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nyjunc

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5 hours ago, Kleckineau said:

Have fun tomorrow telling the little kids the easter bunny is dead.

At some point we do grow up and realize the Easter Bunny does not exist.

5 hours ago, Savage69 said:

AFL truly was a passing league minus the rules of today that helps passing and protects QB's..

It's silly to compare that era to this but it's also silly to pretend that he didn't play in a wide open on passing league

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nyjunc

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5 hours ago, joewilly12 said:

And vice versa some hate certain players regardless of how good they really were or are. 

Fortunately I can give credit to this that I hate as well.

2 hours ago, docdhc said:

I didn’t want to get sucked into this but I have to respond. In 67, 68,69 when in his prime Jets were 8-5-1, 11-3, 10-4. In 72 and 74 when he played a full season they were 7-7 even though he could hardly move. When he played they were very competitive. They sucked without him in 71 and 73. By 75 he was a shell of himself. 

His record doesn't include games he didn't start.  For his career the Jets were one game under .500 with him.  You can't say they had a chance to win when he was on the field when they were under .500 with him.

2 hours ago, greenwave81 said:

C'mon man....that 4000 yd season with the first in NFL history in an era where QB's and WR's weren't 'protected' like they are today, both being frequently mauled by opposing D's.

4000 ain't a big deal now, but it certainly was then.

Yardage can be very overrated and while out if context 4000 is incredible it came with 28 INTs and him throwing away the season. In addition to those 3 critical games that decided the season that I mentioned he also there SIX INTs in a 28-28 tie against eventual division champ Houston.  If the Jets win that game they get the tiebreaker.  We tied 28-28 with Joe throwing 6 ints including TWO returned for TDs.  He threw away that season and I would assume it's why he threw the ball a lot less in 1968.

 

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1 hour ago, Bleedin Green said:

What do you mean?  It only took a mere 12 years and 2 more games for the league's second 4000 yard season.  Obviously it was no big deal back then.

He literally threw away the Jets season that year, they should have easily win the division but gained to because of all his INTs.  I'm sorry if meaningless yardage doesn't impress me.

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Charlie Brown

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9 hours ago, Savage69 said:

Using your value Judgments the Compiler was better then Jim Brown,Gale Sayers and Earl Campbell.. Oh and Vinny had more yardage and td's then Montana.. Joe had a gunslinger style and attempted throws that most QB's wouldn't even try.. He came into the league damaged goods with 2 bad knees many thought then he might only last 3 or 4 seasons.. The rule changes from 1978 and on was a huge help to offense's not to mention how a  QB can be hit.. I wish Joe could have played in todays NFL with 2 good knee's he would have been really fun to watch.. I saw him at Bama when the knee's were good and man could he run..

I want you to know that I reluctantly up voted this post because of your swipe and low blow at JET HOF CURTIS MARTIN!!!!!

Just saying.... :)  

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Charlie Brown

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3 hours ago, docdhc said:

I didn’t want to get sucked into this but I have to respond. In 67, 68,69 when in his prime Jets were 8-5-1, 11-3, 10-4. In 72 and 74 when he played a full season they were 7-7 even though he could hardly move. When he played they were very competitive. They sucked without him in 71 and 73. By 75 he was a shell of himself. 

Thank you...

I don't really even put up fact based Posts anymore. 

People want to believe the guys they watch now are just "so much better" than say Johnny U, Namath and my sleeper favorite Otto Graham (before my time), no matter what.

As has been stated every contemporary of Namath thought he was Great and was not over rated ..... 

For example:

Bill Walsh, long-time coach of the San Francisco 49ers and three-time Super Bowl victor, has said that Namath was “the most beautiful, accurate, stylish passer with the quickest release I’ve ever seen.”

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One of the reasons they lost in the early 70s when Namath was hurt, was because Al woodall, the back up was terrible. We still had a lot of that super bowl roster, but wasted it with Namath getting hurt alot, and a terrible back up qb. Namath touted woodall, as well as richard Todd, who was also awful. Namath was a great qb, but a bad judge of talent. 

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14 in Green

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15 minutes ago, JetFaninMI said:

Dude you're pretty new here yourself. In fact you're here less than a year but act like you're a founding member or some sh*t. You like to "explain" to people and think because you do that it's actually something tangible. I know just the type of guy you are and would probably just ignore you but I am sick of your sh*t as are a lot of others. You keep personally attacking people like this and I doubt you make that 1yr anniversary.

Your posts are a lot of self serving bullsh*t and I can tell you love the sound of your own voice. I guess the sh*t you spew here is the equal of that. Do yourself a favor. The next time you're among "friends" or co-workers and you're off on one of your little "explanations" pay special attention to the way they act while you are in the middle of it. I bet they tune you out like most do with your posts on these boards. I know you will give a 4 or 5 paragraph response to this and it will be a lot of your usual bullsh*t which I probably won't read or give a sh*t about. Furthermore I could care less about your opinion on any subject and don't care what you think of mine. I would offer advice but someone like you doesn't need it because you already know everything. A rude awakening is coming. I hope it doesn't hurt too much when it bites you on the azz.

 

:::and I’m supposed to be the one who loves the sound of my own voice?

 

 

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In kreigels biography he mentions that sonny werblin, former talented agent in Hollywood, went after joe after telling the driver that drove joe to a predraft meeting to ask him a question about something and based on joes responses knew he would be a star 

a star

Werblin told joe to just keep throwing deep,that was how you got the back page 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, 14 in Green said:

:::and I’m supposed to be the one who loves the sound of my own voice?

 

 

   43 minutes ago,  JetFaninMI said: 

Dude you're pretty new here yourself. In fact you're here less than a year but act like you're a founding member or some sh*t. You like to "explain" to people and think because you do that it's actually something tangible. I know just the type of guy you are and would probably just ignore you but I am sick of your sh*t as are a lot of others. You keep personally attacking people like this and I doubt you make that 1yr anniversary.

Your posts are a lot of self serving bullsh*t and I can tell you love the sound of your own voice. I guess the sh*t you spew here is the equal of that. Do yourself a favor. The next time you're among "friends" or co-workers and you're off on one of your little "explanations" pay special attention to the way they act while you are in the middle of it. I bet they tune you out like most do with your posts on these boards. I know you will give a 4 or 5 paragraph response to this and it will be a lot of your usual bullsh*t which I probably won't read or give a sh*t about. Furthermore I could care less about your opinion on any subject and don't care what you think of mine. I would offer advice but someone like you doesn't need it because you already know everything. A rude awakening is coming. I hope it doesn't hurt too much when it bites you on the azz.

 

Post of the Week by JetFaninMi. Listen carefully. It’s the sound of JetFaninMi smacking 14 in Green ? in the head like he was a 6 year old. WHAAAACK 

 

 

 

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Peace Frog

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1 hour ago, joewilly12 said:

Imagine that from this board..........never right. 

The night we win the SUPER BOWL there will be posters here complaining about something . BOOK IT 

I’m new here and I don’t mean to be disrespectful but that dude sounds like an autustic idiot savant with none of the savant stuff and mostly idiot. 

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22 hours ago, slats said:

I follow this group on Facebook. If you’re on there (I don’t recommend FB), it’s a cool group. I’m a Jet fan because I was a little kid who got to see a lot of games at Shea. I thought this was a cool defense of our own Broadway Joe: 

Freezing at Flushing members this Don Stokes. I wanted to share something with you written by one of our members Jim Trainor. He was responding to a comment that was made by a member. I won’t share his name. This person stated he felt Joe Namath (In this photo with Buddy Ryan circa 1971) was overrated. I felt Jim’s statement gives a wonderful explanation on the legend of Broadway Joe. 

Thanks Jim 

Here it is:
...................For a period of about 6 years, he (Joe) was the best quarterback in Pro Football, and it wasn’t even close. Just listen to the likes of Lombardi, Madden, Shula, Davis, Walsh, Gillman, Baugh all talk about him. 
Time and the evolution of the game has not been kind to Namath because the post 1980 rule changes and emphasis on scoring has helped dwarf not only his stat line, but his impact on the game. Most people who saw him play, look past the career stat lines because you could “see” the greatness of his talent. 
If you never saw him play, and you only measure greatness through stat lines, you’ll never be convinced that Namath was one of the top 20 talents to ever play the position. It’s unfortunate that injuries, the disadvantage of playing in one of the most “unfriendly” passing venues in football, and horrendous Jet teams of the mid 70’s have damaged those career statistics. 
But here’s a stat to consider... In the history of the NFL, from 1920 to now, there have been 188 quarterbacks that have thrown for over 4,000 yards in a single season. 186 of those occurred AFTER 1980, after the first set of rules to help offenses pass the ball were instituted. From 1920 to 1980, there were ONLY 2 quarterbacks to do it, Dan Fouts and Joe Namath, and Namath is the ONLY 1 to do it in a 14 game season. Further, there have been 11 quarterbacks that have thrown for 5,000 yards in a season since 1984, when Dan Marino did it first. 
The other 10 times it was done all occurred after 2007, which shows you how great Marino was. The point is this... the NFL game we watch today isn’t even the same game it was in 1985, never mind 1970. You can’t measure from different eras against each other... everything about the game (I.e. pro offense rules, stadiums/weather conditions, injury treatments, offensive systems, etc...) is different. Bottom line is this... Joe Namath was one of, if not the best QB, of his generation and some of the greatest coaches and players back that up, even if the career stat line doesn’t.

That’s awesome.   he is to me the most important player ever in the NFL. 

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1 minute ago, Peace Frog said:

Non-Mentally deficient adult Jet fans dumping on Joe Willie Namath. 

Children with bad parents with access to computers hooked up to the internet?

I thought this was a non-trolling board. 

Sounds dumb. 

All due respect. 

Jets fans trolling on Joe Namath are attention seeking warped minded individuals. 

31 other NFL teams to root for. 

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Peace Frog

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4 minutes ago, joewilly12 said:

Jets fans trolling on Joe Namath are attention seeking warped minded individuals. 

31 other NFL teams to root for. 

Sounds like one of these moronic millennials pining for socialism. 

Best not to pay them any mind, they fade in the face of adversity. 

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Wonderboy

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31 minutes ago, Peace Frog said:

Non-Mentally deficient adult Jet fans dumping on Joe Willie Namath. 

Children with bad parents with access to computers hooked up to the internet?

I thought this was a non-trolling board. 

Sounds dumb. 

All due respect. 

Anyone comparing Mayfield to Namath is not only mentally deficient but self serving. (See JatFaninMi post above).

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Peace Frog

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14 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

Anyone comparing Mayfield to Namath is not only mentally deficient but self serving. (See JatFaninMi post above).

Critiques of Mayfield have nothing to do with Namath. 

Different era, different criteria. 

I like Mayfield. 

Don’t sh*t on Namath for ANY reason. 

You sound dumb. 

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14 in Green

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36 minutes ago, Wonderboy said:

Anyone comparing Mayfield to Namath is not only mentally deficient but self serving. (See JatFaninMi post above).

I think @JetFaninMI is smart enough to realize this, but let me give you a word to the wise wonderboy.

When the mods start deleting posts, they’re telling us they’ve had enough of our nonsense. 

You want to keep carrying on, go ahead. Just don’t expect me to reply. 

I have a good time here on this site. It’s not worth the risk of getting banned for dealing with your childishness.

Take my advice and knock it off, or not. It’s up to you. It really doesn’t matter to me in the least.

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Bugg

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So many ifs. Namath came into pro football with 2 bad knees. With medical advances his injuries would not have been that big a deal today. Would like to think with some sobriety and training he might have been that much better. And the disaster of the end of his Jets tenure, with the gutting of the team by sheer cheapness, and trading away a HoF back in Riggins for nothing, we'll never know what could have been.

Think of it like this; If you trade him straight up for Bradshaw in 1971, the Steelers with that talent a especially a great OL might not have lost more than a game a year for 7-9 years. But having been around alcoholics, may be that doesn't change anything. 

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