Namath

[peekskill68]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

We can only judge players based on the era in which they played.  

Great in theory but hard in practice...

[14 in Green]

4 hours ago, nyjunc said:

Mayfield does not have that off field charisma Joe had/has.  A got like Deion Sanders had/has it.  Very few players possess that skill.  On the field Mayfield has a Joe like swagger.

This.

[Bleedin Green]

1 hour ago, CTM said:

Noodle arm apologists still exist? I thought we eradicated that virus a decade ago. 

Freaken anti vaxxers

They mostly stay in hiding, but every now and then a few of them try to sneak it in a little noodle love when they think no one will notice.

[HelenOfTroy]

Never followed the NFL, nor cared to, but I liked Namath - wasn’t my off the field style or QB persona, but I liked him....he just reminded me of a lovable buffoon off the field, harmless and charming - and a womanizer - but he pulled it off beautifully because the man could play.

Because of Namath, I always thought the Jets were THE franchise in New York, never even knew their was another N.Y. franchise named the Giants.  

[nyjunc]

2 hours ago, Savage69 said:

Using your value Judgments the Compiler was better then Jim Brown,Gale Sayers and Earl Campbell.. Oh and Vinny had more yardage and td's then Montana.. Joe had a gunslinger style and attempted throws that most QB's wouldn't even try.. He came into the league damaged goods with 2 bad knees many thought then he might only last 3 or 4 seasons.. The rule changes from 1978 and on was a huge help to offense's not to mention how a  QB can be hit.. I wish Joe could have played in todays NFL with 2 good knee's he would have been really fun to watch.. I saw him at Bama when the knee's were good and man could he run..

You must have me confused with someone else and you good keep dismissing the fact that the AFL was a passing league.  You act like he was playing in the NFL of the 30s

[HelenOfTroy]

3 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Great to see the never-ending apologist of the Noodle-arm and Buttfumble so excited to trash Namath.

QB fanboys are the worst.  There is only their beloved to worship, trash the rest.

Disturbing, and so unmanly and petty.  

[nyjunc]

Just now, HelenOfTroy said:

QB fanboys are the worst.  There is only their beloved to worship, trash the rest.

Disturbing, and so unmanly and petty.  

Some of us can separate our fandom to be fair in discussions like this, others worship certain players and cannot be objective.  

[HelenOfTroy]

4 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Some of us can separate our fandom to be fair in discussions like this, others worship certain players and cannot be objective.  

I know.  I adore Sam, but not for the reasons one thinks.  But I love, love, love Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, Drew Brees - also for many reasons.  Happy when they do well.  

There is room for more than one QB to cheer on.

[Kleckineau]

6 hours ago, nyjunc said:

There are very few things more overrated than the 4000 yd passing season. In that season he threw 28 INTs (also in only 14 games) and threw away the Jets season.  Joe was great for a brief stretch of his career but 1967 was not one if his great years.

In a critical 3 game stretch late in the year he threw NINE ints to lead them to 3 straight losses, after Houston clinched the division before the final game he then went out and threw 4 TDs with zero ints.  

Have fun tomorrow telling the little kids the easter bunny is dead.

[Savage69]

33 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

You must have me confused with someone else and you good keep dismissing the fact that the AFL was a passing league.  You act like he was playing in the NFL of the 30s

AFL truly was a passing league minus the rules of today that helps passing and protects QB's..

[Beerfish]

13 hours ago, slats said:

Here’s the photo mentioned, Joe and Buddy Ryan. 

 

Throws off his back foot, need to get someone like Chirs Palmer working with him to correct his foot work and delivery.

[slats]

3 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Throws off his back foot, need to get someone like Chirs Palmer working with him to correct his foot work and delivery.

Or no feet at all....

[joewilly12]

52 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

Some of us can separate our fandom to be fair in discussions like this, others worship certain players and cannot be objective.  

And vice versa some hate certain players regardless of how good they really were or are. 

[Thai Jet]

2 hours ago, Savage69 said:

Using your value Judgments the Compiler was better then Jim Brown,Gale Sayers and Earl Campbell.. Oh and Vinny had more yardage and td's then Montana.. Joe had a gunslinger style and attempted throws that most QB's wouldn't even try.. He came into the league damaged goods with 2 bad knees many thought then he might only last 3 or 4 seasons.. The rule changes from 1978 and on was a huge help to offense's not to mention how a  QB can be hit.. I wish Joe could have played in todays NFL with 2 good knee's he would have been really fun to watch.. I saw him at Bama when the knee's were good and man could he run..

So did I and you are absolutely correct. He was such a good runner till he had his 1st major knee injury in I think a game against Washington. Coach Bryant called him the greatest athlete he ever coached.

[Thai Jet]

1 minute ago, joewilly12 said:

And vice versa some hate certain players regardless of how good they really were or are. 

Like Cindy ?  lol

[joewilly12]

18 minutes ago, slats said:

Or no feet at all....

That picture is crazy it shows the athleticism Namath had. WOW 

[Savage69]

9 minutes ago, Thai Jet said:

So did I and you are absolutely correct. He was such a good runner till he had his 1st major knee injury in I think a game against Washington. Coach Bryant called him the greatest athlete he ever coached.

The knee surgery they did in the 60's was like the stone age compared to what they can do today..

[Wonderboy]

15 hours ago, slats said:

I follow this group on Facebook. If you’re on there (I don’t recommend FB), it’s a cool group. I’m a Jet fan because I was a little kid who got to see a lot of games at Shea. I thought this was a cool defense of our own Broadway Joe: 

Freezing at Flushing members this Don Stokes. I wanted to share something with you written by one of our members Jim Trainor. He was responding to a comment that was made by a member. I won’t share his name. This person stated he felt Joe Namath (In this photo with Buddy Ryan circa 1971) was overrated. I felt Jim’s statement gives a wonderful explanation on the legend of Broadway Joe. 

Thanks Jim 

Here it is:
...................For a period of about 6 years, he (Joe) was the best quarterback in Pro Football, and it wasn’t even close. Just listen to the likes of Lombardi, Madden, Shula, Davis, Walsh, Gillman, Baugh all talk about him. 
Time and the evolution of the game has not been kind to Namath because the post 1980 rule changes and emphasis on scoring has helped dwarf not only his stat line, but his impact on the game. Most people who saw him play, look past the career stat lines because you could “see” the greatness of his talent. 
If you never saw him play, and you only measure greatness through stat lines, you’ll never be convinced that Namath was one of the top 20 talents to ever play the position. It’s unfortunate that injuries, the disadvantage of playing in one of the most “unfriendly” passing venues in football, and horrendous Jet teams of the mid 70’s have damaged those career statistics. 
But here’s a stat to consider... In the history of the NFL, from 1920 to now, there have been 188 quarterbacks that have thrown for over 4,000 yards in a single season. 186 of those occurred AFTER 1980, after the first set of rules to help offenses pass the ball were instituted. From 1920 to 1980, there were ONLY 2 quarterbacks to do it, Dan Fouts and Joe Namath, and Namath is the ONLY 1 to do it in a 14 game season. Further, there have been 11 quarterbacks that have thrown for 5,000 yards in a season since 1984, when Dan Marino did it first. 
The other 10 times it was done all occurred after 2007, which shows you how great Marino was. The point is this... the NFL game we watch today isn’t even the same game it was in 1985, never mind 1970. You can’t measure from different eras against each other... everything about the game (I.e. pro offense rules, stadiums/weather conditions, injury treatments, offensive systems, etc...) is different. Bottom line is this... Joe Namath was one of, if not the best QB, of his generation and some of the greatest coaches and players back that up, even if the career stat line doesn’t.

In other words.....Brady sucks!

[Wonderboy]

15 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

First off, I know you’re new here, just want to tell you I enjoy reading your posts. You really have hit the ground running.

That said, the above comment is simply pandering to the board. There is nothing about Darnold that reminds anyone who saw Namath play of Broadway Joe. Let me fix it for you. 

Namath to Mayfield. ?

There.

I fixed it.

You’re welcome. 

 

This is just plain stupid on so many counts. So Peace Frog is new, Who cares. Being new to the board has nothing to do with one’s football knowledge or ability to make insightful comments. You’ve been here awhile I assume and from your posts, your logic is skewed. Peace’s posts have been electric. Can we make a Worst Post of the Week button ?We have a winner!

[Wonderboy]

14 hours ago, 14 in Green said:

 

 

LOL just kidding guys... I know what he meant. 

But seriously, if you’re old enough to remember Namath, don’t you think he had the same type of brash style that Mayfield does?

I know it’s not exactly the same, but remember how our dads and grandfathers were turned off by that cocky young Jets QB? That was what made me a Jets fan...

This OP is a homage to Namath. Why are you bringing Mayfield into it. It’s utter blasphemy. Comparing Mayfield to Namath is like comparing Underdog to Superman. Get a grip.

[TuscanyTile2]

16 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

This OP is a homage to Namath. Why are you bringing Mayfield into it. It’s utter blasphemy. Comparing Mayfield to Namath is like comparing Underdog to Superman. Get a grip.

Agree that Mayfield is ridiculous.  However, try telling that Underdog comparison to Sweet Polly Purebred!

[Wonderboy]

11 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

 

The difference between him and you is the quality of your posts. Sorry the having fun part of the discussion went over your head, but you did at least get to show off YOUR stupidity.

I never equated his being new to the quality of his posts. In fact I simply told him I realized he was new, and I enjoyed his style of posting.

The Mayfield to Namath thing was a joke. I was teasing him for his comment about Darnold being the successor to Namath.

Its all good though. You can simply anoint yourself as the arbiter of what’s “stupid” here and what’s not. Then you get to make the calls on Worst post of the Week also. You have that right, because so many people here give a s**t what you have to say.

You also have the right to be the little bi**h who butt fumbles everyone and inserts the cute emojis in your posts. You know, the ones no one pays attention to.

 

Yea ok but I have an excuse according to your skewed logic...i’m new lol ? Awww your feelings are hurt ? But smile ? you have a new worst post of the week!

[Wonderboy]

Just now, TuscanyTile2 said:

Agree that Mayfield is ridiculous.  However, try telling that Underdog comparison to Sweet Polly Purebred!

Lois would kick her azz. 

[Ghost]

Coolest ******* guy in the world. 

[docdhc]

8 hours ago, nyjunc said:

"When he played the Jets had a chance to beat anyone"- I guess that's why he was one game under .500 as a starting QB.

Joe was special, unfortunately his body wasn't meant for pro football and it broke down.  Those around in that era barely got to see Joe at his peak because of that and he had a mostly mediocre career because of that.

I didn’t want to get sucked into this but I have to respond. In 67, 68,69 when in his prime Jets were 8-5-1, 11-3, 10-4. In 72 and 74 when he played a full season they were 7-7 even though he could hardly move. When he played they were very competitive. They sucked without him in 71 and 73. By 75 he was a shell of himself. 

[jack48]

16 hours ago, slats said:

I follow this group on Facebook. If you’re on there (I don’t recommend FB), it’s a cool group. I’m a Jet fan because I was a little kid who got to see a lot of games at Shea. I thought this was a cool defense of our own Broadway Joe: 

Freezing at Flushing members this Don Stokes. I wanted to share something with you written by one of our members Jim Trainor. He was responding to a comment that was made by a member. I won’t share his name. This person stated he felt Joe Namath (In this photo with Buddy Ryan circa 1971) was overrated. I felt Jim’s statement gives a wonderful explanation on the legend of Broadway Joe. 

Thanks Jim 

Here it is:
...................For a period of about 6 years, he (Joe) was the best quarterback in Pro Football, and it wasn’t even close. Just listen to the likes of Lombardi, Madden, Shula, Davis, Walsh, Gillman, Baugh all talk about him. 
Time and the evolution of the game has not been kind to Namath because the post 1980 rule changes and emphasis on scoring has helped dwarf not only his stat line, but his impact on the game. Most people who saw him play, look past the career stat lines because you could “see” the greatness of his talent. 
If you never saw him play, and you only measure greatness through stat lines, you’ll never be convinced that Namath was one of the top 20 talents to ever play the position. It’s unfortunate that injuries, the disadvantage of playing in one of the most “unfriendly” passing venues in football, and horrendous Jet teams of the mid 70’s have damaged those career statistics. 
But here’s a stat to consider... In the history of the NFL, from 1920 to now, there have been 188 quarterbacks that have thrown for over 4,000 yards in a single season. 186 of those occurred AFTER 1980, after the first set of rules to help offenses pass the ball were instituted. From 1920 to 1980, there were ONLY 2 quarterbacks to do it, Dan Fouts and Joe Namath, and Namath is the ONLY 1 to do it in a 14 game season. Further, there have been 11 quarterbacks that have thrown for 5,000 yards in a season since 1984, when Dan Marino did it first. 
The other 10 times it was done all occurred after 2007, which shows you how great Marino was. The point is this... the NFL game we watch today isn’t even the same game it was in 1985, never mind 1970. You can’t measure from different eras against each other... everything about the game (I.e. pro offense rules, stadiums/weather conditions, injury treatments, offensive systems, etc...) is different. Bottom line is this... Joe Namath was one of, if not the best QB, of his generation and some of the greatest coaches and players back that up, even if the career stat line doesn’t.

there are no QBs today or in recent memory who played on knees like his.  He literally hobbled.  I loved watching him--the most dynamic, immobile player I ever watched.  And I sw his whole Jet gig.  I dont care what happened after he left. he was done before he left.  A sitting duck.  But he was great.

[Peace Frog]

What is going on here?

Why can’t we all just be friends?

Asking for a friend. 

[greenwave81]

9 hours ago, nyjunc said:

There are very few things more overrated than the 4000 yd passing season. In that season he threw 28 INTs (also in only 14 games) and threw away the Jets season.  Joe was great for a brief stretch of his career but 1967 was not one if his great years.

 

C'mon man....that 4000 yd season with the first in NFL history in an era where QB's and WR's weren't 'protected' like they are today, both being frequently mauled by opposing D's.

4000 ain't a big deal now, but it certainly was then.

[jack48]

Another thing: Joe did all this on two hours sleep

[Savage69]

4 minutes ago, jack48 said:

Another thing: Joe did all this on two hours sleep

And a hangover..

[jack48]

4 hours ago, peekskill68 said:

Great in theory but hard in practice...

back then, DBs mauled receivers.  and QBs were unprotected

[playtowinthegame]

1 hour ago, Wonderboy said:

Peace’s posts have been electric. 

[Wonderboy]

5 minutes ago, playtowinthegame said:

I see you like being buttfumbled. 

[Thai Jet]

3 hours ago, Savage69 said:

The knee surgery they did in the 60's was like the stone age compared to what they can do today..

Absolutely !

[Bleedin Green]

50 minutes ago, greenwave81 said:

C'mon man....that 4000 yd season with the first in NFL history in an era where QB's and WR's weren't 'protected' like they are today, both being frequently mauled by opposing D's.

4000 ain't a big deal now, but it certainly was then.

What do you mean?  It only took a mere 12 years and 2 more games for the league's second 4000 yard season.  Obviously it was no big deal back then.