the tackles as long is he's not overused & can catch out of the backfield if necessary (Burkhead), and Cannon can be used in space (Patterson).

The Pats won the Super Bowl BECAUSE of their running game. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

2 hours ago, Jetster said:

I think Gase wants to duplicate what the Pats & Belichick have done up in New England. Bell is the starter & can do it all (Michel), TY can replace him & Gase does not have to change his play calling (White), McGuire can run between the tackles as long is he's not overused & can catch out of the backfield if necessary (Burkhead), and Cannon can be used in space (Patterson).

The Pats won the Super Bowl BECAUSE of their running game. 

Watching the Fish last year you could tell that Gase likes to be creative. He didn't force Parker into the lineup and managed to have some big games with slot WRs (Amendola), RBs out of the backfield (Drake) and gimmicky WRs (Albert Wilson/Jakeem Grant). 

So it makes sense that Gase wanted to bring in a swiss army knife type RB in Montgomery. His injury history is a concern but with Bell around I don't think he will get much wear and tear. Will be used all over the field and gives Darnold another weapon. 

Bell/Montgomery/Anderson/Enunwa/Crowder/Herndon is a very talented collection of pass catchers that each have unique skill sets and can each do some nice things after the catch. If the Oline can hold up, Darnold should be in for a nice year. 

[Losmeister]

16 hours ago, Stark said:

 

Both guys were 6th round picks. not surprising that a guy like (JAG) McGuire would be released after 2 seasons of weak performance. Cannon should get 1 season with Gase and see if he works out in a role

he already beats everybody downfield on punt coverage. 

now we need to see that speed put to use a couple times a game with the ball in his hands

[Losmeister]

15 hours ago, NYs Stepchild said:

I believe this was just the right amount of subtle to go over the heads of most here.

ie- people round here have shciity reading comprehension

[Jethead]

12 hours ago, BrickTamland said:

This definitely true

Freeman McNeil says hello.

[CTJetsFan]

12 hours ago, Paradis said:

I'm very aware of who Jones is, but nonetheless, GB had Jones suspended to start the season, and no established lead back all season... They insisted on rolling out Ty as their unimpressive 3rd down option... and then traded him... to a team where he was INACTIVE to finish off the season before seeing 0 snaps in the playoffs.  5 yards average? He average being a healthy scratch. 

Look i'm done. You guys like the move, great. good for y'all. I'll go back to being right about this stuff, and hoping one day the Front Office might figure out how to draft and build a roster.  

I get your points. Health has been a major issue with him the pat few years and he is a converted WR. I'm sure the Jets view him as a Swiss Army knife depth player. I'm sure we didn't spend a lot on him so I see no harm in taking a flyer.

You're right about the Jets' history of drafting RBs. Same goes for OL too but at least we drafted Nick & Brick. Slauson had a nice career too. Only 2 RBs I can think of that had any (albeit average/brief) success are Bilal and Shonn Greene. And that's across many years and multiple coaches and GMs.

 

[derp]

13 hours ago, Paradis said:

Yes, there was time 2 years ago when he still had some spark... and he could come in as a 3rd down back and shake things up... but since got knicked up in 2017, he's lost that spark. And we just paid a 3-down back handsomely. 

We need that lightning in a bottle guy / goal line banger. 

Marion Barber type. 

Re a Marion Barber type - don't you think bringing that guy onto the field tips your hand regarding playcalling? Unless the guy is an awesome pass protector and you're throwing out of that formation..and even so it still kind of tips your hand since teams know he's not likely a pass catching threat.

I feel like Gase wants to fill the roster with dudes who can do multiple things to make it harder on the defense.

[ChuckkieB]

Haven't read through this whole thread but my take on Montgomery is that he's been made of glass and would be comfortable with a more reliable backup to Bell.

[Losmeister]

6 pages on this. insanity.

bring back trhe matt rhule thread!

[PepPep]

16 hours ago, MDL_JET said:

Wasn't it just him being ridiculed for taking out the Kick off that resulted in the fumble and loss for them?

Yes. As far as I know thats the only negative about him. He is an aggressive returner and has done this kind of thing before. But Rodgers was pissed b/c he wanted a chance to win the game in the last seconds (fairly so). I can't really blame him though. He is a great returner and HE could have won the game or gotten Rodgers great field position if he saw a lane. The problem is that he fumbled. Had he not fumbled it would have been a non issue. 

Good pickup. He is a solid, versatile RB and would pair nicely with Bell. 

He should light a fire for McGuire to fight for the #2 job and put pressure on Cannon to stay on the roster. 

Fills a need on special teams as a returner. 

One more hole filled that does not need to be addressed late in the draft.   

[PepPep]

1 hour ago, CTJetsFan said:

You're right about the Jets' history of drafting RBs. Same goes for OL too but at least we drafted Nick & Brick. Slauson had a nice career too. Only 2 RBs I can think of that had any (albeit average/brief) success are Bilal and Shonn Greene. And that's across many years and multiple coaches and GMs.

To be fair- the last time the Jets drafted a RB outside of the 4th round was the aforementioned Greene in 2009 (Rd. 3), Lamont Jordan (2nd rd) in 2001 and of course Blair Thomas (Rd. 1) in 1990. So they haven't really invested anything more than a 4th in a RB (Bilal in 2011) for the past 9 years (and I'm confident it will be 10 years after this years draft). 

When you're using 4th and 6th round picks on RBs, odds are you aren't going to hit on a superstar.   

[flgreen]

Good signing.

Guys young, been productive as both a receiver, and RB.  Plays ST's.  Vet Min, $90,000 guaranteed.  The roles will be determined where they should be.  IN camp

LOL, what's all the whining about?  

[Jetster]

I paid attention to TY because I had him in 2017 in fantasy as my RB/WR at times since it was a PPR league. The dude has f*cking great hands & was open almost every time Rogers needed him out of the backfield but Rogers is a freaking gun slinger & you can only get him to play Brady ball for so long.

There were MANY, MANY times TY was wide open in the flat & Rogers was having none of it & was going mid & deep looking for big plays. Rogers & McCarthy didn't mesh because he comes from that WCO, take what you can & kill them with a million gashes. 

McCarthy in 2018 DEMANDED to run the ball, and TY is not a guy you give 20 carries to running between the tackles. He actually runs a bit high & exposed himself to big hits inside from LBs. He got cracked ribs, can you guys run & get hit with cracked ribs? Rogers is a gunslinger & McCarthy was an idiot. TY is a great addition for Sam to move the chains. Bell, TY, Eli & Cannon is a versatile group of backs for 60 minutes. Can't wait!

[Rangers9]

I haven’t heard anything lately on the health status of Bilal. He had a serious neck injury last season and not sure he is coming back. I haven’t heard any FA news on him with other teams. If healthy my preference would have been to keep him as the number 2. I actually liked Crowell, too. Nothing against this guy, though. I just like our guy better.

[Jet Nut]

15 hours ago, Paradis said:

what this team needs is a true COP back. Lamont Jordan for those who only have eyes for Green and White. Someone who can relieve Bell occasionally on 1st and 2nd downs..

Lamont Jordan was a change of pace back now? 

[NYs Stepchild]

1 hour ago, Losmeister said:

ie- people round here have shciity reading comprehension

The only player in the league that's refusing to take a knee. 

 

[Losmeister]

7 minutes ago, NYs Stepchild said:

The only player in the league that's refusing to take a knee. 

 

during game or before?

[sec101row23]

For vet minimum this isn’t bad, at least it means they can flush Cannon away and unless they invest a draft a pick at RB have Bell, Montgomery, McGuire and Henderson.  Not horrendous, but not inspiring.  

[Scoop24]

I bet cannon has better shot of making the roster over McGuire ..  McGuire offers nothing on special teams . cannon at very least is a damn good gunner . 

 

[HighPitch]

Cannon suck he cant catch for chit

[NYs Stepchild]

23 minutes ago, Losmeister said:

during game or before?

Yes. 

[Paradis]

58 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Lamont Jordan was a change of pace back now? 

now? He always was. He never had much success as a bell cow. His sweet spot was 10-12 touches to relieve Martin and close out drives. 

 

[Paradis]

2 hours ago, derp said:

Re a Marion Barber type - don't you think bringing that guy onto the field tips your hand regarding playcalling? Unless the guy is an awesome pass protector and you're throwing out of that formation..and even so it still kind of tips your hand since teams know he's not likely a pass catching threat.

I feel like Gase wants to fill the roster with dudes who can do multiple things to make it harder on the defense.

I understand your point -- and I too, wonder about what exactly Gase is looking for out of a running back.

• They drafted Ajayi, who as soon as he proved to be an effective runner, was traded
• They drafted a 3rd down deluxe back in K Drake, who also proved to be an effective between the tackles guy, and his use has been puzzling to say the least. 
• Frank Gore inexplicably got a ton of touches. 
• Damian Williams also flashed 3 down success in his system, but was not resigned

Anyway... to your other point about Marion Barber types... i think i could make a strong argument that designated 3rd down back like Montgomery presents a far more "tip your hand" risk than Barber who comes in on 1st and 2nd downs. That's what COP back is. Some backs are just better with fewer touches. More explosive or punishing in limited action. 

I would vote for Dexter Williams in that capacity for us.   

[Jet Nut]

43 minutes ago, Paradis said:

now? He always was. He never had much success as a bell cow. His sweet spot was 10-12 touches to relieve Martin and close out drives. 

 

Pretty much what every second back is.  Doesnt make him a change of pace back though.  If that's all it takes then TM is one too.  That's all. 

When I think change is pace I think someone with different strengths, different game.  LT and Green.  CMar and Leon Washington.  Otherwise just a 2nd back, which is fine.

[Paradis]

53 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

Pretty much what every second back is.  Doesnt make him a change of pace back though.  If that's all it takes then TM is one too.  That's all. 

When I think change is pace I think someone with different strengths, different game.  LT and Green.  CMar and Leon Washington.  Otherwise just a 2nd back, which is fine.

I disagree. I think you're just organizing your backs differently... Plus i don't think there's like "Dictionary" definitions of these guys....

To me, your 3rd down back is not much for running between the tackles, but have soft hands and can act as good safety valves. Some dudes are just flat out #2s.. like Greene. He wasn't athletically gifted, and besides his rookie year, really didn't stand out as over time. A #2 back to me is just a dude who isn't good enough to do much but be insurance. Hold that spot until someone else who's better comes along. a COP back could be a closer like Barber, or a finesse back like Coleman was to Freeman. Depends on who your starter is... but they don't tend to be as effective with 20+ touches over time. Powell probably fit that bill for us. He was not place holder at #2, but a COP option who was always effective at 10-12 touches... but always fell apart at 20. 

[CanadaSteve]

20 hours ago, MDL_JET said:

Anddddd another Mac pick soon on it's way out. 

Yeah, a fourth round RB and a 6th round RB, where the success rate for RB's by round is 11 percent in the 4th and 6 percent in the 6th. 

But hey, THIS one is ALL on Mac. 

[CanadaSteve]

19 hours ago, Stark said:

Cut McGuire

Draft Benny Snell Jr.

 

NOPE.....By the time Bell's contract is up, he would need a new contract.

I would give Bell at least one year, see what he has, and then start considering drafting RB's next year or the one after.  

[derp]

1 hour ago, Paradis said:

I understand your point -- and I too, wonder about what exactly Gase is looking for out of a running back.

• They drafted Ajayi, who as soon as he proved to be an effective runner, was traded
• They drafted a 3rd down deluxe back in K Drake, who also proved to be an effective between the tackles guy, and his use has been puzzling to say the least. 
• Frank Gore inexplicably got a ton of touches. 
• Damian Williams also flashed 3 down success in his system, but was not resigned

Anyway... to your other point about Marion Barber types... i think i could make a strong argument that designated 3rd down back like Montgomery presents a far more "tip your hand" risk than Barber who comes in on 1st and 2nd downs. That's what COP back is. Some backs are just better with fewer touches. More explosive or punishing in limited action. 

I would vote for Dexter Williams in that capacity for us.   

I do get what you're saying. Just think the NFL is going so pass heavy - figure the league was 57/43 pass/run and the Dolphins were 55/45 last year, even the Jets were 56/44- that running backs need to be factors in the passing game to not tip your hand.

You can run Montgomery (granted I think Montgomery probably doesn't even make the team based on his talent level and contract structure unless they have a very specific vision that involves him splitting otu some) or any small back during the limited snaps they're in the game - he'll hold up for 5-10 carries - but if Shonn Greene comes in (extreme example) you know they're likely running the ball. Chris Ivory is probably as far on the limited in the passing game spectrum as you can go in my opinion.

My ideal is probably someone in the Darren Sproles area. I'm sure there's someone I'm missing. But functionally a gadget guy who's big play capable on limited touches but won't hold up all game.

[Scoop24]

2 hours ago, HighPitch said:

Cannon suck he cant catch for chit

And yet he had 17 catches on 25 targets. 

[HighPitch]

17 of 25 is 68%

 

cannon drops 1/3 passes

cannon drops 32% of balls thrown

Let me know what strain you guys are smoking so too can get high