BCJet Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Gabriel's tweet goes on to say that hes been told Greg Williams loves Oliver and is the influence behind the pick. For what its worth Brian Costello mentioned that this is the 2nd time this week someone has linked Oliver to us, the first was in Daniel Jermiah's mock draft. I have not idea the credibility of Gabriel or Jeremiah as far as knowing what the Jets want to do but I cannot think of a worse scenario. Oliver is a lot riskier of a pick then either Allen or Williams and after watching the film review of him on turnonthejets.com he seems like more of a DE to me then a DT, but not a speed rusher so we would essentially be going back to the 3-4 DE route with a first round pick yet again, which is absurd. We should all pray that we can move down, because this story really makes me question what will happen if no one clear cut falls to Mac and he has to make an actual decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post joewilly12 Posted April 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2019 Ed Oliver is a beast the guy has a 100% motor on all plays I've seen film on him. We have to strike gold on this pick there are no excuses. 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bitonti Posted April 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, BCJet said: I cannot think of a worse scenario. the dude has 99 sparq and is an absolute monster inside pass rush he's a best case scenario not a worst 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 More versatile than Williams and I don’t think everyone is sold on Allen being can’t miss that high. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Woah, is Mac getting smart? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Sweet. More defense. These sh*tty seasons under Macaggnan have really been paying off. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Assuming that this is true and that the reason is actually that williams loves him that’s ok with me mr Williams knows more about his defense than I do with that said this is lying season 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Matt39 said: More versatile than Williams and I don’t think everyone is sold on Allen being can’t miss that high. I imagine that Q, allen and Oliver all have similar grades. I can stomach taking Oliver over williams. I do think allen is going to be a beast. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, Larz said: Assuming that this is true and that the reason is actually that williams loves him that’s ok with me mr Williams knows more about his defense than I do with that said this is lying season It could well be that mccagnan has intel that teams want Oliver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, Augustiniak said: It could well be that mccagnan has intel that teams want Oliver. Absolutely its also interesting that the Jets have 2 Ivy League analytics guys and oliver has ridiculous numbers tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Larz said: Absolutely its also interesting that the Jets have 2 Ivy League analytics guys and oliver has ridiculous numbers tho It’s not like other top defensive prospects don’t also have good numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Augustiniak said: It’s not like other top defensive prospects don’t also have good numbers. It’s actually a pretty big gap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 13 minutes ago, CTM said: Woah, is Mac getting smart? This would be pretty solid proof that Heimerdinger is changing the culture in the front office. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, Larz said: its also interesting that the Jets have 2 Ivy League analytics guys wait whaaaaat? Do you have a link for this? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, dbatesman said: This would be pretty solid proof that Heimerdinger is changing the culture in the front office. If mccagnan had full control over the pick he’d take williams b/c he’s least likely to bust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dbatesman Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: If mccagnan had full control over the pick he’d take williams b/c he’s least likely to bust. I don't think Williams is least likely to bust, but I absolutely think Maccagnan thinks that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, dbatesman said: I don't think Williams is least likely to bust, but I absolutely think Maccagnan thinks that. This year’s Leonard williams, yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 FTR: this isn’t about Maccagnan liking Oliver, it’s about the draft media finding out they had Oliver way too low in their bullsh*t mock drafts and now they’re overcorrecting. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 People need to remember that Williams was Aaron Donald's first DC in the pros. So his opinion should carry a lot of weight because he saw/developed Donald when he first broke in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Could be a front to get a team to try and move up. But Ed Oliver does seem to fit what Gregg Williams likes to do over QW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, Augustiniak said: This year’s Leonard williams, yes. Quinnen is a really good athlete and has more potential than Leo. Oliver is just that close to generational potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR24 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Would be a great pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornJetsFan1983 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Um quick question for your circle jerk, how many sacks did he have in his last college season? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, dbatesman said: wait whaaaaat? Do you have a link for this? Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I’m on my phone this will be painful lol Brian ShieldsSenior Manager, Football Scouting Research Analytics Jason MulhollandManager, Football Analytics 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Larz Posted April 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2019 A look at what's happening around the New York Jets: 1. Number crunchers: After some initial reluctance, the Jets are embracing the increased role of analytics in the NFL. No, they're not becoming a "moneyball" team, but they recently expanded their analytics department. Former West Coast scout Brian Shields, who was involved in the scouting of quarterback Sam Darnold, was hired as the senior manager of football research and analytics, a new position in the organization. He's a Princeton graduate with a business background, but he's not just a numbers guy, as he spent five years on the scouting trail with the Jets and Los Angeles Rams. Jason Mulholland, a graduate of The Wharton School at Penn, is the manager of football analytics. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, BornJetsFan1983 said: Um quick question for your circle jerk, how many sacks did he have in his last college season? He played NT most of the time which is completely out of his position. All metrics show that when positioned properly, Oliver's pass rushing numbers increased significantly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Larz said: Former West Coast scout Brian Shields, who was involved in the scouting of quarterback Sam Darnold, was hired as the senior manager of football research and analytics, a new position in the organization. He's a Princeton graduate with a business background, but he's not just a numbers guy, as he spent five years on the scouting trail with the Jets and Los Angeles Rams Worth noting that Heimerdinger also came out of the Rams scouting department, but I’m too lazy to see if these guys were there at the same time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 16 minutes ago, T0mShane said: FTR: this isn’t about Maccagnan liking Oliver, it’s about the draft media finding out they had Oliver way too low in their bullsh*t mock drafts and now they’re overcorrecting. Pretty sure it’s @Miss Lonelyhearts Influence and we will need to hold him responsible for the pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, KRL said: People need to remember that Williams was Aaron Donald's first DC in the pros. So his opinion should carry a lot of weight because he saw/developed Donald when he first broke in Thats a good point, but the issue is that Donald and Oliver aren't comparable players because in addition to both having elite quickness, Donald is extremely strong for a 280 lb player and Oliver's biggest issue is the ability to hold up vs the run at 280 lbs as he isnt as strong. Oliver isnt a DT in our defense, he is a 3-4 DE which is not what you spend the #3 pick on. What we would need to do, in my opinion, is to have him play more of a 4-3 DE and play at 270 where he can use his elite quickness as an "edge rusher" but theres obviously a risk with having a guy change positions after taking them that high. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 This would be a very risky pick. I’d be shocked if Mac made it at 3. I’d love the gamble of it though. Change it up a bit here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, Larz said: A look at what's happening around the New York Jets: 1. Number crunchers: After some initial reluctance, the Jets are embracing the increased role of analytics in the NFL. No, they're not becoming a "moneyball" team, but they recently expanded their analytics department. Former West Coast scout Brian Shields, who was involved in the scouting of quarterback Sam Darnold, was hired as the senior manager of football research and analytics, a new position in the organization. He's a Princeton graduate with a business background, but he's not just a numbers guy, as he spent five years on the scouting trail with the Jets and Los Angeles Rams. Jason Mulholland, a graduate of The Wharton School at Penn, is the manager of football analytics. Thanks—I missed this somehow. We’ve been way behind the league on analytics for a while, so this is encouraging. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Step 1: Draft nothing but DL for 86 drafts in a row. Fail miserably. Fire GM that did it. Step 2: Hire new GM, spend the next several drafts drafting the same DL positions the last guy ****ed up. Draft quarterback in between, draft nothing to support him. Step 3: Profit? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdels62 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, BCJet said: Thats a good point, but the issue is that Donald and Oliver aren't comparable players because in addition to both having elite quickness, Donald is extremely strong for a 280 lb player and Oliver's biggest issue is the ability to hold up vs the run at 280 lbs as he isnt as strong. Oliver isnt a DT in our defense, he is a 3-4 DE which is not what you spend the #3 pick on. What we would need to do, in my opinion, is to have him play more of a 4-3 DE and play at 270 where he can use his elite quickness as an "edge rusher" but theres obviously a risk with having a guy change positions after taking them that high. He is a DT. He was great against the run as a 280 lbs NT. He is in the 81th percentile for Bench Press reps and put up more than Christians Wilkins and Jerry Tillery, legit first round tackles. He’s plenty strong and proven against the run. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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