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58 minutes ago, JoJoTownsell1 said:

 

All those scouts were gone as they were from previous regimes.  None of them were going to be back with the Raiders.( Mayock has his own guys from around the league- will build the scouting staff with his guys).

Mike Mayock was proven  right because one of those scouts leaked to Ian Rapoport.    He doesn't want anyone knowing his thought process on any of the prospects.

Lets see how M Mayock does in the draft versus The Jets GM.

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It's .going to be interesting to see J Gruden , Paul Guenther-Raider Dc, and M Mayock work together.    Last year the Raiders really didn't follow the scouts .    J Gruden picked the players on offense, and Paul Guenther picked the players he wanted for his defense.      

Last year defensive haul might go down as one of the best the Raiders have had in sometime  .Dt Pj  Hall, De Arden Key , DT M Hurst , and CB Nick Nelson.

 

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43 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Imagine defending Gruden if/when he gets pump-faked out of his shoes for multiple firsts by Steve Keim and Kliff Kingsbury.

Yea just like Mayock got taken to cleaners in the Antonio Brown trade.  Everyone thought they would have to give up one of their first rounders.   A third and a fifth was highway robbery on the Raiders part.   They will trade back somewhere in the draft to recoup those picks.       No team taking advantage of the Raiders. ( very sharp mind)

I like the  job Mayock has done in free agency.   Improve the roster at most every position, and still has four of the top 35 picks to play in the draft.    It's Mayock time.

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37 minutes ago, section314 said:

The Raiders(Gruden and Mayock) from now till the draft is over, with the cameras allowed in the war room during the 3 days of the draft, should be this years Hard Knocks. It would be must see TV.😁

M Mayock will not let any Tv cameras in the draft room. There are like 10 teams letting Tv in their draft room, and the Raiders aren't one of them.

Have a chuckle now but we will compare how both teams did in this  years draft when it's all over. Let's see whose laughing than.  

The next GM of the Jets - Mel Kiper .  Can't beat them try to follow another teams lead.

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1 hour ago, choon328 said:

This move isn't really odd. Typically only 3 or 4 people within an organization get to see the final draft board. Usually scouts do not get to see the final draft board. This news is meaningless.

I'm not going to give the Raiders credit for the amount of picks they have. They traded away a #1 WR and the best pass rusher in the NFL to acquire those picks. The chances any of those picks amount to what they gave up is really low. 

Let's see they gave up that number 1 Wr ( A Cooper) and replaced him with Antonio Brown.  ( guess that was a downgrade right) .

Yes the Raiders traded their best player on defense and best pass rusher K Mack.   As good as Mack was he never elevated the defense.   Yes they probably don't find a player as good a pass rusher as Mack.    Instead of having one elite rusher , they will have four pretty good ones. They use that pick to pick get a top CB to team with G Conley- developing into a shutdown CB.

Best fit for the Raiders defense is De Montez Sweat  .( my guess who their Dc would prefer)  Mayock is best player available guy - won't pass on Q Williams if he's there. Hopefully someone takes him before the Raiders pick.

Run Downs LDE Montez Sweat Ldt run stuffers J Ellis / J Hankins Rdt Pj Hall( Geno Atkins clone) Rde Benson Mayowa  Wlb V Burlict MLB B Marshall SLb M Lee  Ss K Joseph FS Lamarcus Joyner . CB G Conley CB One of their first round picks 

Pass downs LDE M Sweat Ldt Pj Hall Rdt M Hurst Rde Arden Key ( situational pass rusher should had easily 6-7 sacks last year.   Wlb n Morrow  MLB B Marshall FS L Joyner Ss E Harris/ Nick Nelson like to see him moved to safety.   Very reliable tackler, and instincts are off the charts.  CB G Gonley CB - one of their first draft choices Nb - Nevin Lawson/ D Worley/ Nick Nelson.

 

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43 minutes ago, choon328 said:

Yeah.... I don't really give a flying **** what you have to say. 

You're getting mad at me because you never heard of Antonio Brown .     Didn't cost them a number 1 to acquire either.( or a two for that matter)

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6 hours ago, flgreen said:

Bingo

That's exactly what this is about.  It's common practice that new GM's fire the old scouting staff after the draft.  These guys are basically looking for jobs.  They've given their reports.......bye

Exactly and the rumor out there is Ex charger GM Aj Smith would be joining the Raiders front office/ scouting department at some point.      M Mayock has a lot of friends / contacts around the league.    There is no doubt he will put together a top scouting department , that he feels comfortable working with. 

Aj Smith if they pull that one off will be a great start.

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1 hour ago, GREENBEAN said:


I don’t disagree with this. So far the raiders have done things the way I like it to happen. Mack won’t play ball? Get 2 firsts for him. (Grateful it wasn’t the Jets two firsts BTW). Cooper wants to be sporadic and lean toward the soft side? Get a first for him. Top 3 WR wants out of Pittsburgh? Hold strong and offer chump change for him. Etc etc. nicely done.

Interestingly I wanted the jets to stay as far away from AB as possible but it’s a different team. Can’t complain about the deal they got. That’s for sure.

They are making it fun out there and being bold. Problem is that type of thinking and mgmt can blow up in their faces just as easily.
AB continues to be a c*nt and it ruins the team. Any of these firsts don’t work out and they lost two very good/elite players to get them. Start moving up for Murray and pushing a very good QB out the door could work brilliantly and it can fail miserably.

But I like it. I like the movers and shakers when trying to rebuild the team atmosphere and attitude.
Then I like a well run developmental program where the moving and shaking isn’t necessary anymore. But for now I like it. And I like that they sent everyone else home. To hell with leaks man. That should show you that they are no where near done making moves and want their ideas protected. Just john and mike sitting in the quiet room where they can think and talk without the kids running around making noise. :)




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I like Mike Mayock thought process.  He has every team in the Raiders division players up there.( all in one room)   To go anywhere you have to first win your division.  

Everything he does is designed to create a team that can matchup to the top team in his division. For example here is the Chiefs weapons , how do we neutralize them.

It's no accident the Raiders have really made an effort to increase their speed on both sides of the ball.  Look at Wr  corps number 1  . antonio Bown 2Tyrell Williams 3 draft choice(   Maybe Hollywood Brown - Antonio Brown cousin, 4. Jj Nelson- James Jett type who there to stretch the field.( open up areas of the field you want to exploit.    That is way faster group of receivers than they had last year.

 

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15 hours ago, NYs Stepchild said:

Everyone loves draft picks even though they usually don't pan out. 

No one loves potential more than you. 

PJ Hall 22 tackles 0 sacks. Basically a Geno Atkins clone???

Arden Key should have easily had 6-7 sacks chose to only get 1. 

Nick Nelson's instincts are off the charts...What? 

G Conley is developing into a shut down corner?

This is just more of the same Chaz Shilenz hopes and dreams from you

Last year rookie class on defense will go down as one of the best overhaul the Raiders have had in sometime .  Everyone of the players was a rookie ( including Conley who was basically a rookie - missed most of his rookie year due to injury).

Yes you look at just there stats from last year and outside of Hurst they weren't that impressive .     What your missing.    Those players stats would have been much better playing with K Mack.  They traded him right before the season and these players had to do on their own.( too late to get a top veteran for them to lean on) 

Pj Hall is 6'1 310 4.73 forty Vj 38 bp 36  .     Difference between him and Geno Atkins is he came from Sam Houston state, while Atkins came from Georgia.  Took Hall some time to get up to speed playing against much better talent.    He played as well as any rookie Defense lineman during the second half of the season.  He going to be a superstar, and there is a reason he didn't put up the sack numbers because teams had to double team him, free up M Hurst to benefit seeing one on one situations. 

Arden Key when drafted was suppose to be situational pass rusher only . When K Mack was traded he was forced to play fulltime.     HE has great bend off the corner, and should had six sacks.  Just missed the tackle- won't happen in his second year as I say he will finish with 9 to 10'sacks in 2019. ( will be just the situational pass rusher he was suppose to be) 

Raiders finished with paltry 15 sacks in 2018.   Those numbers go way up in 2019 because those rookie are more experience, and have better talent around them .  Raiders you can bet are going  to address their defense bigtime with the four picks they have in the top 35.    I have complete faith in who Paul Guenther picks on defense at four.  He showed me last year he knows exactly what he wants for his defense.

You will see for yourself when the Raiders Play the Jets this year.

 

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